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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform plenty of things, gimme a moment here.
asciilifeform: ( i dun see any reason for a standard exponent, for instance. let it be a W-wide prime , different for each man )
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah. more like a scratchpad than anything yet.
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, it's been a while.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima try and pen a pre-rfc on tmsr-rsa, unless anyone has objections ?
mircea_popescu: plenty of programs output a boolean.
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit upstack, imho a program which weighs more than its output, has a fundamental problem
mircea_popescu: but i would have thrown frege against a wall had he "impossible" something i oculd trivially disprove.
asciilifeform: i bet mircea_popescu had a riot reading russel & whitehead , 'idjits, taking 1500 pgs to prove 1+1=2, which i know to be so'
phf: could have a monk of saint ascii life form memorize primes by heart to the 1'000'000th one, referred to by the other monks when primes are required. "please, brother joseph, we need primes #5002 to #5040"
mircea_popescu: it's certainly possible. i know the list "3, 5, 7, 11" is a list of primes through memory.
asciilifeform: this is true. but my original point was that it is impossible to verify the correctness of a list of primes other than by same procedure as generates one.
asciilifeform: ^ is a slightly modified version of what lobbes posted. it gives the correct answer, even
asciilifeform: let's play a little game : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/En1cj/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698279 << it has the significant advantage that it bridges into unrelated record. if your result diverges from the result, you now have a grounded suspicion re the source of whatever list you used. ☝︎
mod6: In that case, I have a bit more simplified version of mine that more closely resembles what I started with before.
mircea_popescu: in other words, the republican model significantly reduces costs and, incredibly enough, introduces a new revenue stream.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698273 << verification happens through coherence. if one man writes one program to do one calculation, that man must check that a) his implementation is correct and b) his design actually does take from input to output if correctly implemented. if however the lordship writes a dozen+ programs to do the same calculation, no one man needs to verify either a or b for his own item UNLESS there's ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 18:44 lobbes: Interesting seeing teh different approaches. Instead of primality test, I just iterated through a static list/array of primes (I figure that list ain't changing anytime soon). Here's my potato code: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X0jSt/?raw=true
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: mod6: the three snippets are a pretty good, imho, intro course to 'you can have a useful, statically-compiled lang without promiscuous pointers'
asciilifeform: i.e. 'this dun happen to folx with a working immune system'
PeterL: try this: print a list of the primes up to 100 or 1000, remove one at random, then try to spot which is missing just by looking at the list
lobbes: True. Plus if someday I need a bigger list, then I gotta go editing hardcoded lists vs just flipping a parameter somewhere
asciilifeform: see also the thread with mod6 re the q of 'what is a readable proggy'
lobbes: Interesting seeing teh different approaches. Instead of primality test, I just iterated through a static list/array of primes (I figure that list ain't changing anytime soon). Here's my potato code: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X0jSt/?raw=true ☟︎
PeterL: it's a basic brute force primality test, what is wrong with it?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 16:36 mircea_popescu: it's a minute, what.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698240 << about a minute to write function, about 40 ms to evaluate ☝︎
shinohai: 13:40:00 @gmaxwell (also for sending out transactions people can use many other options, including SMS and snail mail--- a txn is so small you can just communicate it however else you communicate. Snail mail is slow, but if you're only communicating with the outside world via that already...)
asciilifeform: mod6: amusingly, if you ~did~ have a big enough and old enough universe to contain primorial(2**4096), you could factor, e.g., mircea_popescu's key, in polynomial time, with plain old gcd
mircea_popescu: it's a minute, what. ☟︎
mod6: this primorial thing is gonna run for a while eh
mircea_popescu: i'm tal;king of the nobodies on a stick herp0derping importantly
asciilifeform: in so far as publicity stunts go, this isn't even preposterously expensive -- anyone can rent a MHz or so of channel
mircea_popescu: cuz that's what the fucking wheel is, a REQUIREMENT. like totally optional.
mircea_popescu: present tense is merely a political requirement in the vein of "subway hero must be not white"
shinohai: He missed a lot of teh logs in prison!
mircea_popescu: he STILL doesn't know how to run a node ? after all this fucking time ?
shinohai: Charlie Shrem on twatter: "Bounty: I want to run a full node and connect to @Blockstream satellite. Sell me a DIY kit with all requirements" ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: shinohai hey, the forum is a high bar.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698171 << this is a little rich. ☝︎
mod6: a topic for further discussion i suppose.
mod6: ah, ok. so you gotta add a subtype for that.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "the taking of pelham 123" is one helluva usg-film offering. we find that "wall street guys" r criminalz, that everyday mta riders are heroic (even if a little half-breed), and all sorts of good and valuable citizenship lessons for life!
ben_vulpes: oh subject of, i just had a grand time with rushdie's satanic verses.
mircea_popescu: i suppose a better translation would be "doctor, i hear voices, they talk to me, should i worry ?" "you should worry when you start talking back."
ben_vulpes: aaah. then it was a /personal/ failing, not a systemic one.
asciilifeform: try working through a case where k != j and see what happens.
asciilifeform: this is because in the original, you can have a L of, say, 3
asciilifeform: it can be used as a procedure argument anywhere you could use an array.
