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mircea_popescu: and if you do, how's irreal dork supposed to ever figure out what he's doing is morally reprehensible ?
mircea_popescu: so then why tolerate them ?
mircea_popescu: hey, open source allows people to improve and extend.
asciilifeform: ( and the thing, as detailed at length in prev threads, is groaning under the weight of actual wreckers, who poettering-'obsoleted' the working, useful plugins and replaced with ruby, etc 'kraft cheese', e.g.,
mircea_popescu: i expect this is true.
asciilifeform: if maggot had never found emacs, as most do not, will maggot on top of sumthingelse.
mircea_popescu: dood didn't "accidentally omit" the string "idiot" in "check out this moron, spits out pdfs". it was omitted for reasons that have something to do with what orgmode fundamentally is.
asciilifeform: i suppose for certain kinds of people, 'hammer' is what you use to smash own thumb. for some other kinds, heads. but as far as i'm concerned it's for nails.
mircea_popescu: "oh mp, just because orgmode evidently made by a certain kind of idiots to support their specific idiocy doesn't mean anything ; and also, when the necessary fruits of that labour of love start pdf-ing their way to the surface, that's just coincidental 3rd party linkage". how far ?
mircea_popescu: retrofiring revolver alfie. your not using it that way has no bearing.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of wikipedia : "Almost orthogonally, Org-mode has functionalities aimed at executing code in various external languages ; these functionalities form org-babel, "A Multi-Language Computing Environment for Literate Programming and Reproducible Research."
asciilifeform: it could if it actually did same thing, lol
mircea_popescu: well, orgmode gives them the option to either.
asciilifeform: afaik the 'golf clubs' people are 100% using actual microshit spreadshit, not emacses.
mircea_popescu: which dust is this then ?
mircea_popescu: this was the wikipedia golden age, and it left us with "social sciences" and "earth sciences" and code of conducts and so on.
asciilifeform: there's euglena in the water, yes. but in this case mircea_popescu is seeing dust on microscope lens.
mircea_popescu: whether you're aware of this or not : 2000s era standards of usgtronic "science" had decayed to the point where, running some random virus off the internet was deemed as "independent verification". literally this, "i downloaded a bunch of numbers and a vbasic script off a website, it ran on my machine to the same result as it ran on publisher's machine, THEREFORE ALLEGED EXPERIMENT HAS BEEN INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED"
mircea_popescu: not "piles of shit left by others". specifically, i pompously declare myself "literate programatician", what this does is, vbasic autorun ; i pompously declare myself "respectable scientificist", what this does is, i download an excel script, watch its vbasic reproduce the same errors of http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-349085-we-dont-use-excel/#selection-143.0-153.147 and declare i have
asciilifeform: i dun even ~like~ or use 'orgmode'. but must dispute the 'folx who write elisp proggies are destructive zombies and class enemy' blanket.
asciilifeform: i refer to it as perlism.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~that~ is good % of what passes for tooling errywhere. i.e. mechanisms to clean up piles of shit left by others.
mircea_popescu: well that's your orgmode, neh.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you follow this, but the way through which "golf club pattern" idiocy existed is exactly this sort of "automation" : i """scientist""" downloaded an excel from the internet and it spat out in my cell what the website said it spits so therefore EXPERIMENT VERIFIED
mircea_popescu: "reproducible research", do you know what they actually mean by ~that~ term hijack ?
asciilifeform: ('orgmode' per se aint very interesting, it's just an elisp script that lets you shuffle wads of txt as linked lists)
mircea_popescu: orig thread is re how "here looky, case of orgmode rotting brains"
asciilifeform: so is orig thread re how orgmode rots brains, or that linked blogist writes insufficiently mircea_popescuinely?
mircea_popescu: when ~i~ quote from an idiotic third party, you know this is going down, by the presence of the word idiot in there.
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu quotes all sorts, e.g. gavin, in various pieces. does this mean that mircea_popescu endorses gavinism ?
mircea_popescu: is it you protest the exact flavour of anathema ("oh mp, it's not usg.corporate idiocy, it's usg.academia idiocy" ?) or what exactly.
mircea_popescu: i can't discern what argument you're brining in there.
asciilifeform: as for the quoted d00d, who '.org -> .tex -> .pdf', dollars to doughnuts he's an academic and chained to that oar.
asciilifeform: ( fwiw asciilifeform tried 'orgmode' at length, decade ago, but didn't like, found that it does ~90% of what i needed, and the remaining 10% felt like same amt of work as simply using plain txt files + grep entirely. )
asciilifeform: loox like he was quoting some rando's use case. himself, he uses it to write .txt for the blog.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where did the orgmode d00d discuss pdfism ?
mircea_popescu: retrofiring revolver also fits this bill.
