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asciilifeform: i dun think it even makes sense to think of the problem in terms of 'write a new ada' tho. the way i see ada, is as a junkyard wars workaround against the retardation of pc arch, where pointerolade, overflowable arrays, etc. if you had a sane arch, you could program in moar or less whatever you want (e.g on bolix, ada, fortran, c, lisp, were implemented as simply skins around the arch, and all shared in the nonoverflowability etc )
mircea_popescu: there can never be such a thing as an ada machine.
diana_coman: ofc: pragma Import(C, OS_exit, "__gnat_os_exit") and same for abort for that matter; so pretty much as above: to kill, call in C
mircea_popescu: shinohai just because a buncha kids take 2-3 ppm of hash and play with it, by cutting it into as many various boxes with labels on them (which are now "things" dontchaknow) as the square of the kiddypool headcount mean nothing. that's how industry works, back when the parents were atthe foundry making nails, kiddies had bits and segments of nails in all the pockets to play with.
mircea_popescu: (spoiler -- it crashes just as much as the newer ones, damned thing was never stable in its existence)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i hesitate to point to anyffin as 'yes, browser', atm.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 20:15 mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish to import x and then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of the femstate ilk. i wish to import x in such a way as to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:44 phf: if you simply load an x app, attach it to root, and start grabbing all the events then you can come to same conclusion as any random chick with a blog "omg all teh events"
mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish to import x and then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of the femstate ilk. i wish to import x in such a way as to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: as seen on e.g. rk
mircea_popescu: "this one crash that only happens twice every third saturday when running postgres on cuntoo in x mode with y switch doing z task" is still catastrophic, as these things go.
mircea_popescu: i guess so. though, as you well pointed out, "gentoo" doesn't mean anything, and adding "vintage" or "traditional" dun fix this.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/macronist-forces-continue-maiming-french-population-as-yellow-jacket-has-hand-taken-from-him/ << Qntra -- Macronist Forces Continue Maiming French Population As Yellow Jacket Has Hand Taken From Him
mircea_popescu: login/create new article/insert pics/publish/check pending comments/approve/mark as spam sorta thing.
hanbot: well my failed attempt isn't known to have anything to do with cuntoo, as i didn't touch it yet.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/cuntoo-a-linux-that-sucks-less.html <<< I will mention that the USB version won't boot yet, only useful as chroot device.
mircea_popescu: mod6 as a rule of thumb, a thing whatever it may be that took over a coupla hours of your time's ripe for blog article by the very nature of life expectancy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno about you, but i am fucking suspicious as all hell of all these "here's our matrix dot printer, to use it here's the matrix dot printer program".
asciilifeform: what i thought hanbot was going to do, is to attempt trinque's recipe using BingoBoingo's beachhead stick . then BingoBoingo's fossil gentoo can be pressed into service as standard beachhead, while such thing still needed.
mircea_popescu: thinking about http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894351 / http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894364 it seems to me that we've created this situation where at the same time a) there's no real purpose to still looking at heathen gentoo as anything more than crap but also b) there's not very clearly delineated "use this prepackaged thing" (nor is a all that clearly communicated). ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: i'd prefer to get the rk plant onto a working cuntoo as soon as it becomes practical.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as i understand, then would need a ~third~ disk for cuntoo.
asciilifeform: seems to me from the article that hanbot went to setup up a ~traditional~ gentoo 1st, which as i understand isn't actually needed ( machine already booted into 1 )
asciilifeform: the provided box is already running a trad gentoo; theoretically should suffice for bringing up cuntoo, as i understand
mircea_popescu: "I, when feeling like whistling, whistle", and not the atrocious barbarism it's marketed as.
BingoBoingo: Aftertaste they accurately describe as hash. For effect they mention NOTHING at all about my crank case full of strawberry cosby.
BingoBoingo: The mission, as I see it, is to find an antidote. The high times promises this antidote is a partial agonist they call CBD>
nicoleci: as they say, dont get high off of your own supply
BingoBoingo: And apparently is in all the "creative flower" as reconstructed by "justus todd Raveneirs"
BingoBoingo: Anyways, as a partial agonist CBD, should your flower have it caps how high the high is
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: asciilifeform looks the same as he always does when he isn't wearing his special customs clearing outfit
mircea_popescu: anyway, im guessing after this spirited bout of dank posting, bb will be forever known as bimboboingo
BingoBoingo: WoT is a thing. I have my doubts asciilifeform will find this tangent without quality as I took him to the Tres Cruses national bus terminal and shopping for ice cream and shade en route to the store that sells cables.
BingoBoingo: My hometown to this day exports transformers and high voltage switches though from one as opposed to three firms it once did
BingoBoingo: The highest standards I encountered were at SIU, but what they wanted was the most retarded. Mizzou was in the middle as far as being in the middle of retardedness of desired spew and volume. McK was at the bottom for lack of discernable standards.
