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a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 11:41 spyked: !~later tell mircea_popescu re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-20#1701196 <-- yah, but does protecting the "proles" from own stupidity even make any sense as a statement? sorta relates to idea on Trilema on whether the empire wanted to arrive to this point (can't find it right now). enfranchisement of the stupid directly lead to that.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701414 << empire is not organised towards "protecting of the proles" or any other statement with the proles as a subject. the proles (understood deductively, as "all people", just as they understand govenment deductively, see prev discussion), as well as the environment generally are the objects, not the subjects of imperial discourse. ☝︎☟︎

brlbg: i get a 'complete' time out

mircea_popescu: brlbg seems a little slow.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701413 << afaik the only benefit educational, and it will follow from cutting apart a live woman and re-sealing her. not out of cutting apart an deviantart drawing. ☝︎

asciilifeform: i ain't putting privkeys ( even 'old' ones ) in a networkedclosedturd . for same reasons as i will not be sending them to whoever.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: as i understand it's a couplea line patch to trb

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> dumping shitforkolade is in that sense a very private work, more than, say, proctology << AHA, balance of bleeding!

asciilifeform: outperforms dulap, which eats half a kw or so .

asciilifeform: ssd also more , obviously, compact, and lower current. e.g. zoolag is approx the size of my fist. and runs from a wall wart.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:49 pete_dushenski: mod6: hugely. i've now got a small stockpile of 'em seeing as asciilifeform is a few years ahead of the curve and is already reporting on their 2yrish lifespans. might as well have some on hand.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701681 << before i fughet -- i will also point out, all else being equal , a ssd that is larger relative to the size of the blockchain -- will die more slowly ( trim MUST work for this to hold ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: putting your cock in the mains socket, is both wiser , more +ev, more pleasant, and less of a screaming abuse of the equipment and of the entire discipline that produced it, than sharing private keys.

asciilifeform: but with the added feature that it sets up a permanent wormhole between the sharers -- he gets hiv 20yrs later? now you do too.

asciilifeform: it's called 'priv' for a reason.

asciilifeform: also gotta say that the notion that pete_dushenski would subcontract out a job involving privkeys, is not very good advertisement for his service...

asciilifeform: and inquisitors apparently have iq of a broken dish and always give up at first chance, also...

asciilifeform: trimfs on other hand is a batch util, grinds disk to a halt for 10s or so

asciilifeform: dumping shitforkolade is in that sense a very private work, more than, say, proctology

a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:31 pete_dushenski: no one wants to dump bch / bcc eh ? weird. thought there'd be a line-up out the door. then again, maybe y'all already been there done that and my brokerage offer is late to the party ?

pete_dushenski: mod6: hugely. i've now got a small stockpile of 'em seeing as asciilifeform is a few years ahead of the curve and is already reporting on their 2yrish lifespans. might as well have some on hand. ☟︎☟︎

pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-04#1693691 << re "car wheel drm" can't say i've ever lost one of the "special" nuts myself but they are indeed a thing and it's not overly surprising that the shops won't sell you new ones but if you just drop your car off there, flip them a $50 or whatever, i'm sure they can take care of it. or, y'know, just know a guy. ☝︎

pete_dushenski: in other nodes, my latest 0-fullheight trb sync experiment was completed in a hair under two weeks. nb i say! ☟︎

pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: a comment of mine on your latest blog post got scarfed, just a heads up in case you're not checking for pending comments regularly, or it got lost in spamola foldola.

pete_dushenski: no one wants to dump bch / bcc eh ? weird. thought there'd be a line-up out the door. then again, maybe y'all already been there done that and my brokerage offer is late to the party ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'man has been arrested for allegedly trying to plant explosives on a Confederate statue in Houston'

asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes was it you who had a trb patch abolishing the idiotic truncation of block and tx hashes in debug.log ? where did it go ?

ben_vulpes: world is a fuck

asciilifeform: iirc jurov has a working node in europe somewhere

asciilifeform: hanbot: the 1st two are mine ( #1 -- zoolag, which is midway through a resyncing, on account of a dead ssd ; 2nd is dulap, which is humming along )

spyked: thanks for the tip. didn't know, initially thought there was a time limit for that

asciilifeform: 'Ten US Navy sailors are missing after a US Navy guided-missile destroyer collided with an oil tanker east of Singapore early Monday, the fourth accident in Asian waters involving a US warship in 2017'

asciilifeform: ( iirc the smallest package is a pqfp-64 )

asciilifeform: ice40 leaves a great deal to be desired ( it is VERY small, comparatively, and doesn't come in a no-flash version, and who knows for how long it will remain in print ) but is by far the closest thing that currently exists to the sane fpga.

