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mircea_popescu: i know plenty of people spending a lot more for a week's vacation and getting a whole lot less.

mircea_popescu: 4-5k for the tickets + 4-5k for the hotel + 4-5k for the whores + 4.5k for the suits = 20k and you've a bunch of stories to tell.

mircea_popescu: but yes, tailoring tourism fits well with argentina. land, go straight to tailor, have measures taken, go to exedra or w/e pick up a coupla hookers, come back a week later pick up your half dozen suits and jump into plane.

r0nin-: well its a very good price compared to europe

mircea_popescu: r0nin- not terrible. old jew, knows his trade. anyway fabric varies wildly, this was a light linen thing. they'll make it out of anything, including bring-your-own

r0nin-: how they doing that? fabric is like $100 a meter

r0nin-: whats a decent suit go for there anyway in argentina?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701918 << actually, either of you two could make a logotron. it's a fine learning exercise. make it in lisp ; make it in v ; use whatever you're trying to learn. ☝︎

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702072 << ok awesome! will do a regular round-up to make sure it stays up-to-date. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: 1. because every fucking half second a page takes to load has an immense cost, in that you SWITCH. very much a case of http://archive.is/wkeMJ#selection-209.572-209.641

mircea_popescu: it may seem offputting at first, "where's my rounded corners" reaction. then if you stick with it for a few weeks you might discover the IMMENSE productivity gains of text-only.

mircea_popescu: he'd go consult with mp with a list of questions, and MEMORIZE the fucking answers.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 16:59 mircea_popescu: the point is not without merit, though. ~all the competent, at artisan level, males, the dudes working leather and metal and wood and whatnot ~competently~ are virtually all 50 yo doods with very much a slave mentality.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702083 << this is entirely true : carpenter is not free to ~negotiate with the task~, only with the wood. now for engineer, you also need a built-in ~master~ in yer head, aka ' царь в голове '. but at no point does unconstrained amoeba brain become a craftsman or engineer. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: but romania ended up with a competent secret service mostly through infiltrating kgb, not through competition with the deeply inept burgeoises.

mircea_popescu: it was a case of "the inept management died, and the bright kids republiced in their absence". blasted through everything.

asciilifeform: sorta the main diff b/w 'terrorist' cells org, and usg-style org, neh. the latter in fact has a 'crown jewels list-of-every' somewhere in it.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701905 << the skinning of the cat costs in excess of the pelt. suffice it to say that there's a reason all 80s "Spy films" are about how "there's a list of EVERY AGENT and the soviets MIGHT get it" bla bla dramas. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: the point is not without merit, though. ~all the competent, at artisan level, males, the dudes working leather and metal and wood and whatnot ~competently~ are virtually all 50 yo doods with very much a slave mentality. ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: she's a slavegirl here ; otherwise luvs torturing bois in her free time.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 14:35 asciilifeform: when saw that the ~original~ src was a pile of shithacks, lost interest in anything but the electron microscopy path ( like it or not, 1uM process folks were ~forced~ to make compact description )

mircea_popescu: not a bad idea at all ; was going to come up when we were finally making the tmsr hdd controllers. but even early dun hurt anything.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 14:20 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701801 << Sounds like there should be a link to the trusted-nodes page in the HOWTO maybe. Also, a once per-month round-up of me asking for Node-Updates, if there are any.

asciilifeform: now try this idea on for size : picture a 'btcfs' that knows how to use a dead ssd

asciilifeform: cheap ( 'sandisk' and a few others ) actually become unreadable, the controller decides to shit itself when it can't find writable blocks

asciilifeform: not merely predictor -- it gets finite writes in each block, after that -- it's a rom

mircea_popescu: as age is a great predictor of ssd failure and the shits are perfectly capable of dying same week.

mircea_popescu: but yes, the principle is correct : make raid out of same items, then a few months in change one. though it doesn't need to be changed. then use THAT in the next raid you build.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 12:40 asciilifeform: say you have 4 holes. use 3 mechanicals + 1 ssd, then few months in, replace a mechanical, then again, year later, whole thing is ssd that will not ever simultaneously burn , in theory.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701877 << not such a good idea to mix different types. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: it's important to find out, after all most fiat unis/tech corps/whatever actually to this day harbor the managerial delusion that they can in fact compete with the republic on a flesh basis.

mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care. it's a simple "come see whether you are good enough to seep people into your company or lose all your brain power to our better model".

mircea_popescu: that's the fucking position, wtf do i want FROM a bunch of fiat rottinculo.

mircea_popescu: not a matter of that. a matter of, hey, we're actually significantly smarter than you, come hang out, who knows, maybe you gain something.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you'd like to pen a 'can haz the pill against your $B 'intellektual property' racket for phreee? ' letter to lattice, go ahead. i did xilinx.

