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asciilifeform: i dunno why mircea_popescu is defending a figure that came from wholly arbitrary, rather than natural, constraint ( 'what is fast on a uniprocessor x86 box' == 4096 )
mircea_popescu: now, the above is an opinion you or anyone is welcome to hold, like any other opinion. i however don't hold it.
asciilifeform: sorta why i put the effort into crafting a demonstrably bug-free constantimetron, first thing, rather than 'let's use gnu gmp with massive keyz'
mircea_popescu: by encrypting "hola bro" to alf's key and getting $result, i now know a novel fact about alf's key!
asciilifeform: ( though i will nitpick, and point out that the exponentiations are ~always~ done modularly , otherwise universe not bigenuff )
asciilifeform: i'll rephrase -- no one has proven that publishing an rsa sig does not leak >0 info re key.
mircea_popescu: this is the wrong side of the exponential and i dun wanna eat it.
mircea_popescu: in exchange you get two things : you get 2x the size of message blocks (an advantage that is actually a disadvantage as now you're using 1kb udp packets which is i expect margionalkly worse than 2 512s) ; and you get a harder rsa (an advantage which is no sort of advantage, the 4096 rsa is already harder than the extant universe)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698842 << aha. i expect stalin is rolling in grave and mao is looking dourly on. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: trilema item i can't find ;/
mircea_popescu: valica make yourself a pgp key if you don't have one an' register it with deedbot so i don't have to keep voicing oyu
asciilifeform: and i've thought about offering the commented code as dead tree for aficionados
mircea_popescu: problem is large section of pop doesn't know, i guess.
asciilifeform: the q of 'what am i paying this idiot to mumble at me for, then, i already knew where mains socket is' never seems to come up in victim's head
mircea_popescu: "you wouldn't download a car ?" "why not ?!?!" "because nobody made one" "oh... i guess gotta wait then."
mircea_popescu: it's mindboggling, you know ? "run openssl" "and if i don't have it ?" "download it then!" "And if i'm on a deserted island ?" "well then you can't crypto!" "sa moara ma-ta ?"
ben_vulpes: now i want fried chicken
mircea_popescu: when i was about six or so, visiting some relatives who had a farm, i discovered a romanian bareneck (kind of chicken) chick drowning in the sty efflux. so i picked it out, and it was a pet for a year or so and then made a great soup. rooster, too. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: no, i want to discern whether the guy is a working mind accidentally stuck in the swamp of nonsense, or actually belongs there.
asciilifeform entertained by the 'we can talk in private' + 'i can't, i don't know you' combo
valica_: i can't. i don't know you
mircea_popescu: valica_ feel free to link this convo to mr. choudary btw. tell him i have some things to say to him.
valica_: i know some math students interested in crypto, one of them worked in a call center
mircea_popescu: i suppose the item rolls back to "i wouldn't teach crypto, i'd have to fix undergrad first, get some kids who can do a fucking lim"
mircea_popescu: we can't talk privately, i don't know you.
mircea_popescu: valica_ i would teach crypto as a graduate level item for the top of the class in math and kids from physics who test in. and nobody else.
mircea_popescu: valica_ i suppose this is a fine approach for orc unis, pay some local a few benjies to sit around with the chitlins while they read wikipedia. it took 20 years to progress from calling it an internet cafe to calling it a "lab"
trinque: I'm sure the jimmy buffet nazis will stop them, lobbes
valica_: i am studying security
valica_: school's over :) i am just reading on my own
mircea_popescu: i don't.
valica_: i am a reader of trilema
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 14:22 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698796 << i assumed he was speaking of socialisms as a whole
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698835 << no, i am certain he is specifically NOT speaking of socialism, but strictly of stalin. ie, "socialism would have worked if only" argument implied. ☝︎
asciilifeform: so far all i see of subj is 'unknown derp , switched to tor, NOW HE'LL SHOW'EM ' etc
asciilifeform: if there were some ameritards that DIDN'T sum to 0, from waco to oregon to fuckingbmore to wherever -- i'd like to hear about this
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm not sold on the 2^n thing as of yet -- it doesn't seem to win at all, other than (possibly) on readability
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: do you have a link to the pantsuit dns-dekulakization of the 'alt right' people ? i can't be arsed to wade through the sewers to find the orig subj << Here's one https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/shunned-by-godaddy-and-google-racist-daily-stormer-moves-to-russian-domain/
mod6: make sense. i personally kinda like the idea that a user can generate a key, that must be 2^n, that is all.
asciilifeform: mod6: i have no intention of introducing magicnumberism .
asciilifeform: mod6: i'm partial to 8192.
mod6: right. i recall.
asciilifeform: and i've found gprof entirely useless in answering the q of why.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you have a link to the pantsuit dns-dekulakization of the 'alt right' people ? i can't be arsed to wade through the sewers to find the orig subj
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 07:49 mircea_popescu: i expect the probloem with "nazi" is cachet. so much hurr durr-ing has been invested into the whole "nazi=bad" that the "nazi=important" angle is bound to be used by some schmuck trying to "make it up there fast".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698796 << i assumed he was speaking of socialisms as a whole ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i guess,\
mircea_popescu: i expect the probloem with "nazi" is cachet. so much hurr durr-ing has been invested into the whole "nazi=bad" that the "nazi=important" angle is bound to be used by some schmuck trying to "make it up there fast". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: now i'm re-reading alf's curation of naggum, and the last item there is...