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, while it can be used that way, that's not the way i use it". whopee.
mircea_popescu: "literate programming" MY FOOT! that piece of shit is the ~exact antithesis~ of literate programming, it's illiterate excel-ing. and i do not for a second believe that the "misnomer" is accidental -- it's exactly usg-deliberate. nor do i think the mention on the original dork's blog is accidental.
mircea_popescu: nfi what there's to like about orgmode, and especially it's not clear how you distinguish it from "excel vbasic for emacs"
a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 14:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882424 << i'ma bet you found the d00d through asciilifeform's links sect, where he has a well-deserved place for useful elisp material. ( does mircea_popescu have something specifically against 'orgmode' , or simply in the habit of spitting on anything he dun use personally ? )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882432 << mircea_popescu believes orgmode is ~stupid~, which carries no further import than this, and mircea_popescu does not begrudge the users their usage. he however also notices that what it LEADS to is fucking anathema ; because if indeed orgmode is in your mind a stepping stone from emacs to pdf, then indeed orgmode is exactly as stupid as i fucking thought it was. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i can't think of what to possibly add to it.
mircea_popescu: and with that, it can rest.
asciilifeform: it's essentially replay of ye olde 'do not build own jail inside yer head' thread.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 15:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on meditation, that piece makes it plainly evident redditardation is ~generational~, not ideological. there sit the russki kids, who'd be in a fine position to understand the problem. god knows they have much better access to much better priors that readily illuminate it.
mircea_popescu: they know it works (as it evidently does, phf wasn't even born there i have to point out to him that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882391 ) and so they want every last indian in some remote hunting lodge somewhere to have at least one blanket. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 23:29 Mocky: these jobs requiring 'clearanced' is actually quite handy, easy filter criteria
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's a ~reason~ for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875908 ; that reason is ~RAISING AWARENESS~. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we know the same thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as fucking if anyone reading the logs is anything but that one's immediate obligation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i happen to know that the 'mit tyranny' consisted of standard patent agreement. which some folx 'ohnoezed' and 'preemptively' bowed over, and others -- simply raped, and laughed all the way to bank.
mircea_popescu: much like the usg hook in campus intimate relationships is "rape", (also as the usg earworm, has ~nothing to do with rape in any sense)
asciilifeform: and observe that asciilifeform is somehow able to discuss this point without 'ohnoez, but what if x,y,z read the log!'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 22:51 mircea_popescu: phf this part is fine. now, why did they fail to a) band togetgher and b) control, deliberately, the product.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 23:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, mit is the owner of ~nothing.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:50 mircea_popescu: fact of the matter, for ~these reasons~ i don't even believe mit told original symbolics&co fucktards to be fucktards.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in the end, the important usg hook in social process among the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877467 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813416 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641131 crowd of morons is -- "the secrecy", as a usg earworm. ☝︎☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: this is much broader item than simply in re bolixism thread.
asciilifeform: it's 1 thing if yer stierlitz and sign whatever 'seekrecy agreements' with the reich so as to then have what to radio back to stalin, laughing all the way. it's quite another if yer actually infected and start taking the 'promises' to reich seriously.
asciilifeform: ( and even if ~won't eat bone~ -- in asciilifeform's eyes, it is far better to take bloody irons apart ion by ion for 20yrs than to get commented sores at the cost of selling soul )
asciilifeform: i realize this aint news to mircea_popescu , but gotta put in the l0gz for all the folx who aint 10,000 y.o. olympians
mircea_popescu: i never witnessed this phenomenon where the same young hussy giving some age-peer a hard time puts out unasked as soon as some gypo shows up.
asciilifeform: old folx want to 'feel relevant'. if you throw'em this bone by preemptively 'promising to seekrit', they'll eat it up. if you throw different bone, will also eat.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's where that train stops, yes.
BingoBoingo: Masonic oaths don't create hitlers. They do worse. They create oxford boys playing soggy biscuits while bucket crabbing.
asciilifeform: it's an exact replay of the alchemists.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 14:53 mircea_popescu: it is a ~fact~ that the empire only perpetuates through the ~willing~ and ~deliberate~ sin of republicans, who ~elect~ to feed the morons.