asciilifeform: which made it a realistic reversing target, and it was apparently successfully reversed.

asciilifeform: it has a plain matrix-of-LUTs structure, no built-in periphs

spyked: asciilifeform, was going to ask. is there particular ice40 you're recommending? it might be a while until I get one but I looked over the list and they had various types (ultralite etc.)

a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 12:06 asciilifeform: spyked: we have loooooong way to go - try and make a ddr controller first

asciilifeform: !~later tell spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701446 >> on second thought, you probably could put this chore off, olimex sells a ice40-8k (largest available) with 512k of sram glued on. and this is theoretically enough to prototype . the more pressing matter is ethernet. ( afaik nobody sells an ice40 + ethernetmagnetics . and just as with ddr dram, answer is 'lattice wants you to use their larger fpgas, with THEIR toolchain' ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: incidentally in as far as i can tell, d00d was solzhenitsining for decade+, and very actively Musting Die from a very defensible imho pov

asciilifeform: either way, it helps us not a whit, these items dun seem to be any moar obtainable than 'elbrus'.

asciilifeform: now it is ~possible~ that the spec is disinfo, and in basement of kgb there is a rewritten alteratronic chain. but imho unlikely. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( and there is no way to verify that the chip was actually reversed, and produced in ru -- other than to present the specs, and a native clean toolchain ! but catalogue says 'use quartus from altera' )

asciilifeform: the orc packaging ain't a problem, imho it is The Right Thing to ban western smt spec

phf: i suspect there's still some amount of conformance with GOST. i personally think it could be a good practice if done right, but reading some usg account of it i can see how it can be turned into bureaucratic money maker

asciilifeform begins to suspect that these folx simply got a hold of american raw dies and make a killing mounting them in sov-era specced ceramic cases with gold pins, and calling it 'new production' ☟︎

phf: to some extent something like that was done in a transition from 36xx to ivory ☟︎

phf: sure, but chinual is extremely detailed and the ~architecture~ can be improved incrementaly. for example brad's cpu is, yes, implemented as an emulator for a discrete circuit. but at the same time it can be isolated from the bus, put into a determenistic harness, and rewritten from the cpu spec in chinual.

phf: right, but you can already do that with, say, fpga cadr. it's not necessarily a shiny experience though

asciilifeform: phf: the notion is to build a box with sufficient ram, horse, capacity to drive xterm, so that you can sit down on it and edit the fpga config per se.

phf: i still stand by this point, but with a disclaimer. i think that one of the advantages early hackers had was that they were working from inside their systems. linus was dogfooding linux, symbolics were using every lisp machine at their disposal to build better lisp machines. i think there's inherent folly in planning a revolution from the comfort of our bourgeois machines :p

asciilifeform: sane comp is to be a fully granular description. i.e. if you can still get transistors, you can still build ENTIRE THING. no exceptions.

asciilifeform: reliable controller for usefully large ram, and peripherals ( the only strictly necessary periphs are nic and a reasonable ssd persistent storage )

asciilifeform: spyked: designing a reasonably sane ( a la 'scheme79' ) cpu is not actually the hard part.

phf: i spent (mostly another whisperer and myself did) on getting vlm stable, and i'm unconvinced that some of the issues we encountered were purely "buggy vlm". there is, for example, a crash in floating point instruction that happens when you load document examiner on stock piratebay opengenera. i have no explanation for it still, because vlm code ~seems to do the right thing~. there are other similar instances ☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 22:58 asciilifeform: possibly one could try building a netbsd that doesn't try to touch the usb chip at all. then enjoy setting up sans keyboard.

spyked: asciilifeform, I see. I thought this would be a way to make the problem easier in the short/medium term. but I've had to deal with being at the mercy of X myself at another level so this makes sense.

asciilifeform: a spoonful of unix in a barrel of honey -> barrel of shit .

asciilifeform: spyked: i spend 7+ yrs on this approach, and my verdict is that 'middle way' is a DEAD END

valentinbuza: hi spyked. I just read the MP blog a week ago :) saw your old comments

asciilifeform: and not a single flipflop of state that we didn't consciously put there.

asciilifeform: spyked: i tried this, it's a dead end because papers over idiot hardware rather than replaces. and does not yield hardware sovereignty-- you are at the mercy of the chipmaker's continued making of 100% compatible cpu & peripherals

spyked: asciilifeform, what do you think of minimal baremetal implementation of Lisp (RISC assembly only) on something like a MIPS core? I might be thinking this in too abstract terms, it's definitely not that easy. but I'm trying to find a middle way between working FPGA Lisp machine and Lisp on unix. ☟︎

spyked: was trying to get a perspective on things. I haven't dabbled in hardware since 3rd uni year (that was almost 8 years ago). and even then... well, I got a lot to learn.