BingoBoingo: Seriously though, the motherfuckers will do the whole "I r dissident" song and dance, playing into the USG cartoon image of Nazis. BUT they refuse to extricate themselves from Actual Spyops like Coinbase.
mircea_popescu: for the same money as confusing bitcoin and usglade i might confuse andrew anglin for michael moore.
mircea_popescu: use coinbase, derp about bitcoin. then i'm supposed to distinguish these yokels from any other yokels because why the fuck, their mommy dropped them on their head in a very special way or something ?
mod6: ubuntu and it's hanging chads, i know the pain.
mod6: ok, well feel free to reach out to me when you're ready to try again, even if not today. i'll be here.
mike_c: so now I burn this server to the ground and start over. ☟︎
mike_c: there's a bunch of stuff in there. I'll just grab the .asc though.
mike_c: should i just make ONLINE=1 again?
mod6: you can try, but it may not help. i'd suggest starting clean from a failed build.
mod6: i think you can check in /etc/alternatives or whatever, to ensure there are no links or nothing to gcc5.
mod6: let me know before you try to rebuild, i'd like to walk you through flushing the tubs.
mike_c: apt remove gcc-5 << ran successfully. i'll try again
mike_c: but this did tons more. I'm going to go ahead and say gcc5 is no good for this (at least on out-of-the-box ubuntu)
mike_c: ./toolchain/usr/include/ncurses -O2 -I/var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/build/buildroot-2015.05/output/../../toolchain/usr/include --param max-inline-insns-single=1200 -fPIC -c ../ncurses/lib_gen.c -o ../obj_s/lib_gen.o
mod6: ok. can you paste the error. i'll help you now if you have time, or we can try tomorrow (whenever) you have more.
mod6: if this doesn't work, i'll just help you step-by-step myself. no worries.
mod6: for the record, i don't have that in my builds either, ignore that mike_c ☟︎
mike_c: yeah, what I pasted.
mike_c: i don't want it to jinx it. not done yet. but it seems to be working much better.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 02:53 phf: so i've no idea if it even builds outside of buildroot anymore, but judging by
trinque: correct, meant to say that if he wanted to skip all that, could by going there. I may have misunderstood.
phf: but i don't think that's the one he's using, if he's building with rotor.. that whole new build infrastructure seems to exist apart.
phf: trinque: possibly my thing is not pressing correctly, i don't see it here http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/
asciilifeform: the buildroot (aka 'rotor') thing is a dour wartime expedient, in case anyone forgot -- if we had a musltronic linux, or a bsd (i.e. non-glibc os) it would be unnecessary
mod6: we never did resolve what it was. and strangely, i've never seen it before. im perplexed.
mike_c: i mean, i used your perl script
phf: so i've no idea if it even builds outside of buildroot anymore, but judging by ☟︎
mike_c: i'll roll back
mod6: make sure to use gcc4, i've seen problems myself with gcc5
mike_c: yeah, no luck yet. that's what i get for spinning up an ubuntu server out of laziness probably.
phf: mike_c: i had it working with pretty much everything, gcc4, gcc5, clang/llvm. when i build manually i just use dependencies that whatever local package gives me, at which point make Just Works
mike_c: blech, i guess make is more likely culprit. it's calling "c ..." instead of "gcc ..."
mod6: <+mike_c> oh. yeah. ffs, why was i following offline todo. << aha, the ONLINE version is certainly less work
mircea_popescu: gah i fucking hate lapses
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the fine synonym for epheb we were using at some point re the herdemocracy aparatchicks ? i'd like to revive it.
mircea_popescu: so in other random lulz, i just built a pulse checker out of this ten cent girly hairpiece. it's about 20cm long, and basically a chinese plastic spiral with teeth. if you hold it up,. one hand on each edge, and prop your elbows against your thorax it vibrates with the pulse vehehery visibly.
asciilifeform: i dun quite get how come that muppet is still in circulation. i'd naively imagine that he's spent
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 16:23 shinohai: Charlie Shrem on twatter: "Bounty: I want to run a full node and connect to @Blockstream satellite. Sell me a DIY kit with all requirements"
phf: i think that's re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698201 ☝︎
phf: there's also the mod6 method that builds the whole thing for you, but i haven't tried that since before i wrote own v presser..
mike_c: oh. yeah. ffs, why was i following offline todo.
phf: actually i've no idea what you're talking about, but considering "seals" i assumed it's trb
mike_c: guess i need to grepcut this thing
mike_c: good god. I downloaded these patches one by one, but there's about a million seals.
mike_c: train sucked, but dinner was good. I'll take it.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 23:33 mircea_popescu: dun seem to be an en variant and yet i vaguely recall one.
mircea_popescu: dun seem to be an en variant and yet i vaguely recall one. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: what else are these halfwits born-ready for ? besides "everything" i mean./
mircea_popescu: was pretty good in ro, i thought.
asciilifeform: or maybe i read it in ro, i faghet
mircea_popescu: i totally should translate that "chinese dissident" article sometime.