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mircea_popescu: the idea that what you do wil come back to haunt you is very much mpoe[-pr], as far as the bitcoin, and generally the "entrepreneurial" spaces are concerned.
mircea_popescu: and which is why as BingoBoingo pointed out earlier, when touched there they react. (the tor people in that case)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sarge << i don't consider non-source-based distro as suitable for serious work
asciilifeform: he is/was a finnish emigre, working as a comp sci prof in canada. was hounded off the net by 'outraged mass' for moldbuggery.
mircea_popescu: why. because nothing is as scary as cunt, that's why. try it sometime.
asciilifeform not expert on the mechanics whereby cow shit does not count as shit
cazalla: any takers for http://www.findbitcoinjobs.com/jobs/20347-risk-investigator-at-coinbase ? can double as a mole for qntra
asciilifeform: so long as human turds not involved - ok.
undata: asciilifeform: hey man, I shoveled actual cow shit as a summer gig long ago
mircea_popescu: no no, bitcoin itself can close in such a way so as to not leave its own state crud crudely saved
decimation: mircea_popescu: you mean running bdb as a separate process?
asciilifeform: as in, arbeit macht frei.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even if the work of a policeman consisted solely in going to a doughnut shop and eating a kg of garbage every day, so long as he -must- -- that is still work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: as in, physically go places and do things << dunkin donuts ?
asciilifeform: as in, the one normal people see on boot
mircea_popescu: not as in, well the hdd's wiped and the bios randomly rewired
asciilifeform: as in, can't get x
mircea_popescu: but i mean... rendered unusalbe as in you can't get a terminal on your monitor
decimation: lol that would be amusing as a party trick
asciilifeform: apparently they are common as dirt
asciilifeform: as different from virtually everywhere else?
asciilifeform: ^ may as well be in chinese
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2014 01:35:27; asciilifeform: rephrase, if you like, as 'unit of discretionary income per unit of lost free time.' ☟︎
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not "painful" as in pain pain. More like having a strong electrical current between your temple and ear while your legs cramp in a way that might need ice in the morning. More discomfort than pain proper.
decimation: 68hc12 as I recall
decimation: I recall using netscape 1.0 and the user experience was pretty much the same as firefox 30
decimation: yeah there were free forums as I recal
undata: I vaguely remember gopher sites as a young kid
asciilifeform: as recently as 2004, you could.
asciilifeform regards all mousy wm as turd
decimation: http://www.funtoo.org/Funtoo_Linux_FAQ << "Part of the distinctiveness of Funtoo Linux is its dependency-based OpenRC init system, so changing this would make it something other than Funtoo Linux. So we do not support systemd as part of Funtoo Linux. "
asciilifeform: 'few months' is about as useful as 'few thousand usd'
undata: BingoBoingo: do the wrong drugs as a kid?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when working as an r&d contractor grunt, i met plenty of folks in uniform happily 'flying the mahogany bomber'
asciilifeform: decimation: wasn't a memory stop as such
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm inching up on 252450, will post more as i gin them up
asciilifeform: as in, physically go places and do things
PeterL: but I have never done anything quite like this, so I am learning as I go
mircea_popescu: "Gavin Andresen's salary as the full time lead developer of the entire bitcoin protocol is $209k a year."
assbot: Hey, misogynists: The shirts that scientists wear is just as important as sending spacecrafts to comets
mircea_popescu: "You'll find the core developers are detached and very different to their users. As a developer of software myself I would find it disheartening if the bulk of my users were jerks like /r/bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: "Recently it was announced that a coalition of government agencies took control of many Tor hidden services. We were as surprised as most of you."
kakobrekla: as i suspected
gribble: (gettrust [<sourcenick>] <destnick>) -- Get trust paths for <destnick>, starting from <sourcenick>. If <sourcenick> is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust
mircea_popescu: the world was not built by ignorant twerps. your ideas about "the world" are about as well formed as your ideas about "wagram". both are meaningless symbols to you. about one, you arbitrarily delude yourself you have something to say.
Anduck: good. as expected
Anduck: ok. as it's question hour: thoughts about bitcoin short term (1-2 years) valuation?
mircea_popescu: i suppose the one true source of trolling is exactly that. ironically enough, pankake was orignally selling himself as a troll for hire iirc.
mircea_popescu: obviously if that's the only job they can get they AREN'T in their right mind. so why should their unright mind get an option as to what it wants to do ?
mircea_popescu: in any case : i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. let them put a decade in, build themselve financially to the position where they can participate in a start-up, and intellectually to the position where they actually aren't quite AS fucktarded as the average 20something.
jurov: ie.e life can be defined as anything that needs money
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "not needing money" except for coma patients.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: The whole idea that anything can be so "shared" as to have no value in itself is not a problem if the rest of the world ensures that nobody _is_ starving or needing money. <<< this is nonsense anyway. money is always needed, this is a scaling problem. average rat living in a hole in the middle east linking his pretenses to humanity to his possesion of an old cellphone someone lost may think ben_vulpes' l
mircea_popescu: of inadvertence, negligence, or mistake.” As a factual matter, this claim is questionable. It could just as well be said that heavily counseled parties to mega-mergers do not sign merger agreements containing glaringly ambiguous terms that lead to avoidable litigation—but here we are."
mircea_popescu: jurov: when RT invites amir taaaki as bitcoin expert, it's clear what they are up to, but when they pull some "dutch expert" it's suddent sacrosanct truth <<< lol he got you there asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: maybe something as idiotic as "one line starts with slash" or w/e.
nubbins`: as well
Anduck: mircea_popescu: as you saw, i tried without first
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: california is a scam state and hollywood has used its media to convince the world that it doesn't suck there, but it really does <<< this is by design. cute but stupid 17 yo chick from minesota goes to cali to be rich and famous, has to confront the unexpected situation where being homeless there sucks so as to eagerly overcome her education and suck cock.