mircea_popescu: is she a neurosurgeon's nurse ?

shinohai is prod to assert that he knows a woman irl skilled in the handling of wartenberg wheel

asciilifeform: it's like putting napoleon in a tricorn.

asciilifeform: shinohai: gotta nitpick, pykrete was (rejected by) british navy. ( back when there was a british navy )

spyked: shellshock: "let's call this general-purpose function that executes programs in a shell".

spyked: yes, and C is I think it's a good example to illustrate the larger issue. it's a snowball thing, in the sense that it's sometimes enough to have 1 hole to break everything. incidentally most recent popularized vulns (not necessarily in C) fit there.

spyked: also, http://wiki.c2.com/?GreenspunsTenthRuleOfProgramming somewhat relevant. the more your program claims to do, the more of a chance it's gonna be used for unintended purposes.

asciilifeform: spyked: more fundamentally, it is ~impossible to write a nontrivial c proggy without pointer arithmetic, and it is ~impossible to meaningfully prove the correctness of a nontrivial program involving pointer arithmetic.

valentinbuza: 'time to learn, the "framework" becomes useless, because the mental framework is in place.' << my guess is not, but I don't think we have a conclusion on this with a sample of 2 points

asciilifeform: and to not be readable+fullygraspable by one man in a few hours.

asciilifeform: the second purpose of tls, 'noise', and every other 'protocol' published, is to install in your head the idea that it is acceptable for a cryptosystem to consist of 50kLines of c.

asciilifeform: the 'framework' is a null, a donut without a hole.

asciilifeform: valentinbuza: i regard the entire concept of 'real time automated public key crypto' as a scam, and anyone claiming to offer such a thing, as a scammer, until constant time rsa routines are public.

spyked: valentinbuza, to exemplify asciilifeform's point ^ I shall quote from the docs: "A Noise protocol begins with two parties exchanging handshake messages. During this handshake phase the parties exchange DH public keys and perform a sequence of DH operations" <-- this requires me to import a couple of concepts: handshake messages, DH public keys, there may be others along the line. now, given that my crypto brain-memory module is not

valentinbuza: asciilifeform, two things can suck and one can suck less. But instead of throwing a lot of arguments, why not propose your ingredients and recipes?

asciilifeform: this is not a debateable point.

asciilifeform: a recipe that explicitly features liquishit -- suxx

asciilifeform: valentinbuza: lemme guess, you are the victim of a recent university 'education' ? got quite bit of unlearning to do.

valentinbuza: i don't find the word 'standard' in the description or in the spec. it's not a standard and should not be seen as one

asciilifeform: a 'standard' that consists of 'go and implement whatever you like' is not a standard in any meaningful sense. ☟︎

valentinbuza: probably the word framework is misunderstood. Let's say you want NOISE_CURVE25519_ETC it does not provide you with curve25519 implementation, you have to create you own. It's just a schematic for protocol patterns, not a framework a la "django"

valentinbuza: agree on the TLS part. As I told before, Noise was a partial response for spyked blog post (TLS sucks, PKI sucks). Noise is just a somewhat better choice for the TLS sucks part

asciilifeform: valentinbuza: behold, for instance, http://shop.nosuchlabs.com << a www store that does not and never will use tls/ssl

asciilifeform: it is a crock of shit.

asciilifeform: this does not explain why this is a standardized feature.

valentinbuza: noise is a framework for creating protocols. you have the option to create NOISE_NULL_CIPHER_TOTAL_BS protocol which is totally different from NOISE_ANOTHER_SANE_CHOICE ☟︎

valentinbuza: linked noise as a partial response to spyked http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05b-https-war-declaration.html. Noise null cipher is an different context than TLS null cipher.

asciilifeform: 'tests how we can collect additional data in a privacy preserving way' << lol!

a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 06:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701546 << when ceausescu died there was a very brief revival "we shall roar" orc thing because ~most of us ops in eastern europe got killed / the rest fled. so there was a bit of pushback, all the way to killing dudes way in chicago. it didn't last, principally because sometime mid 90s the decision was taken (by the russkis) the way forward is economical not operational. so ss went the cia w

asciilifeform: when saw that the ~original~ src was a pile of shithacks, lost interest in anything but the electron microscopy path ( like it or not, 1uM process folks were ~forced~ to make compact description ) ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 06:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701494 << i always suspected the item will crumble under examination, but then again i'm just a hater.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701775 << the original bolix emulator was handwritten in asm for dec alpha ( which is why dks sells (sold?) alphas, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=186 ) . the x86-64 port never ~quite~ worked, it was a hasty c rewrite. ☝︎

mod6: I don't think these belong permanently in the SoBA each month. It would be probably a good idea for individuals who own these nodes to sign their Node IP and send that to the btc-dev mailing list. However, I seem to recall some resistance to that.

