asciilifeform: whether this matters -- is separate q
asciilifeform: the other way to think of it, is that for so long as you have a box that eats rubbish from randos, you have a mechanism for folx to host shitware to use against firefox-besotted js victims etc
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom, https://archive.is/rTmuG >> 'The first freight deal settled in Bitcoin was executed last month on a vessel carrying wheat from top shipper Russia to Turkey, according to Prime Shipping Foundation, the venture behind the transaction. ... The vessel used in Prime Shipping’s transaction carried 3,000 metric tons of wheat from Rostov-on-Don to Samsun. '
asciilifeform: the orig scenario of course requires benevolent martian , who would gently pick up idjit humans who try to approach the box, like child picks up beetles, and puts'em elsewhere
asciilifeform: ( 'machine' in the very general sense, you'd want >1 , which understand one another's keys and sync )
asciilifeform: and more generally, if one could park an rsa-speaking machine , of extraordinary physical resilience, somewhere nobody could reasonably get to, but can still maintain radio contact
asciilifeform: fwiw a literal martian bank would probably work quite well. ( you might have to put it farther than mars, or even on a continually-moving craft , so as it could not be templar-molested by 'french king' )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: closest thing i ever came up with to 'analogue bitcoin' was a variant of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-02#1222527 , where you have a sheet of $glasslike and a thermal stressor gadget is used to crack it into N 'jigsaw' pieces; idea being that adjacent pieces 'plug into' yours and can 'verify' it , and so on recursively☝︎
asciilifeform: mod6: i dun particularly disagree with any of this, but the pov that 'vetting ffa' is a 1time thing, that can be done and then 'is done', imho is mistake : each user must read it ~himself~.
asciilifeform: dunno that there is any straight way to settle 'what is basic' . but rough measures of most-famous-products at company one supposedly worked at, is not imho 'cruel & unusual' puzzle
asciilifeform: and i fucking hate cheap ninjashoguns.
asciilifeform: or , how about , NoSatoshisHear , you worked at intel yes ? in what chemistry was the i386 fabbed ? and roughly how many transistors on the die , to the nearest hundred thousand ?
asciilifeform: hey NoSatoshisHear -- you say you read the ffa series ? in what order of complexity does modular exponentiation run ?
asciilifeform: NoSatoshisHear: keys leaking also not so exciting, they can simply swap out the key in next chip rev
asciilifeform: or for that matter to 'start at $100'
asciilifeform: what's it mean to 'put a realcoin into the chain'
asciilifeform: which is why i do not see the various diy attempts to disable the particular ME, as interesting in any way
asciilifeform: imho the interesting aspect of the intel fritzchip is not that it is there, but that an unknown and unknowable number of items with equivalent functionality also there.
asciilifeform: have you been reading the logs, NoSatoshisHear ?
asciilifeform: this wasn't an engineer decision, but board 'decision' ( in the sense that if board tried to decide 'no', intel would have simply been given a new board )