BingoBoingo: As mentioned in the logs SIU Philosophy department has been more than gutted by their naive standards, more cuts to come.
BingoBoingo: trinque: They had a chance until they refused me for the referance librarian position 2012-2017 advertised annually as 'entry level'
trinque: BingoBoingo: isn't as though I don't appreciate the "subject me to something why don't you!!!" urge. was discussing this earlier in the shop.
BingoBoingo: trinque: I've chopped peppers as well. The difference is concentration. Goes back to the cannabis threads.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: same func as of the 'bascule' in guillotine, aha
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: think of it as the mercaptan that gets added to naturalgas. it aint meant to enhance the smelling experience, quite opposite.
asciilifeform: novocain would work just as well for the job
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I recall at some time before the Uruguay adventure suggesting southern illinois as a lower cost basis sticks
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894007 << far out of budget, may as well be uboat ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Mocky: That's about 27% of Qntra spam as measured by eyeballs
BingoBoingo: About as relevant as a national campaign rally in Idaho would be if the US didn't have the electoral college.
mircea_popescu: the "bitch, did anyone ask yo dum'ass anything ?" fundamental question still unanswered. and unanswered shall it stay, for as long as "participation" is "a value" etc.
Mocky: BingoBoingo: ah yes, i remember reading as much in the logs
BingoBoingo: Well, think of it as them giving you a condom
BingoBoingo: 10. You should never call partner representatives as boul dracului or t�mpitu\' ala." << Gem
mircea_popescu: i confess i like it, as expression, but it also grates me. deeper understanding is not generally "more advanced" in the sense of, "sits atop larger pyramid", but generally in the sense of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884426 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: may be schwartz ? but as a bonus : http://trilema.com/2010/voi-nu-meritati-respect/#selection-41.0-41.597 hory shit, 100% costa rica's heredia-alajuela axis!
asciilifeform: 'identifies similars as idempotents'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893832 << might as well mock linkedin's "protections", neh. https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E03AQFpUoy6Vdur9Q/profile-displayphoto-shrink_800_800/0?e=1554940800&v=beta&t=ucyjKOxSqYUjgPSTsLkHvOUZlH3ErYItoPcikRklugc << ☝︎
mircea_popescu: nobody even fucking knows such a thing as "laura stone" even existed, except for romanians old enough to recall the 90s.
mircea_popescu: (i know it sounds ridoinculous, but obscure starlet took job to do some show or other in ro and as a result ended up hounded by ~all males, including the "finance minister" (a "technocratic expert" bla bla etcetera), the star soccer player, the star tennis player / chief bisnitar etc.
mircea_popescu: t went, "dear employees, please do not refer to the hr vp as 'nefututa aia'" and so following to exhaustion.
diana_coman: but the whole thing here was more about what completing the job means - which so far is not defined and at any rate it's defined with the Job, not with the worker as it were; anyway, I stumbled on this just as part of usual "poke new things around in all directions"
diana_coman: sure, as the code shows there is no infinite loop anyway yes; workers will wait on Get_Job and that's pretty much
asciilifeform: for extra lulz, asciilifeform's brother introduced the red button to him as 'эникей' , and for yrs later thought this, 'ha, programmers sadistically exhort green n00b to reset cpu'
asciilifeform: btw in re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893771 , ye olde dos, for all of its virtues, is possibly worst example, when you run yer proggy there, os loses all control, you may as well have booted straight into yer proggy without any os ☝︎
asciilifeform: pretty sure you can get at the underlying pthread and term it, if you gotta. just like you can get at raw c ptrs , as illustrated in e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/udp_genesis . my observation aint 'shuddyp and suck, lang tied yer hands for yer own good' but 'if your proggy is actually correct, you won't find yerself ~having~ to individually scalpel out threads'
mircea_popescu: there can not be such a thing as a language that infringes the father's priviledge.
mircea_popescu: the only possible basis for society, human as well as computer, is "all sons live exactly as long as father permits them, and no longer."
mircea_popescu: if someone shuts down some procedure i didn't want shut down, i'll find them and kill them. and meanwhile, i can't have gord eating my sandwiches as a 28 yo "man".
asciilifeform: so it's same 'so' as 'hey i'll follow a dangling pointer if i damn well please, so'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you permit asynchronous killing of thread, ~any~ part of your proggy could conceivably end up as that N, you have nfi what that thing was doing when you shot it
mircea_popescu: of course, education, esp common trunk education, dun include anything as modern as support for this non-1800s approach.
mircea_popescu: or whether the cows carry it as defense miasma.
mircea_popescu: yeah, say, i was watching some oliver stone flicks (as part of an aborted integral, jesus that guy sucks, and the 70s suck with him) and in one of them lester (of cucking de niro in casino fame) was a very poor reporter going to san salvador to report on the 1970s maduro thing there (which btw -- last i heard still ongoing).
