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mircea_popescu: it'll render fine in lynx and on html browser too, you lose out on pixel alligns and sizes and things, but what can you do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i actually started with that. and tempted to return to it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're happy with fixwidth font and "works in terminal" i also don't see your problem, wrap in <pre> tags and so something like http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4NHpp/?raw=true ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you're in the swamp of perdition over there,\
asciilifeform: ( used 'longstroke' uniturd, which incidentally lynx Does Right Thing with and turns into multiple short - )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the speciffic items discussed are not possible to render alphabetically, and for the reasons stated : fraction lines are not a character etc.
asciilifeform: 'but hey we have smiling turd glyphs nao!'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a 'mathsml' thing, but seems to require js, browsers briefly had and then dropped support
mircea_popescu: though there was a lulzy "extended" keyset back in the 80s to "do it". failed also.
asciilifeform: i'd like to show that moderately maffs-heavy bl0gps0t is possible without bitmapism, possibly bridge too far
mircea_popescu: im not aware there's a way to make terminal-html-math. not even tex does that.
asciilifeform: otherwise prolly would've thrown in the towel and gone to bitmapped latex outputs
asciilifeform: i was going for 'keeps being readable in lynx like the prev chapters'
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise what you want was "some kind of notation that works in terminal and gui equally".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879722 variant actually displays in terminal ( sans the 'floor' ), try it ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would this work in terminal ? it's supposed to be a html thing, graphical browser.
asciilifeform: as for the parens, floor, etc, ugh, i dun want'em wide, i want'em ~tall~
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it turns to rubbish in 'lynx'
BingoBoingo: Also there's the S.MG testing server currently billed monthly, how long term are you thinking with http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-november-2018-statement/#footnote_0_81604
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asciilifeform: came up entirely empty when looked for how to make the parens appropriate height tho.
asciilifeform: i considered to use ansi drawing chars for the floor, that'd prolly do it
asciilifeform: i'm not in terrible hurry
mircea_popescu: ima fix it for you, but it will take longert than a moment because ima take the opportunity to write trilema article explain how to use html for maffs.
asciilifeform: or, hrm, still loses the floor()
asciilifeform: considered svg. but text-based browsers afaik dun eat it.
trinque: eh, not like I'm *recommending* it, but do you have something that'll grunt out an SVG?
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , trinque , bvt , any serious wwwists in audience, plox to chime in ^
asciilifeform: ( before suggest 'mathml' -- asciilifeform dun have a browser which displays it, and suspects that nobody here does either )
asciilifeform: if anybody knows how to make these prettier without resorting to bitmapisms or javascript, or ~anything~ platformistic, plox to write in
asciilifeform: so tryin' to stick as close as can be to plain ascii, as seen in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2753#selection-1213.75-1299.2
asciilifeform: i refuse to use bitmaps for the matholade in ffa, cuz retarded ( not searchable + looks like shit on 3 out of 4 people's displays no matter what you do )
asciilifeform currently in a bout of rage re the retardation of html, where formatting a kindergarten-level equation takes hrs and still dun satisfy
trinque: I'll admit it was a knee-jerk reaction to the zombie bioreactor. Possibly there are much better ways to shut it down.
mircea_popescu: never did, no. tho during wartime romania it was THE luxury.
asciilifeform: ( likbez : man is the only known reservoir. and spread in shit. prior to mid 20th c, vanishingly rare, cuz damn near errybody inoculated through exposure to ~some~ liquishit in water. then suddenly ~0 shit-eating, among the industrial city folx, and thing appears on epidemiological map )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-11 17:06 trinque: where is the environmentalist outcry for nuking the congo, I ask.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not reading all that, but i also don't believe i need to.
mircea_popescu: chicks as white as the http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/#selection-77.0-77.504 wonder.
mircea_popescu: o look, it's raining these now. check this one out : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dY5we/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck ?!
mircea_popescu: because totally, that's what i'm going to spend my resources on. passing tests the females came up with.
mircea_popescu: yeah, right, "how will females test for fitness", i gotta wear italian pagliacci pointed shoes and generally http://trilema.com/2016/the-%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%81-bdsm-party/#footnote_0_68337
asciilifeform: 'how will we test for idiocy then'
asciilifeform: i've spoken with jp folk, they see the notion as roughly similar to how anglos see orlol's phonetic alphabet thing
asciilifeform: jp could cancel hieroglyphs tonight, if (dunno) emperor is put back on throne and wants to peter-the-great.
asciilifeform: so it's rather different situation than cn, which actually escaped inventing alphabet for 5000yrs
asciilifeform: for e.g. children's books, they already encode in 100% 46.
mircea_popescu: well, what are we talking about ? "that they could have" ? of fucking course could have.