asciilifeform: mod6: an array slice ( concept which also exists in common lisp ) can be thought of as a sane man's pointer. i.e. it maps into the original, and writes go through; but it is guaranteed not to spill, out of the original or out of its own more constrained bound
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 02:15 asciilifeform: mod6: you can't inline a recursive invocation, wtf
mod6: maybe i should ask a different question: which part do you find to be less readble?
mod6: just wondering if it could be a mechanical push, yet slightly more readable. maybe making 2^n version more grokable?
ben_vulpes: "the greatest website to ever fit in a single TCP packet"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is the "i just wanted to" right opposed at the "i just wanted to left" removal as being too radical ? after all, they DO "just want to" undisturbed ? or what ? << It seems like there is a mass of confusion in them.
asciilifeform: mod6: you can't inline a recursive call because this'd be logically equiv. to making the program infinitely long
asciilifeform: gcc will give you a very special eggog, even
asciilifeform: mod6: you can't inline a recursive invocation, wtf ☟︎
asciilifeform: mod6: idea with this item, is that L is a power of 2 always. in 'classical' one, L can be anything (e.g. a 192-bit ffa ends up 3*64 on my box, i.e. L=3 )
mod6: as it stands, at the moment, sounds like a mechanical push. with the ability to set the length to some power of two. i'd say it's a bit harder to follow, code-wise, with the recursive calls perhaps.
asciilifeform: at least not from a mechanical pov.
asciilifeform: so it turns out that imposing 'powers of 2' is NOT a win.
asciilifeform: how this can be -- remains a puzzler.
phf: for a second there i thought freenode finally jumped the shark
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697933 << pretty easily. asciilifeform had a bumper wreck in bmore once, passing cop declined to take report, demanded 'who was killed here? if nobody, i have no time for this, and no one else from station will come either' ☝︎
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/14/the-phantom-of-the-opera/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Phantom of the Opera
jhvh1: stormy with a chance of packeting
mircea_popescu: um. "The goal is to turn peaceful protests violent, and spark a Civil War." i don't get it, how is this a bad thing ?
danielpbarron: i did get a pm on tardtalk recently but i didn't log in to read it; just saw the notification email
BingoBoingo: Lol, steemit wants a PHONE NUMBER to post a comment!
shinohai: Sent him a msg, may be lulzy if he shows.
mircea_popescu is persuaded they;d bit flip A FEW TIMES in the process.
shinohai: Some derp on tardstalk linked me to it in a PM ... wouldnt be surprised if he has spammed them to dpb too
mircea_popescu: a better exercise would be if any/all these webexperts actually bothered to sit down and derive their conclusions from prime notions.
asciilifeform: student exercise : write a generator of 'shocking crises coming to bitcoin!!!' crapola
mircea_popescu: some cheap plastic, a lot fo fine print and getting in everyone's way/
mircea_popescu: tea was served in cups on trays. it's ok for tea to come in teabags, what. the trays also included alarm clocks set for whatever minutes a 10-bux-an-hour pinoy randomly put on the mass produced "fair trade" crappy teabags. 6 or 7 or 3 or whatever.
mircea_popescu: some douchebag opened a tea house, with a lot of verbiage about how relaxing and progressive and everything it is, and how it goes in other places and you know, brimming with the imbecile self-satisfaction of the nemtsov.
BingoBoingo: If we have learned anything from the Roger Ver-ified tribe, it is that there is a portion of the idiocy which will stare at the sun, for however long it takes the moon to transit. From this the nags and bags get their power. All it takes is one stuple to set all the nags off.
mircea_popescu: yes, concave mirrors and lenses can blind you. but if the sun itself is a problem then you're a lifefrom from a different planet.
BingoBoingo: Eh, there's probably a difference between eye taking in sunlight and focusing the lens apparatus of the eye directly at the sun.
mircea_popescu: if it were, life would have evolved... A DIFFERENT FUCKING EYE
asciilifeform: this means a node that can speak directly to another.
mircea_popescu: fees not yet enough. give it a coupla halvings.
asciilifeform: it ~would~ be a problem for any would-be defector from cabal
asciilifeform not equipped to say at present how much of a problem
mircea_popescu: not really much of a problem yet, that spoon.
asciilifeform: getting new blox to the transmitter asap would, theoretically, be a schelling point for miners ( all of whom currently 'eat the spoon of shit for free' from withholding chains )
asciilifeform: relatedly, a shortwave ( or even ultralong wave! ) transmitter of genuine ( i.e. best-known-pov ) blox, would be a fine thing
asciilifeform: buncha monkeys, sitting on remnants of massive imperial machinery made by men. and looking for any, any way to leverage'em into a few moar yrs of pushing back the inevitable
asciilifeform: d00dz seem to be physically incapable of grasping a point by induction ( even the skyscrapers , apparently, didn't help... )
mircea_popescu: it's enough to make a point.
asciilifeform: sorta why the balloon thing keeps coming back -- search for a midpoint b/w 'tower' and 'satellite' cost
mircea_popescu: there's a cost to exploration, typified by pandora.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to the general point : satellite comms are a very limited thing, and will definitely go the same way the old roman dinner (ie, fuckfest) went once the medievals discovered syphilis.
mircea_popescu: 2 stage, a 1-200kg booster thing to get it in gross range and a 2-3kg thing to power the last 100 grame spiked ball to the actual satellite
asciilifeform: this in practice is harder than simple sat launch ( the latter is not trying to fly to a specific point in space )
asciilifeform: well needs a kg or so