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asciilifeform: '16:38 < jrayhawk> he needs verifiable/falsifiable examples, but i think i have already stopped caring' << winner
mircea_popescu: wtf is alt-right literature for my curiosity ? not ann raynd and such i hope ?
asciilifeform: '15:49 < jrayhawk> i feel like popescu is what happens when you confuse postmodernism with intellectualism and then read too much alt-right literature'
mircea_popescu: for one thing because i want to be able to spend by hand.
asciilifeform: ftr i dun see why not to make users also demonstrate possession of actual blockchain.
mircea_popescu: you are discussing the composition of said proofstring ; i was giving the ur-example of what he's talking about, "make USERS prove they have the blockchain, not miners".
asciilifeform: nobody's ever conceived of a finesse around this, and i don't expect that anyone will.
asciilifeform: ('utxo set' is a broken concept, thoroughly and to the bone : it implies that it is somehow acceptable to forget the history of all coin, i.e. the thing that proves that EVERY bitcent actually came from blockrewards as-specified, and not from magicking into existence a la fiatola )
kanzure: i think the most mature construction was one that was solely about utxo set and/or blockchain content, not rule validation (besides: they could be running a fake client that solely does these rule validation protocols or whatever, and then they don't actually run a node in the end)
kanzure: well, i agree, however you can include a private key in the scheme, and if the user is outsourcing their private key they are dumb anyway
kanzure: so, i had a proposal a while back where i pushed that question to the edges instead of to the miners; e.g. a bitcoin address scheme where it requires interactive querying to determine whether the recipient is actually running a node (because why would you send coins to a monkey that isn't running the bitcoin protocol).
asciilifeform: no 'i can't believe it's not fullblockchain' idiocy.
asciilifeform: 'i cannot rightfully apprehend the confusion of ideas that could lead to such a question'
asciilifeform: i must invoke babbage here,
kanzure: one way i was thinking was something like, move the transaction merkle root out of the blockheader, eliminate the block header, full transaction list must be transmitted in order to verify PoW. unfortunately gmaxwell broke this in 3 seconds (because midstate).
mircea_popescu: "'I think his followers actually kind of excommunicated him after he lost their bitcoins." as opposed to "he actually blew up the early feelers of teh cartel a year ago, we're STILL butthurt about it".
asciilifeform: what they 'coercing me into saying things that i don't believe' and why.
kanzure: no i mean coercing me into saying things that i don't believe
asciilifeform: 'I think we are interested in any and all opportunities to collaborate. We will try to setup a commercial circle. We hope that the Core developers will join. In the afternoon, we can come back after we visit Stanford. We have an hour gap and we can come back here. I have reserved the conference room for the whole day. We can still come back here. Googleplex is not very far from here. It takes 30min to get there or less. We can still
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 00:22 kanzure: i'm able to keep up with core developers as they babble on about stuff, though https://bitcoincore.org/logs/2016-05-zurich-meeting-notes.html
kanzure: i am really, really illiterate. i live in a different world.
asciilifeform: i expected you knew this.
asciilifeform: ( i print'em on old clunker that definitely has them dotz )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i see the merit in using the actual item though.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 01:02 kanzure: i do not have a sample of yellow printer dots in academic papers to work from. if you have a sample, i'll be happy to debug that.
mircea_popescu: not exactly what i want. it should work with arbitrary user provided links ; and it should specifically spit out the format required.
kanzure: and i said so on irc in 2013. and i think i doxxed her and now i kind of feel bad about that.
kanzure: i met her in 2010 at a harvard transhumanism conference. i recognized her profile pic (rotated) on a scihub site.
kanzure: so it turns out, i was the reason why she got doxxed
kanzure: i do not have a sample of yellow printer dots in academic papers to work from. if you have a sample, i'll be happy to debug that. ☟︎
kanzure: i was not aware of this.
mircea_popescu: i thought you read the logs.
kanzure: so far the only form of 'resource allocation' that i can peg you down for is re: something something 'protection of friendlines from idiocy'
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 22:15 kanzure: if things are so willy wonka in here that one cannot apply effort to directed intentional behavior then i'm not really sure how to communicate
mircea_popescu: seems i'd be uniquely unqualified for teh job.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 22:14 kanzure: well originally my purpose (that's right i said it) of bringing this up with mircea_popescu was to query his preferences regarding thermonuclear war err i mean eugenics err i mean direct participation in technology development for genome engineering projects
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704181 << i'm not much of an engineer ; i don't even own any ikea desk converted into an open thermo-thingee. ☝︎
kanzure: oh yeah, i'm not. ok. ☟︎
kanzure: i never asked to be listed there
kanzure: so yeah they did not have diligence until i showed up
kanzure: that was one month after i was onboarded
a111: Logged on 2014-10-27 21:05 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu i can't believe how much $ the ledgerX guys raised
kanzure: i am honored. (who?)
kanzure: (these are real-time transcripts. nobody has time to go back and type. i just do it in real-time.)
mircea_popescu: not completely useless, i don't think.
kanzure: i'm able to keep up with core developers as they babble on about stuff, though https://bitcoincore.org/logs/2016-05-zurich-meeting-notes.html ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3932032/thumbs/o-RICE-CAKE-570.jpg << item's as close to paper as it gets. stores forever...
kanzure: oh print the voucher on the rice? i've been doing it wrong i guess.
