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mircea_popescu: in exchange you get two things : you get 2x the size of message blocks (an advantage that is actually a disadvantage as now you're using 1kb udp packets which is i expect margionalkly worse than 2 512s) ; and you get a harder rsa (an advantage which is no sort of advantage, the 4096 rsa is already harder than the extant universe)
mircea_popescu: and specifically re 8192 : if you use that, all the crypto operations take twice as long. this is a certain cost.
mircea_popescu: valica make yourself a pgp key if you don't have one an' register it with deedbot so i don't have to keep voicing oyu
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 14:25 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698804 << cheap and continuous hygiene is a fine alternative to grandiose and very expensive periodic exterminator calls
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698837 << in this, as in all cases. except periodic hygiene means taking woman's baby and crushing its skull against a rock now and again. which is to say : hygiene cost is personal, culling cost is socialized. guess what "individual" "agents" are going to choose ? (support material : ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699000 << fwiw ffa is nearly a self-contained crypto textbook in itself ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "you wouldn't download a car ?" "why not ?!?!" "because nobody made one" "oh... i guess gotta wait then."
mircea_popescu: it's mindboggling, you know ? "run openssl" "and if i don't have it ?" "download it then!" "And if i'm on a deserted island ?" "well then you can't crypto!" "sa moara ma-ta ?"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698962 << asciilifeform once took a course almost exactly like the one described, quit in disgust mid way through ☝︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hey does that one have a face?
a111: 3 results for "a pig like that", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=a%20pig%20like%20that
asciilifeform: !#s a pig like that
mircea_popescu: when i was about six or so, visiting some relatives who had a farm, i discovered a romanian bareneck (kind of chicken) chick drowning in the sty efflux. so i picked it out, and it was a pet for a year or so and then made a great soup. rooster, too. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: no, i want to discern whether the guy is a working mind accidentally stuck in the swamp of nonsense, or actually belongs there.
valica_: i know some math students interested in crypto, one of them worked in a call center
mircea_popescu: i suppose the item rolls back to "i wouldn't teach crypto, i'd have to fix undergrad first, get some kids who can do a fucking lim"
mircea_popescu: valica_ i would teach crypto as a graduate level item for the top of the class in math and kids from physics who test in. and nobody else.
mircea_popescu: (for the lulz record : that coudary fellow actually has a cambridge phd.)
mircea_popescu: valica_ i suppose this is a fine approach for orc unis, pay some local a few benjies to sit around with the chitlins while they read wikipedia. it took 20 years to progress from calling it an internet cafe to calling it a "lab"
lobbes: http://qntra.net/2017/08/alt-left-pantsuits-escalate-symbolically-without-risking-physical-confrontation/ << lol. Durham NC also didn't wanna feel left out. But, instead of waiting for heavy machinery, buncha derps ripped it down with a rope while police watched. (Makes you wonder what these statues were made of) >> https://archive.is/mqxKh
mircea_popescu: they have a crypto programme ? who's doing it ?
valica_: i am a reader of trilema
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 14:22 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698796 << i assumed he was speaking of socialisms as a whole
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 12:09 shinohai: Good morning, #trilema. This is a reminder that all sluts should have their annual asshole sounding performed: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHUIkTwXUAQnj4Q.jpg
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: do you have a link to the pantsuit dns-dekulakization of the 'alt right' people ? i can't be arsed to wade through the sewers to find the orig subj << Here's one https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/shunned-by-godaddy-and-google-racist-daily-stormer-moves-to-russian-domain/
asciilifeform: ( and it will spend a somewhat larger portion of time pushing zeroes around )
asciilifeform: you can generate a 6666-bit key. but you would need a 8192b invocation of ffa.
shinohai: But latest trilema states: " 2048 keys are too short. 8192 keys are too long. Keys of a length that's not a power of two are no good. RSA keys are 4096 bits and that's the end of the story."
mod6: make sense. i personally kinda like the idea that a user can generate a key, that must be 2^n, that is all.
asciilifeform: in fact it is difficult to think of a more malignantly inept piece of everyday gcc userland, than gprof
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you have a link to the pantsuit dns-dekulakization of the 'alt right' people ? i can't be arsed to wade through the sewers to find the orig subj
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 07:49 mircea_popescu: advertising "hitler is bad" can't be anything more or anything besides a global "hitler is important".
