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mircea_popescu: and you like her enough
to overlook
this, and so it goes.
phf: i made
that point clear also, i believe he will spoil my hunt. he explicitly
told me he will! as far as love for quarry, i assume
that
this particular log can potentially reach
the quarry in question, and i suspect his reaction is not going
to be
to join
the republic.
mircea_popescu: and you don't want him
to be looking
through it because whatever, not nice enough, and well...
phf: mircea_popescu: i've given a more nuanced answer over
the logs. i've said
that stuff from last year is junk, i'm not sure about stuff from
this year, because i haven't inspected it yet. short of asciilifeform's periodic jabs,
there was simply no reason
to dedicate more
time
to it, considering
that from a useful work perspective
this is seen as a hobby, and i already have a backlog of
things i actually need
to be working on.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-10 16:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu:
the strugatsky brothers, before sinking into senile delirium, had a
tale 'roadside picnic', where unknown aliens land and leave buncha rubbish behind, and immediately depart.
the rubbish includes 'usefuls', such as 'eternal batteries', but also various deadlies, and plenty of
things 'in between', and earthling culture is rearranged by it.
mircea_popescu: phf you want
to say "if i can't discriminate
then why am i lord",
then you
turn around and it's "either i have something or i don't have something." well, discriminate, which is it ?
mircea_popescu: phf i never heard of scavenger
taking
the loving
tack
to
the quarry. usually scavenger sounds like alf sounds.
phf: mircea_popescu: well, i don't
think
this is quite like chasing women, i
think of it more as a scavenger hunt.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform group of ~dead~ geologists in
taiga, with working radios and smoking guns, WAY closer
to monkey
than
the chucka female
that
told
them each she's gonna put out
the same night in
the same place.
mircea_popescu: phf
this whole "i care about
the relationship for
the stuff it can produce" is very like what proust'd said.
mircea_popescu: not so far from monkeys, either, consider how
the
thing went, 1998-2018. but i
think
the
thread's not worth rehashing.
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean, capable when producing what etcetera. i never pursued a woman in my life, nor do i intend
to ever start ; i hold no grudges for
those who do, but you do understand ~an entire half of
the species~ survived
to
the present day by ~exploting~
this behaviour of yours, yes ?
☟︎ phf: ignoring for a moment
the general conclusion in multiple
threads
that bolix archeology is essentially a pointless hobby
phf: mircea_popescu: i care about
the relationship for
the stuff it can produce. i
think i'm stuck in circular here. either i have nothing, and
then
the relationship have no value, but
then
this conversation is pointless. or else i have something, and
the relationship is indeed capable of producing stuff.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 04:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is free
to be as 'unpersuaded' as he wants. fact: his machine -- can overrun an array; bolix -- could not; his box -- crashes, cannot be examined or uncrashed (yes) -- bolix -- could; and various other aspects, well covered in
teh logz.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 19:56 asciilifeform: apeloyee: but on
the other hand any attempt
to build a sane arch, without fully grasping
the bolix stack, from ic
to
the compiler, is lunacy.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee:
the other
thing
to consider, is
that
the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work.
take
the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have
the binaries, but not
the src. and ~someone~ will have
to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.
mircea_popescu: and moreover, from
the other side, "fiat bolix, pereat mundus, ruat caelum" ? "i am ~so dedicated~
to reconstructing
this 80s atari, i am willing
to spend however long living with and among fucktarded orc populations, at
the risk of my brain rotting like boas'" ? did you actually
think
this
through and
that's how it came out ?
mircea_popescu: indulge me for a moment, if you will, and make sense of
this salad. why exactly would you ~care~ about
the relationship with some morons who ~actually read~
the logs and
then douchebag out of
the republic ? "because
they know really interesting secrets" ? you genuinely believe
this is possible, people being both so fucking stupid as
to opt out of
the republic, and so fucking smart as
to have anything, ~anything whatsoever~
to
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 21:32 phf:
that's not a promise
that i made, and
this is a misrepresentation of my position. unfortunately i can't find
the relevant pgpgram, but i believe i made it clear
that i don't want
this publically discussed, because obviously if any of
the interested parties were
to read
this conversation,
their reaction would be "waitaminute". i never
the less offered
to share what i have, but i never got a confirmation
that you can just keep quite on
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 21:00 asciilifeform: and especially , deliberately unfriendly
to whoever profits from
the seekrederpery. in fact, i will know when my reversing has succeeded when a bolix collector somewhere at last eats his pistol because his $100k stash of irons is now worth == 8bit nintendo.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 20:09 phf: you're constantly in logs, confused as
to how anyone can get anything from anyone, yet now you're questioning my methods.
