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shinohai: On advice from our esteemed Lordship, I only went to Alfonso Bonilla airport in Cali to pick up the Baroness ...

asciilifeform: !~later tell apeloyee http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716422 << this is what i've been trying to figure out re barrett : can it be made to work for ARBITRARY inputs , in constant spacetime ☝︎

shinohai: But thank you mircea_popescu ... she may yet turn out to be yet another valuable contact I have met through your programme

shinohai: The things I do for this Republic

shinohai: Guess I need to stand my old self kiwi instance back up

shinohai: Likely ... when I sent her to plain web.freenode.net it worked fine

mircea_popescu: i'm guessing further cloudflare shenanigans ?

mircea_popescu: i imagine it must be pretty confusing, this brave new world.

shinohai: "Well I see a lot of chicas ispanas there, so it must be legit" (translation mine)

shinohai: Then I spent 15 minutes teaching her how to use irc

shinohai: This has to be one of the most entertaining times I have ever translated en private.

shinohai: I have a pic of her wallet! lol

shinohai: appears to be it. I told her you are not responsible if it goes to bad addy

a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 22:49 apeloyee: I don't understand how to do classical barrett without CLZ on modulus

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716392 << i don't see what part of barrett wants to know leadingzero count ☝︎

shinohai: I dunno, have not seen them yet

a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 22:07 asciilifeform: apeloyee: i'd be curious to hear how intel will 'optimize' xor.

apeloyee: hence I posted it. plus it'd be useful for newton (if fast division is deemed necessary for some as-yet-unknown reason)

apeloyee: I don't understand how to do classical barrett without CLZ on modulus ☟︎

apeloyee: shift i mean

asciilifeform: i can say immediately that if you 'secret shift' every time you want to modulus, you will take at least same number of steps as knuthian division.

asciilifeform: apeloyee: i'd be curious to hear how intel will 'optimize' xor. ☟︎

asciilifeform: apeloyee: i want the fastest possible universal reduction that works in fixed spacetime and provably so

apeloyee: true, but I thought you wanted a universally-fast reduction?

asciilifeform: still 1 knuthian div, vs the 8192 i have now (in the example)

asciilifeform: because as far as i can see, it has all of the same problems, but more so

trinque: heh, I will be sure to push that one onto the appropriate stack

asciilifeform: ty apeloyee , i will read .

asciilifeform: apeloyee: my principal problem with barrett is that i don't have a proof that it works with 3 or fewer corrective-subtractions for ALL possible a,b,m in a*b mod m

trinque: and it's the lightest weight item that does so, that I've found

lobbes: I'm gonna look into shinohai's suggestion of checking the PID rather than grepping for name. Let's just leave it in #eulora for now and I'll get back once I dig deeper later tonight/this week

lobbes: I assume IP had to be banned. I'll leave it up to the court whether or not to unban. bot's only function here was quoting logs.minigame.bz anyhow

mircea_popescu: so far i'd be surprised if anyone seriouslty didn't want to ; the argument as presented seems sufficiently overabundant!

spyked: mircea_popescu, yeha, but maths ppl I read/talked to "by convenience" define prime as "a number greater than 1 which is divisible ..." the reason escapes me. and as usual, online sources are shit.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716177 <-- why 1? don't want to start a debate on that. dunno if debate was ever settled by mathematicians, but I learned in school that primes are strictly > 1 ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been thinking about sending ffa , when finished, as an article into the saecular derps' 'cryptology journals', strictly for the lulz of getting their reject barf , and then posting, a la al schwartz

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716165 <-- I r confused. if 3 + 9 = 2 (+1 carry, because of primality of 3), then isn't the result 93? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i thought he was older

asciilifeform: so i know of it.

phf: i suspect it postdates asciilifeform's gaming years

mircea_popescu: btw, i take it everyone has played knight's bounty ? as the crowning accomplishment of those eastern orc lands ?

asciilifeform: for some reason i thought there were no ( at least Officially ) cuban cigars in usa

phf: asciilifeform: fyi they sell them within i suspect no more than half hour from you

mircea_popescu: i suppose tube makes ok trainer dildo for 16yo debutante

mircea_popescu: and in other ways and means, i just bought a pile of primo cigars, presidents and romeo y juliets and whatnot at this... cathouse, basically. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i seem to unspecifically recall this

mircea_popescu: i also fucked it up because 9 is not prime so it should have carried the 1

asciilifeform: i won't say yet which it is

lobbes: fuck. I apologize for lobbesbot's join/part spam lately. no idea wtf is happening. taking him out of chan for time-being...

mircea_popescu: i was not proceding towards a purpose! but it is worth pointing out that the addition understood in terms of "sum+bit diddle" can readily be extended ; and probably should be.

asciilifeform: i'd prefer a macroscale numbertheoretical hash, even one that explicitly stands on strength of, e.g., rsa, to the currently extant soup.

asciilifeform: and incidentally i dun have a nonleaking miller-rabin yet, need nonleaking gcd ( have on paper, but not in ffa yet ) ☟︎

TomServo: asciilifeform: I recall you mentioning this.

asciilifeform: i ain't linking to pediwikian bowdlerizations , and there is no other source afaik .

asciilifeform: but i will need an ironclad proof that it worx for ALL possible inputs.