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it might tickle you to find that while the mountain lion (aka, puma) is a species of "least concern" (ie, in the pantsuit designator of animal concern trolling, they figure as "excluded") nevertheless the pantsuit comfortably living off other people's income in and around los angeles are "advising" "the town" on how to "improve genetic diversity" in the "fragmented" populations.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893662 << as i currently understand, it will be whatever the pthread overhead is on the given linux ☝︎
diana_coman: hm, you mean the overhead at creating the job itself then (as that's the object that gets bigger to elaborate)
diana_coman: re workers and specialisation: the worker tasks are not specialised, they do whatever job they are given and moreover the choice is made by job type as it were
diana_coman: asciilifeform, one could certainly keep at all times 64 worker threads idling and waiting for jobs; initially I had implemented it precisely as such: all it takes is to accept a Get_Job request only when there IS a job to hand out; it adds a bit of complexity in there though because there has to be a flag for "available job" and then it has to be kept up to date correctly (which can be a bit tricky as it's not only when a job is added, it'
mircea_popescu: famously, a hungarian was defined cca 1890s, as that species of moron who would rather eat soap wrapped in paper painted his coutnry's flag than french cheese in a plain wrapper.
asciilifeform: amerisads forgot long ago how to make even such thing as electric motor.
mircea_popescu: the us could be producing supermagnets out of discarded starbucks cups just as well as it makes "bridges" or "college graduates" or whatever else they supposedly make.
mircea_popescu: in fact, pressed shitboard supermagnet just as likely as 3d-printed quantum computer or whatever the fuck else. they get all the amateur twerps to pretend like pressed shitboard made houses are 100% true and real houses, what's keeping the imaginary magnets and imaginary computers i wish to know ?
asciilifeform: the rocket pilots specifically looked as if intended to suggest this thought.
asciilifeform: i dun think i had a woman-spider single-mold tentaclerape scene as toy. ( maybe in jp they do ? )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893553 << as a very small boy, asciilifeform had this toy, where little rocket with two plastic cosmonauts inside, and they were molded in such a way that they only had torso/arms/head, were whole with the cockpit; and took it, as 3-4y.o. might, quite literally, 'in the dark fyootoor man will be grown into ship, live an' die together' ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( as i understand, it could only happen if there is catastrophic error in the logic ? )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/07/seppuku-job-market-minimal-dynamic-tasking-in-ada/#selection-139.9098-139.9968 << dun seem like diana_coman's mechanism specialized by creating different 'species' of 'worker' -- but by using case selector, as i expected it would. therefore it remains a puzzle to me why to terminate an' rebirth'em ( to save a few kB of ram when machine load is light ?? )
mircea_popescu: it is most wise to start restricted and push out as need be, no sooner.
mircea_popescu: i find apache an excellent model for the problem here. the concept of "worker" as used there specifically.
diana_coman: I'll add to gargauni, goange and barzauni the "fluturi" as one might have those too!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho oughta formulate as ' $machine ; $interval ; $ cost '
asciilifeform: it develops as the odometer rolls.
asciilifeform: arguably both asciilifeform & brother had 'too much screen' , given as both grew to program for bread, life of sin.
asciilifeform didnt have 'restriction' as such, but when was single-digit y.o. shared what was left of the day's cpu after brother had eaten
mircea_popescu: (i am right in thinking the "move just as it approaches so it turns around" trick is common knowledge yes ?)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman not as long as you think, i recall the same exact summer i went from fearing the forks in june to playing with them for sport in august.
asciilifeform: i played good chunk of those back when was same size as him and at elder brother's mercy for cpu cycles, lol, also
mircea_popescu: 0.01 bitcoin, also known as a titspot.
mircea_popescu: can just as well eat something else off plate.\
asciilifeform: in other cuntooisms : if anyone is short a x64 box to test-fire cuntoo with, asciilifeform has a surplus disposable box, 'lenovo s10-3' , with that same chipset as in x60 etc period ( https://archive.is/Dny84 ) , if anyone in l1 wants, it's yours for the cost of postage ( has a mechanical hdd in it, i fughet of what size ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: meanwhile, as BingoBoingo marches to the magick cellar, today's trilemalotto yields : http://trilema.com/2014/the-finfisherfinspy-story-for-posterity/
BingoBoingo: I've made a new stick off of what Gentoo.org advertises as a "2012" build, but Gentoo.org isn't in my WOT.
BingoBoingo: On the other hand my technical director is buried in work, Republican and Saecular. The boot drive we had been using to stand up boxes infrequently as we have... this box doesn't want to boot to. I would like to offer as pleasant an environment as possible for the customer's experiment, and for that... I suspect any old Debian will not do. The more time they have to do their experiment and the less they spend making the environment