asciilifeform: does not mean that they are all equivalent.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every complex mechanism is made of simpler ones.

asciilifeform: to round off the crackpottery, 'superlinear' is when the chumps deposit their dough, but afterwards ~go home to get more~, to bring friends, etc. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i.e. every chump gets scammed for whatever pocket change he was going to spend on a flashlight that day

asciilifeform: linear is , e.g., selling 'rabbit' hats made of roadkill, or flashlights which fall apart, or ~100% of what chinese export is, really

asciilifeform: not quite. ( i thought about discussion the difference in the orig chumpatron article, but cut it ) : there are , to borrow from algorithmics, 'linear' and 'superlinear' chumpatrons

asciilifeform: by that token , asciilifeform's 'it crashed' flashlight was same thing, lol

asciilifeform: it ain't a coin scam , it's an umpteenth shit chinesium comp peripheral

asciilifeform: i thought that was a 'store yer password in this-here magic thumbdrive' thing.

asciilifeform: considering that microscopy costs ~= toyota, a circus like that could easily carry on, 'under the radar', for several years.

asciilifeform: picture a chumpatron where 'you gotta have THIS here magic chip to mine...'

asciilifeform: yea but that ain't quite it

asciilifeform: didn't somebody do a hardware shitcoin? i.e. 'you must buy THIS box...'? or did i dream it.

asciilifeform: prettygreat.

asciilifeform: lol 'solidcoin' was a closed binturd?!

asciilifeform: hey recall mircea_popescu's 'proof of tooth' coin.

asciilifeform: https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/7987570.gif << oblig STAKING

asciilifeform: 'In next-generation crypto world there is no more need to use overpriced mining hardware, or take a loan to pay your electricity bill. There is much more efficient and eco friendly way to get FREE coins called STAKING. So you still helping the system verifying transactions and getting your free coins, while using just your personal laptop/ipad or a PC !'

asciilifeform: shinohai: pretty speshul, complete with msword-misformatted 'whitepaper'

asciilifeform: ( oughta be in the logs somewhere )

asciilifeform: i recall it only from mircea_popescu's description.

asciilifeform: oh hah is that what it was.

asciilifeform: ( which, sadly enuff, is not so distant from classical bitcoin's 'noders node at own expense so that miners get payola'... )

asciilifeform: aha, miners mine so that derps get phree payola

asciilifeform: so sorta like the old proof-of-stake nonsense but with 'new' flavour, somehow

asciilifeform: '...When you decide to park your BCI coins you agree to not move your coins until the current round has ended. If you choose to move your BCI coins before the round has ended, you will not receive an interest payment...'

asciilifeform: '...If I was to park 100 BCI coins for the entire duration of the round, and there were a total of 1000 BCI coins parked, then I would receive 10% of the interest pool...'

asciilifeform: coins as our block height increases. This setup will ensure that interest payments are always available for those that choose to participate in parking their BCI coins.'

asciilifeform: 'Every Bitcoin Interest ("BCI") block has two rewards; 12.5 BCI coins are generated for the miners for their participation in solving the block, and an additional 1.08 BCI coin reward is generated and sent to the interest pool to facilitate interest payments. This is achieved through what we call, "Enhanced Proof of Work" using the Equihash algorithm. The interest pool reward will start at 1.08 BCI coins and will decrease to 0.54 BCI

asciilifeform: this is a pretty lulzy crackpotism actually

asciilifeform: shinohai: what's in that last one ? lemme guess, 'pays interest' 'from satoshi's coinz' ?

asciilifeform: which dates back to the long-forgotten era when the mushroom still had hands

asciilifeform: as opposed to , say, the rest of gcc

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'gcc' fork of gnat isn't even a gnu product in the usual sense. as far as i can tell , it is made lock stock and barrel of the adacore gnat , but with some dr.mengele treatments

asciilifeform: not even plain-c gcc.

asciilifeform: none of the extant systems , of ANY kind, have anything resembling a sane bootstrap process.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768383 << this here is the real problem. with ~everything. ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( can be made to work, with a week's worth of hand-holding, on a particular system, for some values of 'particular system' , then will break later when you step on a previously-unknown mine )

asciilifeform: the latter, in so far as i can tell, is ~complete rubbish

asciilifeform: ave1: which 2016 ? adacore's, or gpl ?