trinque: you know, like
that
time
trinque and phf got into it, and probably would've wised up pages back if but for a friendly
thrown fist
mircea_popescu: trinque
there seems
to be a halting problem somewhere buried in
there, among various other maladroitisms.
trinque: asciilifeform: I believe it, as
this
thread reads like mutually
talking straight past.
phf: i got it,
there's
the honest proper asciilifeform way which is all success stories and high ratings. and
then
there's
the usg, cuck way of actually
talking
to people.
trinque: peanut gallery over here, but have you
two ever sat down and discussed same in meat?
phf: actually i'm not sure i said it in
the logs, so my bad. i want a fully operational bolix fpga, or in
the future other
type of replica, complete with genera sources and other such bells and whistles
phf: asciilifeform: i don't believe me repeating myself on
this point will make a difference, i've already said it, but you've already made your conclusions.
phf: yes, my whole goal is
to have a bunch of useless bolix junk,
that i can mallory on
top
till i die.
phf: yes, and it can continue
this way, until i either have non-0, or it all amounts
to nothing. how's
that a problem? it's my fucking work.
phf: from
this conversation, where's i potentially do. fucking
three years of relationship building.
phf: asciilifeform:
there was already _one_ conversation, i made my _conclusions_. your adventage is
that you can basically just rant in
the open, make insulting fucking statements in "general direction" of
those bolix whisperers. where's i lose by having
this in public record. i
told you as much _at
the very beginning_. but you clearly shit on my efforts, i mean you have been saying as much in public for a year, so you don't lose anything
phf: and more important how can i
trust you into
the process if your basic approach on
the subject is shoot from
the hip?
phf: this personal, on
top of
the fact
that it low key compromises what i'm
trying
to do?
phf: look i
told you about
the stuff basically as soon as i came back _from a photoshoot_, gigs of photos, need
to be sorted
through. i communicated as much.
the whisperer stuff started way before i had a chance
to do anything about it. i mean what
the fuck. it's like "i'm
the greatest bolix liberator, and everyone else working
towards it is an obscurantist and a cunt, unless
they blog
their shit right now". how am i not supposed
to
take
phf: not only
that, but _immediately_ after your started on
the whole whisperer
thread
phf: where's
the reality as i see it, is
that you were offered some stuff, and your reaction was i'm my own king i do as i want
phf: the subject. perhaps i should've made it clear
that _knowledge gained
this way is yours
to keep_. in response i got constant, year long abuse directed _as i believe it was_ at least partially my way about whisperes and conspiracies.
phf: that's not a promise
that i made, and
this is a misrepresentation of my position. unfortunately i can't find
the relevant pgpgram, but i believe i made it clear
that i don't want
this publically discussed, because obviously if any of
the interested parties were
to read
this conversation,
their reaction would be "waitaminute". i never
the less offered
to share what i have, but i never got a confirmation
that you can just keep quite on
☟︎ mircea_popescu: talking
to a girl doesn't result in an obligation
to fuck her. or marry her. or raise her offspring. you're just
talking.
mircea_popescu: could for
the same money have "hey phf-- i know i said so and so in
the past, but
truth be
told now i got
these chips and i'd like
to get some work done, so how about..."
mircea_popescu: you don't ~have
to~ need me
to read
this
three
times instead of playing dungeoneers
mircea_popescu: so far you've learned
that if you learn or don't learn it's not apparently a process within your control. which in itself needs some examination.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 20:04 asciilifeform: nao, if phf
thinks
that asciilifeform cracking
the case ~at all~ will 'unmask' phf's informant,
this is a problem. chiefly for phf's informant, because i ~will~ rape bolix, whether anyone helps or not
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:55 asciilifeform: phf: i aint proposing
to put
the
thing on ftp as-is.
mircea_popescu: so basically,
the facts of
the matter is, "at some point in
the distant-er
than month but closer
than decade past", phf wanted
to
tell you some
things and you
took a hard line "just dump
the
thing", which he didn't want
to do.
then recently, having bought some parts and being less
theoretically and more practically minded, you revised your stance ~in your own mind~
to
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881964 and so on, but n
☝︎ phf: asciilifeform: it's clear now, i believe it changed drastically literally
today, up until now i believe it was as i was made
to understand it.