asciilifeform: but for text entry they have hiragana kbd, given as 100% of lang can be coded in it, the hieroglyph desk-sized lolkeyboard of 1900s fame vanished with introduction of microcomp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 'standard' jp, they use hiragana as adjunct to the sadglyphs, yes
asciilifeform: mcarthur tried to ban hieroglyphs, it went nowhere, sorta how peter I was able to cut the 30 redundant greek chars from ru alphabet, but still left 6 or so turds
mircea_popescu: i dunno, afaik it's how they write particles and things, but as an aid to the idiotic uselesness of "proper" writing, not by itself.
asciilifeform: but 'wouldn't do, not for troo scholar' (tm)
asciilifeform: freestanding. one can write the whole lang in it.
mircea_popescu: afaik that's not free stganding
asciilifeform: they 'fixed' in the 9th century . problem as usual is the entrenched mass of 'i had to hieroglyph, so let the son also'
asciilifeform has the kbd even.
mircea_popescu: "nothing else you do right can ever fix that one thing you did wrong. nothing."
mircea_popescu: they ~deserved~ the wiping out by confederacy of proper alphabet dunces. to make the point forever fucking plain -- IF YOU UNICODE, you will die for it.
asciilifeform: but so far only managed to cut down the stroke #
mircea_popescu: any alphabet > octetsize is broken by that very fact.
asciilifeform: they have not 1 but ~2~ working alphabets. and repeatedly tried to phase out hieros, most recently under mcarthur
mircea_popescu: imagine if they didn't end up with broken alphabet, like morons.
asciilifeform not entirely unbiased observer, somewhat of jp aficionado for many yrs, tho grasp of lang is still on ~1st-grader level
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough though, to the same sort of casual examination that passes semites (eg, jews) for "white", japanese also pass.
mircea_popescu: japan is certainly reserved case of non-white white men. toyota 1970s takeover of auto industry imo even better example than their (certainly present, and certainly respectable 1880-1920 marine innovations)
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 00:38 asciilifeform: jp was a hair's width away from picking up the torch that anglotardistan dropped, and anglos knew this, and so in late '80s they engineered an economic implosion for'em
asciilifeform: ( and then ~replay~, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876942 ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: jp (1890-1945) was arguably better example. went from 'wooden civ' to, e.g., world's biggest+fastest battleship, h2o2-powered submarine, all sortsa goodies that quite solidly demonstrated 'yes first copied, then grasped, white man's tech' , until nailed by confederacy of anglodunces
mircea_popescu: "what if" is not statically typed.
mircea_popescu: and more generally, this "if birds were clouds, there'd be winds of shit" type of argument in insescapable.
asciilifeform: i'm unequipped to say whether cn 'understood nuke', but the apparent total absence of indigenous cpu arch does tell tales
asciilifeform: that there's actually the best evidence for mircea_popescu's version
mircea_popescu: the difference is markedly there.
asciilifeform: btw funnily enuff , the 'germans who sailed' ended up having to copy the (droppable) fusion n00k, rather than vice versa.
mircea_popescu: russkis understood what it is they;'re copying and why. chinese -- neve rdid. in this sense, chinese copied nuke like russians copied ics. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: then ~group~ of wanna-be german rus' tribe copied the item. AS A GROUP.
mircea_popescu: see, here's how it is : two white man tribes, consisting of "the germans that stayed home" and "the germans that went over ocean" finally got together and built nuke, at the time highest mankind achievement.
asciilifeform: devil is always in the implementation details.
asciilifeform: by same token as ru nuke is ameri-copy
asciilifeform: tho i'll point out that cn nuke is half century old.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure there's 500000 teenaged boys all over nation of africa having "alt mp". heck, nicoleci found one.
mircea_popescu: i am not talking "Bee nuke". i am talking nuke, the actual physical item as reality permits.
asciilifeform: ants prolly not, but for all i know, ~bees~ do. ( 'mysterious' fungus wiping out colonies could very well be 'bee nuke', spread 'deliberately', supposing they could... )
mircea_popescu: but these'd not be sirens. see, this is the problem, we're not talking "lone mystical creature". if ants had nuclear weapons, ants or no ants we'd have found out by now.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 20:21 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855078 << trickier item. recall 'the song of the sirens, some have escaped, but their silence -- no one' . how to deal with 'but ~was~ it in the l0gz'.
mircea_popescu: seems to be an alternative theory pretty badly handicapped by available data/experience.
mircea_popescu: "it's not nuclear force, it's phlogiston i'm telling you" ?
mircea_popescu: isn't this by now a sort of "evolution never happened" ?
asciilifeform: yet they're reading.
mircea_popescu: none of these 50x population feel pete_d-like enough to come here and daze us with their stolen fare ?
asciilifeform: all i can add , is that i get a coupla MB of phuctor traffic from cn on a typical day.
mircea_popescu: yet there WAS a guy translating trilema for his chinese friends
asciilifeform: hieroglyphosphere is pretty opaque to the unarmed euro eye.