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701801 << Sounds like there should be a link to the trusted-nodes page in the HOWTO maybe. Also, a once per-month round-up of me asking for Node-Updates, if there are any. ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: say you have 4 holes. use 3 mechanicals + 1 ssd, then few months in, replace a mechanical, then again, year later, whole thing is ssd that will not ever simultaneously burn , in theory. ☟︎

asciilifeform: pro tip : stagger them in age, by 3-4 months, the first time you build a hardware raid5 from ssds

asciilifeform: i use it in workstations. but the cost is imho misplaced in a trb node, which are supposed to be a redundancy layer p2pfully in themselves !

a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 06:42 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701735 << very much this. raid arrays are cheap and easy these days, monodisc systems are a little weird for this reason.

asciilifeform: and would cost a btc or so.

asciilifeform: tldr : a serious sanecomp board would feature a , say, 16 x 16 ~grid~ of ice40-8k.

asciilifeform: primarily because just a basic nic controller itself would take up a whole ice40 ( ice is their low-end, barebones cpld series, and was reverses without any cooperation - through kicking and screaming of, even - lattice co )

a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:51 asciilifeform: not a single symmetric cipher other than otp has ever been proven to be worth a sparrow's fart.

spyked: valentinbuza, "Noise is a framework for crypto protocols based on Diffie-Hellman key agreement. Noise can describe protocols that consist of a single message as well as interactive protocols." in what's a tradition here, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dh I'll let the more knowledgeable ppl hammer it.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701835 <-- was mostly an exercise in translating from communist "wooden tongue" to english newspeak. a lot of similarities there. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 05:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701414 << empire is not organised towards "protecting of the proles" or any other statement with the proles as a subject. the proles (understood deductively, as "all people", just as they understand govenment deductively, see prev discussion), as well as the environment generally are the objects, not the subjects of imperial discourse.

ben_vulpes: it is a very ordinary hell

ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, quest to eradicate commute from my life appears to be drawing to a close!

BingoBoingo: And Qntra stats shows a resurgence of interest in http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/ this month

BingoBoingo: A RAIP being a Revolutionary/Raping Array of Independent Penises

BingoBoingo: Nothing forbids putting SSDs near a RAIP either

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701735 << very much this. raid arrays are cheap and easy these days, monodisc systems are a little weird for this reason. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 01:42 pete_dushenski: in other nodes, my latest 0-fullheight trb sync experiment was completed in a hair under two weeks. nb i say!

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701665 << yeh nice. about a block a minute or so. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701605 << yeah very much, at least a basic starter list of public nodes. mod6 ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 21:18 asciilifeform: !~later tell spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701446 >> on second thought, you probably could put this chore off, olimex sells a ice40-8k (largest available) with 512k of sram glued on. and this is theoretically enough to prototype . the more pressing matter is ethernet. ( afaik nobody sells an ice40 + ethernetmagnetics . and just as with ddr dram, answer is 'lattice wants you to use their larger fpgas, with THEIR toolchain'

mircea_popescu: easy to condemn this as "a mistake retrospectively", especially if one has nfi what sort of demands an operational approach places on the labour pool.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701546 << when ceausescu died there was a very brief revival "we shall roar" orc thing because ~most of us ops in eastern europe got killed / the rest fled. so there was a bit of pushback, all the way to killing dudes way in chicago. it didn't last, principally because sometime mid 90s the decision was taken (by the russkis) the way forward is economical not operational. so ss went the cia w ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 15:21 asciilifeform: now it is ~possible~ that the spec is disinfo, and in basement of kgb there is a rewritten alteratronic chain. but imho unlikely.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 15:16 asciilifeform begins to suspect that these folx simply got a hold of american raw dies and make a killing mounting them in sov-era specced ceramic cases with gold pins, and calling it 'new production'

mircea_popescu: your parents being rich and your friendly relations with all the elite of the town and generally your comfortable situation is a fucking baseline, not a high water mark, wtf is this, peaking in highschool like african women ?

a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 15:05 phf: to some extent something like that was done in a transition from 36xx to ivory

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701518 << the implicit point does not prevail with me because i personally ran a revolution from the very comfortable setting of my burgeois setting. you can ; and in fact the better revolutions go exactly like that. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701493 << he has a point, incidentally. the notion of ~approximating~ numeric machine is about as batshit insane as the notion of concave airplane or open-ended circulatory system. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701494 << i always suspected the item will crumble under examination, but then again i'm just a hater. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 12:12 spyked: asciilifeform, what do you think of minimal baremetal implementation of Lisp (RISC assembly only) on something like a MIPS core? I might be thinking this in too abstract terms, it's definitely not that easy. but I'm trying to find a middle way between working FPGA Lisp machine and Lisp on unix.