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 07:46 mircea_popescu: there's nothing there to learn, in this sense. if you got a bunch of ideologically-coherent tards that are out of touch with reality, be them pantsuits in 2017 us or peasants in 1917 russia you bring out the biofermenters. there's nothing else, misalligned ideological coherence is === biofermenters.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698804 << cheap and continuous hygiene is a fine alternative to grandiose and very expensive periodic exterminator calls ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1698796 << i assumed he was speaking of socialisms as a whole ☝︎☟︎
shinohai: Good morning, #trilema. This is a reminder that all sluts should have their annual asshole sounding performed: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHUIkTwXUAQnj4Q.jpg ☟︎
BingoBoingo: AHA, A stalin need plenty of fuel to burn
BingoBoingo: Well, it's "white trash" identity and NOT nazi for a reason
mircea_popescu: teh original nazis were all about will-to-live and so on. usians want to eat, and to not hurt. there's snails with stronger libidos, and a people happy to build mcmansions privately and the brutalist abominations publicly can't possibly have any serious investment in ontology.
BingoBoingo: Right. Hence the USG cartoon pencil used by sanctioned stooges. There's always more mortuary brass. Still for the actually deciding to be dissident there's a little bit of identity to hook into http://qntra.net/2017/07/us-entertainer-kid-rock-takes-aim-at-pantsuit-senators-job/
mircea_popescu firmly believes that "mortuary homes" or however you call the things are pretty much the definitive illustriation of north american native taste. there's square miles of the things somewhere in mass, totally worth a field trip.
mircea_popescu: really, there's no more connection between the two than between some illyrian woman raped on a riverbank two centuries ago and then given a pair of earrings and the boyfriend-girlfriend couple of today who made "passionate love" after finding the same pair of earrings and adorning her with them.
mircea_popescu: advertising "hitler is bad" can't be anything more or anything besides a global "hitler is important". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: not even a matter of "avoidable", they're THE SAME THING.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing there to learn, in this sense. if you got a bunch of ideologically-coherent tards that are out of touch with reality, be them pantsuits in 2017 us or peasants in 1917 russia you bring out the biofermenters. there's nothing else, misalligned ideological coherence is === biofermenters. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and all this "learning" bullshit. you can spend the rest of your life at the new york public library, you'll never manage to "learn" yourself into this position whereby sticking your cock into whatever woman you choose won't produce a random kid come out nine months later.
mircea_popescu: stalin is the mechanism whereby you turn a herd of dumbass hervbivores into a smaller, leaner, industrial nation. yes it comes right out of the peasants' famine duh. where the fuck is it going to come out of, outer space ? bacon meteors from the kuipier belt, nice and crispy by the time they land ?
mircea_popescu: "the only _important_ property of evils of the past is that they not be repeated in the future, in any way, shape, or form. by refusing to accept humor about past evils, you lend them an importance they do not deserve and which will ultimately destroy your _own_ future, while those of us who can distinguish what we learn from the lessons where we learn it, can hope to find a future that doesn’t need to have reruns of past e
BingoBoingo: Well, Monday it came out that the organizer of the Charlottesville rally was a Obama voter and BernieBro until a week after Trump was elected. They are fungible!
mircea_popescu: use coinbase, derp about bitcoin. then i'm supposed to distinguish these yokels from any other yokels because why the fuck, their mommy dropped them on their head in a very special way or something ?
BingoBoingo: !~later tell cazalla tyvm, but stahp trying to do the email thing. Textpast and !~later tell like a normal person. Email doesn't work better than 60% reliable anymore.
mod6: there should be a Manifest.sha512 in tehre too.
mike_c: there's a bunch of stuff in there. I'll just grab the .asc though.
mod6: you can try, but it may not help. i'd suggest starting clean from a failed build.
mike_c: ugh. that's a 45 minute penalty..
mike_c: half an hour later, failed. that's disappointing. but it did a lot more.
mod6: and there's no way, apparently, to solve this for everyone until bitcoinos/cuntos is a thing.