asciilifeform: and no , NOT a matter of 'take opencores hdl and port'

asciilifeform: spyked: we have loooooong way to go - try and make a ddr controller first ☟︎

asciilifeform: the other aspect, vlm is a massive bucket of c liquishit, and not at all a compact description of the arch

spyked: asciilifeform, yeha agreed. was wondering whether it's worth using the virtual machine as a starting point.

asciilifeform: a sane comp is a box with NO unix in it, anywhere.

spyked: phf, slither.io is very similar to agar.io, which was similarly addictive back in the day. killed a lot of hours with it, so from that perspective, definitely wouldn't recommend trying it

a111: Logged on 2017-08-20 01:23 mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/062-greenspan-assault-on-integrity.html << the problem with this view is that the pantsuits correctly intuit that all the imbeciles they enfranchised are sitll imbeciles. consequently it would be no harm to a business' reputation to sell them iguanas on a stick and call it prime beef. they will never know ; and casual perusal of tardstalk "investor" as well as "community disc

spyked: !~later tell mircea_popescu re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-20#1701196 <-- yah, but does protecting the "proles" from own stupidity even make any sense as a statement? sorta relates to idea on Trilema on whether the empire wanted to arrive to this point (can't find it right now). enfranchisement of the stupid directly lead to that. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-19 23:57 phf: fwiw, if the goal is to put an existing lisp machine onto an fpga, then i don't think macivory is a particularly good target. the goal would be to run Genera, which is severely lacking sources for critical components.

mircea_popescu: matthau being a great actor and an utterly iconic libertard imbecile.

BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2017/a-face-in-the-crowd/#comment-122723 http://nation.foxnews.com/?q=health-care/2010/09/08/obamacare-destroys-andy-griffiths-approval-rating

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/a-face-in-the-crowd/ << Trilema - A Face in the Crowd

mircea_popescu: i thought that was the whole slippery point of zher, that there's a hole not a line.

mircea_popescu: there was one major cultural power in the time uncultivated minds can furthest think back to, a time whose murmurs come to them through the great-grandparents, and that time wasn't napoleon 3's paris. it was vienna.

phf: and the introductions to eliade's book don't go into apologism (unlike evola books, all the english translations require an mandatory disclaimer, that he was a racist, but only a little!1)

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Likely he's in a high noise bubble

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sounds more like dood is taking a (dramatic) vacation than anything.

mircea_popescu: anyway, eliade's iron guard affiliations are very far from a little known fact. i'd wager more people know about that than ever read any of his books, let alone understood such.

mircea_popescu: hanbot yeah that's a point.

phf: from "Change some defaults to more reasonable values" attila-lendvai "the key bindings in the connection list are currently very dangerous when using with production systems, e.g. killing the connected lisp is bound to a mere C-k."

mike_c: !~later tell Birdman here's a new version:

phf: little known fact, mircea eliade was at some point a member of iron guard, and later tried to repent, mostly to preserve his academic legitimacy. still some accuse him of peddling evolan party line under the guise of legitimate scholarship. he was ousted by his own student

mircea_popescu: is this a live character ?

deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/20/bchbcc-to-btc-brokerage/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - BCH/BCC to BTC brokerage

valentinbuza: I say that ACS (Automatica si calculatoare) did not have a crypto course until last year.

valentinbuza: Because our students did not have any background on crypto. He chose to repeat material from "Introducere in criptologie", a course for 4th years undergrads.

valentinbuza: I have some clarification about choudary dude. He is a recent professor (1 year) at our university. The course is called "advanced" because from this year onwards will be advanced material.

valentinbuza: valentinbuza = valica, we talked a few days ago

mircea_popescu: this is like 9 yo telling you that the bath dissolved her snatch. you can't corrode just the seam, as a concept, leaving behind the item without a seam can oyu.

asciilifeform: what's a castle pot

mircea_popescu: neither a very convenient proposition.

mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked corning gorilla glass is just alumino-silicate glass made by corning. there's a bunch others. think of it as cheap bohemian glass, that thing we had the 10kg fruit bowls etc, "cristal". that's leaded, this is aluminized.

mircea_popescu: there is ~no possibility~ of such a tging as reputation among africans, shamanists, idiots, "what good are square roots" and other sub-human non-people.

mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/062-greenspan-assault-on-integrity.html << the problem with this view is that the pantsuits correctly intuit that all the imbeciles they enfranchised are sitll imbeciles. consequently it would be no harm to a business' reputation to sell them iguanas on a stick and call it prime beef. they will never know ; and casual perusal of tardstalk "investor" as well as "community disc ☟︎