asciilifeform: ultimately it would make sense to use barrett reduction but currently i am not satisfied with the proof that it converges ( for some reason, every statement of this proof that i could find, seems to exclude reduction by powers of 2, and i do not yet understand why )

ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-9-14#205675 << i have a line open to "UESTC" in chengdu, i'll keep y'all in the loop

ben_vulpes: "i'm cultured, i had a stool transplant!"

a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 02:47 mircea_popescu: soo, given the "cultured milk" yoghurt bs these days, i wonder what % of us population's entire exposure to that concept is in that context, and as a result has come to believe "cultured" means you know, you've had some germs injected or something.

mircea_popescu: i suck at being surprised.

mircea_popescu: oh i c

mircea_popescu: i mean... is that even legal ?!

mircea_popescu: i don't think you're allowed to use votes that way.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously. I could drift away into another cult again!

mircea_popescu: i have this friend (ie, chick that was dating hotter guys than me in highschool and never sat with me in cafeteria) that's (((being))) a real estate agent except she's not closed on anything since 2015. it'd REALLY make my day if I could introduce her to some beta trading in their govt issued paycheck for a govt issued house certificate.

mircea_popescu: sometimes i can't help but think if you didn't have me around to provide grounding you'd end up drifting away into some cult or something BingoBoingo.

mircea_popescu: it's basic, good thinking such as this that saves elections, i'll have you know. goood thing hilarity still has a chance!

mircea_popescu: soo, given the "cultured milk" yoghurt bs these days, i wonder what % of us population's entire exposure to that concept is in that context, and as a result has come to believe "cultured" means you know, you've had some germs injected or something. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and now thatthe log is done, i shall dedicate myself to the other enjoyable literate passtime -- the reading of old trilema articles.

mircea_popescu: and i'll point out that while Попескy is acceptable, Мирчи is pretty far from the original.

a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 01:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715948 << i suspect that was the original idea of pointers. "you want to insert X between A and B in AB memory ? NO PROBLEM! make A point to X instead of B and X to B itself AND IT IS DONE! MAGICALLY!"

a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 22:15 phf: it would be interesting to try and design architecture where you have an insert operation on a memory region (cons and lisp machines is kind of it, but that's done by sidestepping the issue; i'm talking a traditional von neumann machine)

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715948 << i suspect that was the original idea of pointers. "you want to insert X between A and B in AB memory ? NO PROBLEM! make A point to X instead of B and X to B itself AND IT IS DONE! MAGICALLY!" ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 21:39 phf: i've actually tried putting ropes in a bunch of projects and they never have good performance characteristics. in fact for text editors no one has invented anything better than "one string per one line", and if you want to be fancy you split it at point (what emacs does)

a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 21:30 phf: i don't know why you explain to me things that ~i argued in the past~. fwiw, i argued "utf-8 is a whole spittoon" back when the question of encoding first came up, to somewhat fierce opposition

asciilifeform: i like z80. like 6502 even moar

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's fine on some platforms. i think we might be like the only people who even touched such a platform this decade.

mircea_popescu: i'm sure not to your standards.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715878 << i suppose it was on the candidate list now that "bitcoin core" and "bitcoin cash" both crashed and burned ; and there you go ruining all its great cachet! ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i always thought it somewhat weird that ~all we ever interview is chicks for the topless position, fwiw.

a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 21:04 phf: i was trying to be ~polite~. if you put "10 years of unix" on your resume, i sort of assume "tell me your favorite editor and then ssh into the box for interview" is a bushido level of politeness

a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 21:02 phf: same thread as a guy who freaked the fuck out, because i told him to ssh into a box for the interview

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715867 << damn, i shoulda freaked out when sina wanted to show me his gossipd. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-19#1715856 << except for "what dnc", i guess. ☝︎

phf: it would be interesting to try and design architecture where you have an insert operation on a memory region (cons and lisp machines is kind of it, but that's done by sidestepping the issue; i'm talking a traditional von neumann machine) ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( btw i always found it interesting that the unix authors never saw it fit to include a binary equivalent for diff/patch . but iirc we had this thread. )

asciilifeform: dun think i've ever done one for a >coupleaMB bin tho

asciilifeform: i typically write a perlism for those, with a seek()

asciilifeform: phf: string insert is O(N) troo!! but i can't escape the notion that if you're manually inserting INSIDE multi-GB strings, Something Is Wrong with yer process

barpub: phf: up to you. i've already conceded the basic point: on actual hardware you can buy, ropes are fragile and corruptible and represent incidental complexity

phf: i regret wasting time explaining

asciilifeform: phf: i never understood what's wrong with mmap for text editor of 'larger than memory' items

asciilifeform: barpub: actually i've been having a pretty good time avoiding pointerism in, e.g., ffa, on ordinary pc

asciilifeform: i'll take that as a yes then

barpub: i've read your blog if that's what you mean

barpub: it's the only example of a rope i've actual experience with

asciilifeform: if i were to randomly flip a bit in a bitstring representing roped text, it will quite possibly turn it to liquishit. if i do the same to normal string, you have 1 bad char in 1 particular place.

phf: i suspect xi trades snappiness for multi-gb use, which you don't notice, since you have to run it on the most recent mac (at least mac front end requires maxver xcode)