asciilifeform: ( recall what passed for a language there )

asciilifeform: they did not afaik have the language thrust

asciilifeform: yea

asciilifeform: greek advantage, as far as i can tell, is 'die reasonably young, leave good-looking corpse'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768313 << approx same 'trying to' as tor. it was exactly same type of pkitronic nonsense, and fooled nobody with even basic degree of literacy ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768306 << it was a kind of tor, i.e. usg-engineered transparent 'tool for opposition' . d00d presumably was showing symptoms of blowing the idiocy up, got nailgunned. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768272 << i suspect that sanskrit is what the end of the 'greek whisks of meaning' road looks like, however. ☝︎

asciilifeform: ah if in that sense then - what i said earlier. performanceart.

asciilifeform: ( the typical low-bit thing , is readily detectable even if you have nfi re the payload )

asciilifeform: would be interesting if there were a way to stuff them bits that isn't screamingly obvious

asciilifeform: and dutifuly collect the pron aha

asciilifeform: iirc they already believe in 'evil jpeg stego everywhere'

asciilifeform: this is not hard to do ( with e.g. the classical 'rewrite the low bits of r,g,b' algo ) but not clear to me what it accomplishes

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: describe roughly what the bot would do

asciilifeform: let's rewind a little

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-31#1357724 << the bare fact. but pretty sure we did a detailed one ☝︎

asciilifeform: !#s stego

asciilifeform digs..

asciilifeform: i couldve sworn we had the thread

asciilifeform: it hides nuffin if known. there exists no 'asymmetric stego'.

asciilifeform: which bit-stuffing scheme ?

asciilifeform: ( for what is open air stego good ? )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as wat, performanceart?

asciilifeform: plox to expand?

asciilifeform: with the 'suggestively named tokens'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768140 << this was the 'natural stupidity and artificial intelligence' thread ☝︎

asciilifeform: oblig alt-orccode: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689141 ☝︎

asciilifeform: phf: i'd actually rather see a resurrected zwei, than ancient cmachine cruft emacs, really

asciilifeform: dunno that rms actually ~did~ anything in past 20+ yr. the man is a living flag. ☟︎

asciilifeform: this is next best thing after ilf & petrov's famous 'cures foot itch, mice, and peeling paint'

asciilifeform: rms is a mushroom nao, tho

asciilifeform: they couldn't embrace&extinguish, so infiltrated and poisoned yea

asciilifeform: as supported as now.

asciilifeform: this is tempting me to excavate ancient emacses..

asciilifeform: phf: i'm curious re the politics of the continuing schism. what do the xemacsits and the orig-emacsists actually disagree on in modern day ?

asciilifeform: imho.

asciilifeform: pc lisps are more or less all revolting to read.

asciilifeform: phf: in all fairness, i barfed trying to read sbcl also

asciilifeform: it wants city pressure

asciilifeform: it's like that mircea_popescu article re running dishwasher from tank water

asciilifeform: i dun see what good any of these do outside of an actual lispm

asciilifeform: it also helps that i dun actually ~like~ emacs. i use it 'через нехочу'

asciilifeform: yea the other 3 asciilifeforms prolly looked, ate nagant

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in detail

asciilifeform: because... it still sucks

asciilifeform: phf: for my enlightenment, what changes ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orig emacs pre-dates rms. goes back into the mists of time.

asciilifeform: phf: metoo actually

asciilifeform: mebbe because it actually works

asciilifeform: what period. emacs today ( genuine emacs, that is ) worx exactly same as 18

asciilifeform: sure?

asciilifeform: e.g. variablewidthfonts , jpeg support, etc

asciilifeform: afaik it was and is 100% dross

asciilifeform: phf: i dunget it, wtf was so lispm about xemacs

asciilifeform: more proximately, kochian ('primeinc') gen will ~never give you the 2nd half of a twinprime pair

asciilifeform: all kindsa weird. ( and not so hard to think of some reasons as to why. )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 2 frenchies, they actually bothered to do a bit of experiment. and found that the 'primeinc' distrib loox nothing like the natural one.

asciilifeform: ( https://eprint.iacr.org/2011/481.pdf )

asciilifeform: istributional biases.'

asciilifeform: found) only consumes roughly as many random bits as the size of the output primes, but we can show that its output distribution, even if it can be shown to have high entropy if the prime r-tuple conjecture holds, is also provably quite far from uniform... It is likely that most algorithms that proceed deterministically beyond an initial random choice, including those of Joye, Paillier and Vaudenay... ...or Maurer... exhibit similar d