asciilifeform: the borderline-retarded buy it because retarded; the cynical grifters buy it because 'i'll be first to the trough'
mircea_popescu: i talked of it a little somewhere, it's very amusingly similar
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704153 << i can certify i've not used language in trhis manner sicne about 5th grade. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: hehehe i was about to say.
asciilifeform: either that, or 9,999 possible other 'i put an f1 engine in my trabant' failure modes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't read pdfs, so put it in a pastebin ?
kanzure: i have the best filenames
mircea_popescu: you're even voiced atm because i did lol.
kanzure: i wouldn't know
mircea_popescu: kanzure i lean on people all the damned time, what are you talking about.
kanzure: you could safely argue it would look like a plot of the sha256 function against a graph, but i would also be surprised to hear that ☟︎
kanzure: i'd settle for "observed tendencies or use of power that would probably fail without such power"
kanzure: it's just how i work, i internalize things
kanzure: i am trying to ascertain what you exercise power for
mircea_popescu: anyway, in practical terms i am politically powerful because i've successfully protected a bunch of smart people from idiocy for years, and they have the (pewrhaps unwarranted) expectation this may continue.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 20:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639964 << one of the (~the~ ?) advantage of tmsr work for intelligent folk is that there isn't a braindamaged/choiceless manager in the loop going "i know it's stupid but it must be done".
mircea_popescu: i was not arguing at you. we were examining your model together, and it came out unconvincing, and then we were left trying to make something of the pieces.
kanzure: you were arguing to me that directed effort is irrelevant (or something) so i'm trying to ascertain what your proposed alternative is
mircea_popescu: kanzure what'd i answer ?
kanzure: i don't really care if it's "justified" by you, i care about correctly understanding
mircea_popescu: kanzure the trying to figure it out, no. the expecting i'll justify myself, yes.
kanzure: if this knowledge only enables you to feel alright about whatever cause passes your fancy for the moment then i would argue you're engaging in a lot of effort for a rather trivial outcome.
phf: ah makes sense, for some reason i thought 3d printers went in the direction of spiroligomers, but hackerspace for which i was mocked is running a CRISPR project in their fridge so this is consistent
kanzure: no i just fed it to my bioreactor person to see what he would design for me. butyrylcholinesterase proposal will be forthcoming.
a111: Logged on 2013-12-10 01:49 asciilifeform: if i ever strike lucky, i'll write 'fairycad.' create magical gadgets, just need pixie dust fabricator.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i know. the problem with dna amplification with it is that (on tech i recalled) the required enzyme gets periodically destroyed.
kanzure: asciilifeform: i rescued a silly open-source nanotech cad program from being deleted and forgotten. however, i did not fund its original development. is this the thing you're tlaing about? https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer
mircea_popescu: shit i wish we thought of this in the early days of "fpga mining".
mircea_popescu: phf the more amusing thing here is that only last week i was wondering where the 3d printing folk went.
asciilifeform: i remember the first time i used a pcr thermocycler and was told 'costs 8k usd', and thought 'are you all retarded, peltier on my cpu cost 10bux'
kanzure: no i'm still claiming your intel is broken
kanzure: well i'm not one to argue for inflated resources, sure
kanzure: asciilifeform: insufficient money i think. although this might be a bad reason. i could accept that. nobody calls me on this type of thing.
asciilifeform: i'll even buy a ticket to watch.
mircea_popescu: well, actually, i'm the authority here, definitionally what i'm saying can't be babbling. you've upgraded your argument from "your intel is broken" to tmsr dun werk, it's a very dubious trek.
mircea_popescu: wait, i was offering something ?!
kanzure: i'm not that far yet, i'm just saying "if your superpowers are limited to writing blog posts then i'm not sure what you have to offer"
mircea_popescu: kanzure i doubt there's much confusion re feasibility.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 22:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, here asciilifeform i got one for you : drujba in romanian ? chainsaw. and because there was that whole 80s "ask a girl for her friendship" thingee, ... "he offered me his chainsaw".
mircea_popescu: i'm slightly better with teenagers.
mircea_popescu: patreon, gofundme or whatever. i forget what they're all called, angel list something.
kanzure: i read a bunch though: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/ http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ etc
kanzure: i am not associated with academia
kanzure: i should not claim to be related to the codon recoding, it's a subproject that was not proposed by me
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:26 kanzure: also, i am part of hgp-write (basically human genome project 2.0) one of our projects is removing 7 codons from the genome to render human biology impervious to all existing viruses.
phf: i don't think so, this is more like figuring out that something's broken in a car by the sounds that the engine is making. doesn't mean that the car's not working anymore. it seems reasonable though that causes and purposes would be the response, since that kind of eliadism is a natural counterpoint to above... that's just my impressions though
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, here asciilifeform i got one for you : drujba in romanian ? chainsaw. and because there was that whole 80s "ask a girl for her friendship" thingee, ... "he offered me his chainsaw". ☟︎
kanzure: but i like neither yudkowsy nor kurzweil :(
kanzure: if things are so willy wonka in here that one cannot apply effort to directed intentional behavior then i'm not really sure how to communicate ☟︎
kanzure: there are in fact things that i do not know so i figured i would go figure those things out
kanzure: well originally my purpose (that's right i said it) of bringing this up with mircea_popescu was to query his preferences regarding thermonuclear war err i mean eugenics err i mean direct participation in technology development for genome engineering projects ☟︎
kanzure: (not true. i'm teasing.)