asciilifeform: the sinners in the story aren't even dks et al, but the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882442 folx, the 'masonic oaths' they swear are largely ~to each other~, creating a hitler out of vacuum ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to add moar weird to the story, last night dks actually answered, with 'i'ma dig for some PAL stuff, will write back after newyear'. old man simply moves slowly. ( and notice that i did not have to swear masonic oath to him !111 )
mircea_popescu: "the similarity is that a) you want it and b) it's worthless". "oh!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one thing that blows my mind is the compartimentalization. "you either own the computer or else work for the usg" is somehow self-evident ; "you either own the woman or else work for the usg" is magically not, because "it was not clear to me dks was the woman in our relationship, what is the similarity between the dangly-bait cunt in each case ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: it's not some fucking joke, which is why it's funny. it's why these are always funny.
mircea_popescu: now where's the link to that story about the man who lent some money and ends by wondering whether he keeps going back to "get his money back", fuck the guy's wife or take up the ass ?
asciilifeform: the ancients warned re 'serving two masters', neh.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 00:45 asciilifeform: y'know full well that engineers can't find own head from arse in 'fields easier to observe'
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:24 phf: so i'm not trusted at all?
mircea_popescu: which is the deep problem with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881912 : you want to be a lord within the walls but play the erastes outside. it's ~not easy~, yes women can do it remarkably well, but http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882319 ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: either you own the woman, or else you're just there to anally please her owner. that's the outlay, there's nothing else there.
mircea_popescu: and whether you're both 16 and i'm her father-owner rather than her master-owner ALSO MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO YOUR STATUS.
mircea_popescu: if i have a woman going out who pretends to put out so that i walk in on you, throw a fit and fuck you in the ass -- whether i show up to actually do it or not MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO YOUR STATUS. you're still my cock rag.
mircea_popescu: and besides, and just as importantly : the boy who puppyloves some girl ~is in no way different ; IN NO WAY DIFFERENT~ from the erastes who "loves" some man's kiddy bait whore.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 20:59 asciilifeform: phf: observe, asciilifeform's approach to breaking 'seekrets' is not entirely ineffective. and yes it is 'unfriendly', in particular to folx keeping the seekritz. which by extension is ~anyone~ who knows and aint saying.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was the basic thrust behind asciilifeform's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882088 jumper setting. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there's no "progression". the place for the "well brought up" daugthers of the middle class is the furnace, naught else.
mircea_popescu: moreover, no amount of buying sodas & popcorn for miss princess rottencrotchstein two doors down so you fight her over her tits in the darkness of the cinema hall is EVER going to produce a useful slavegirl.
mircea_popescu: it is a ~fact~ that the empire only perpetuates through the ~willing~ and ~deliberate~ sin of republicans, who ~elect~ to feed the morons. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 22:21 mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean, capable when producing what etcetera. i never pursued a woman in my life, nor do i intend to ever start ; i hold no grudges for those who do, but you do understand ~an entire half of the species~ survived to the present day by ~exploting~ this behaviour of yours, yes ?
mircea_popescu: on fifth (and i guess final) re-read, it occurs to me the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882248 <-> http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#selection-223.252-223.669 link really should be made explicit. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually found him because (inexplicably) popped in trilema referrer list.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 06:30 mircea_popescu: too lazy to dig up his github profile fulla amateur astronomy, "omg guise did you know you could put fries on pizza and it would taste amazing" cooking recipes and assorted http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-31.0-31.271
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882427 << most damning sin of the 'irreal' fella is.. failing to come up with a unique handle. the shithub by that name has 0 to do with the linked blog, it's fulla microshit and 0 emacsism ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 06:29 mircea_popescu: http://irreal.org/blog/ << for the lulz files. incidentally, when i think "emacs user" i think of this moron, "omg you guys .org -> .tex -> .pdf is a great work-flow for sharing information. It's like #inception though - first #emacs became my OS and now everything I create in Emacs is becoming an #Orgmode file. First I started doing all my writing in Emacs (and later, of course, as much of everything else as I could) and the
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882424 << i'ma bet you found the d00d through asciilifeform's links sect, where he has a well-deserved place for useful elisp material. ( does mircea_popescu have something specifically against 'orgmode' , or simply in the habit of spitting on anything he dun use personally ? ) ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 16:19 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882350 << ty sir. How about this Saturday for the swap? I'll take lobbesbot's RSS-o-tron offline that day and you can have feedbot join #eulora
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882413 <-- sounds good. I'll be online starting about 12PM UTC until late, so give signal and I'll /join from the feedbot side ☝︎
mircea_popescu: spyked while at it, plox to take danielpbarron.com off #eulora / #trilema ty.
mircea_popescu: too lazy to dig up his github profile fulla amateur astronomy, "omg guise did you know you could put fries on pizza and it would taste amazing" cooking recipes and assorted http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-31.0-31.271 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: It occurred to me that Org is like the Borg: it absorbs everything that gets near it. So laugh all you want but you will be assimilated." and reddit links.
mircea_popescu: n all that writing started being Org files.