phf: erll, quite obviously for the makefile to work you have to have a file "toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc" relative to where you're calling "make" from
asciilifeform: the buildroot (aka 'rotor') thing is a dour wartime expedient, in case anyone forgot -- if we had a musltronic linux, or a bsd (i.e. non-glibc os) it would be unnecessary
mike_c: well, we will hopefully soon see if gcc4 works. then there is a culprit.
mod6: that should be fine. there was a fella in here about a week ago with the same problem as you're having/
asciilifeform: ( failed , specifically, to produce a working gcc envir )
mircea_popescu: so in other random lulz, i just built a pulse checker out of this ten cent girly hairpiece. it's about 20cm long, and basically a chinese plastic spiral with teeth. if you hold it up,. one hand on each edge, and prop your elbows against your thorax it vibrates with the pulse vehehery visibly.
asciilifeform: one time asciilifeform went into a demolition site, found newspapers from 'watergate' in the spaces between old cinderblocks, yes.
mircea_popescu: if someone dug them up and shone a light on them, they'd scream it in full color.
mircea_popescu: sometimes a flood or something comes and raises it up again, then it's taken to dump again, sits there more...
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 16:23 shinohai: Charlie Shrem on twatter: "Bounty: I want to run a full node and connect to @Blockstream satellite. Sell me a DIY kit with all requirements"
mike_c: good god. I downloaded these patches one by one, but there's about a million seals.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. everyone's a mathematician and everyone's a warrior nao ?
mircea_popescu: is these for people who actually give a shit re pantsuit or what.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that was a riotously terrifyingly stupid piece...
asciilifeform: r0nin-: dun go away, i'ma make a mirror just for ya
mircea_popescu: r0nin- so get a you know, alt-ip
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 15:12 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZb6kfctEU << 'my father would spin like a dreidel in his grave if he saw'
r0nin-: is there a link to this youtube elsehwere?
asciilifeform: r0nin-: consider making a key?
asciilifeform: r0nin-: would you like to become.. a somebody?
r0nin-: im a nobody
mircea_popescu: im guessing a medieval samurai ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 14:12 asciilifeform: one hint -- look at 'screw' as a modular congruence
asciilifeform: but instead flipping a single bit that gets xored with the result every time you read from the would-have-been-flipped reg. ☟︎
asciilifeform: was more of a philosophical observation : that mphf is not turing-complete ( in the same way 'p' is not. deliberately )
asciilifeform: why naturally you gave me a 9000 steps, and that's a, e.g., (TMSR!8192*3,50*9000)......
asciilifeform: didn't i derive a bounding function for it...
mircea_popescu: this is so necessarily, as a converse statement of its strength.
asciilifeform: ~after~ a mphf (or similar) hash is taken, the time and space required are known.
mircea_popescu: it dun have to be mpfhf so much as i'd like a GOOD alt.
asciilifeform: lol just when i thought up of a hypothetical way to save it!111
asciilifeform: it's just a buncha xors
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's ~whole argument is 'leave as much rsa a matter for pubkey maker as physically possible'
mircea_popescu: to be sure, i don't think you're making a weak case. im leaving the matter open, at least for a while, can you live with that ?
asciilifeform: yes i can think of a contrieved situation that calls for one. but no i don't want it in the rack next to the ordinary ones.
mircea_popescu: i don't carry around all my rifles all the time, to take a leak, etc. i can't.
asciilifeform: it's like asking for a 17 that can also be referred to as 3.
mircea_popescu: i mean, i call out "hey, slut" and a dozen eyes rise. these are collisions, and what of it.
mircea_popescu: this is not altogether a weak argument. consider the converse though : suppose i wish to refer to my key by using fewer chars than 512 ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 18:14 asciilifeform: a business card printed on a very spartan (100 'dpi' ) press , gives what, 350 x 200 b&w pixels ;
asciilifeform: i dun see this picture, where we GOTTA take a shit into this here fine vase, 'or empire will'
asciilifeform: it is a matter strictly between the fella generating the key, and his wot, not for the author of rsatron.
asciilifeform: if i specify a pubkey for myself with 65536-bit public mod, then other people can simply decide that i'm an arse and that verifying my sigs isn't actually +ev for them