Anduck: sounds pretty good as in it doesn't shit the chain
asciilifeform: nubbins`: let's say you wanted to close your printery and spend the rest of your days as a taleb-like scholarly man of leisure.
nubbins`: worth noting that this definition relies on flow in as well as out
asciilifeform: i'd imagine i'm not the only one who considers 'success' as implying a total exit from 'don't work a day - don't eat a day'
TheNewDeal: I can just as easily be a fry cook at mcdonalds and change my $100 monthly profits to btc
nubbins`: successful as a measure of percent exit from fiat
nubbins`: his coins aren't colored as such
nubbins`: probably tat, he got rich as fuck
asciilifeform: l of this "code sharing" is an economic surplus phenomenon. It works only when none of the people involved in it are in any form of need. As soon as the need arises, a lot of people discover that it has cost them real money to work for the community and they reap very little benefit from it, because they are sharing value-less services and getting value out of something that people take for granted is hard to ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'The whole idea that anything can be so "shared" as to have no value in itself is not a problem if the rest of the world ensures that nobody _is_ starving or needing money. For young people who have parents who pay for them or student grants or loans and basically have yet to figure out that it costs a hell of a lot of money to live in a highly advanced society, this is not such a bad idea. Grow up, graduate,
nubbins`: but they can sure as shit eat crow :D
nubbins`: he hasn't been around as much since he stopped with xbond, neobee, etc
pete_dushenski: it's nothing short of incredible to see just how tame mp reads then as opposed to now
asciilifeform: ot even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellec
jurov: i can easily see russians doing it and placing buk in there as diversion
jurov: dunno we ever solve this here, it's clear as mud
asciilifeform did not endorse rt as truth machine. but notes that, so far, usa has not denied authenticity of the smoking gun.
jurov: when RT invites amir taaaki as bitcoin expert, it's clear what they are up to
nubbins`: i actually use viscosity as a guide leading up to the smoke point
mats_cd03: "The city spends $165 million a year on homeless services, about half of which funds supportive housing. That’s one of the highest levels of per-capita spending on homelessness of any city in the nation, said Philip Mangano, who served as the nation’s homeless czar under President Bush."
xanthyos: as someone who's been homeless i've found it much easier to survive in backwoods towns in minnesota where people are poorer and not politicized
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, meh not promoting something that thinks "When a user wants to create an address, the user provides her identity to an IVS. The IVS checks that the provided identity is the identity of a real person who can be located and be accountable if illegal activity is detected, similar to existing Bitcoin payment systems such as Coinbase." is a good idea
mircea_popescu: this is actually the fundamental problem with western academia. the self-licking icecreamcones problem is just a convenient frosting over this, but the point remains that even should that matter be solved, as it trivially would be solved - by say a stalin, which is always cheap
asciilifeform: 'Knowledge can be lost. Sometimes this is perfectly reasonable: No one knows how to kill and skin a mastodon anymore, for obvious reasons. And cultures frequently lose knowledge as they evolve past it--you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who could write a computer program on punch-cards today. But there is something worrisome about misplacing knowledge that is only a generation or two old. And this happens mor
decimation: asciilifeform: of course stalin's agents were all over the us bomb as it was being made
mircea_popescu: cazalla i know specifically what im talking about, because the last looms capable of making the required felt were destroyed a decade ago as part of a family feud.
thestringpuller: Adlai: i don't think it was tagged as news
asciilifeform: 'Had the atomic bomb turned out to be something as cheap and easily manufactured as a bicycle or an alarm clock, it might well have plunged us back into barbarism, but it might, on the other hand, have meant the end of national sovereignty and of the highly-centralised police state. If, as seems to be the case, it is a rare and costly object as difficult to produce as a battleship, it is likelier to put an end ☟︎
Adlai: "TLA is a three-letter-acronym for three-letter-acronyms." << i'd go as far as/cronyms/gencies/
Adlai: asciilifeform: if you want to find when bitcoin started to have value, just look at when people began hoarding it: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/2881 suggests the april 2010 as the start of hoarding
decimation: imagine 'future war' where your squad as a 'laser machine gun'. In order to take the next hill, you need to lay down suppressing fire. the laser machine gunner opens up, and the enemy doesn't notice
asciilifeform: applies just as readily here as it did in 1945 re: fission.
asciilifeform: decimation: another generation or three of 'this', and hardware will look like the same shitfest as os/sw stack is now. fortunately 'this' doesn't have even one generation left in it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't even think code as tight can still be made, much like you can't have a proper boot made... << oh but it can.
decimation: well, the systems were small enough to 'fit in the head' as ascii might say
mircea_popescu: i don't even think code as tight can still be made, much like you can't have a proper boot made anymore, and hardly a proper suit of clothes.
mircea_popescu: i have NEVER and I do mean NEVER saw programs as good as bacxk in the days of asm.
mircea_popescu: And the lives of programmers were hard, and the case of their end-users miserable; for, strive as the programmers might, perfection was achieved only in toy programs while in real-world systems the defect rate was nigh-intolerable. And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
joecool: BingoBoingo: looks same as mine except i have a ??? between the last two
mircea_popescu: Adlai: now that's an interesting hypothesis to test: a bot lurks and tracks "shortest path" to each past message, then records when i link it as opposed to somebody else links it to me <<< actually a reconstruction of the ba logs where lines are nodes and they're given pr as per original google mechanism may be the first step towards stemming this whole bundle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that flgiuht path thing is not nearly as indicative as it may seem to the casual observer.