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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267767 << this is a CATASTROPHICALLY bad idea, because any attempt is simply asking for self-delusionary masamunification (sorry gabriel_laddel, but you know precisely what i mean.) -- this being, 'aha this is a turd, but WE made it and therefore doesn't stink and is somehow edible' ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267699 << this is an excellent point, and the standard narrative of 'progress, science' is very much reminiscent of the old claptrap re: 'building communism together!!11!!!11' ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 22:01:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266458 << the principal way through which the usg world of chimps succeeds is by getting the intelligent people to withdraw rather than kill them.\

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267676 << knuth also has no problem with spam. and for approximately the same reason. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267674 << the way this works is that google silently drops messages not coming from 1) itself 2) 'blessed' usg-megacorp entities ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267652 << do you ever, when driving car, think 'i need to harness more horses to this' ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.2/BUGS << list of selected cockroaches removed from the kitchen.

assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 06:26:09; mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> nano sources: Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 21,577 << win. srsly.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267625 << WTF why not counting libc !!!! ☝︎☟︎☟︎

assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 06:13:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267299 << there is incidentally a very fine use for macros : where you're playing eulora.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267570 << this kind of 'macro' has precisely as much to do with lisp macros as microshit excel macros do. which is to say, NOTHING AT ALL. they are as closely related as cat is to chair - both have four legs, that's it ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267551 << for what, exactly ? and did the asteroid hit, or what, is there a shortage of cn speakers now? ☝︎☟︎

assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:58:00; BingoBoingo: <trinque> I am trying to make a point of BingoBoingo's lamentations << I grad school I was in serious discussions where we lamented fiber optic was not used for project film over hundreds of miles.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267519 << the great inventor wheatstone wanted to build a telephone grid! but, of course, using vibrating piano wire. how else. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267505 << like a dung beetle, google does not devour anything valuable to you and i. the only possible exception might be the usenet archive ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267484 << this is an uncommonly poor analogy, considering that even the humble world of physical pipes is full of pipes which do not leak. trivially, e.g., a rifle barrel ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267483 << mircea_popescu: actually this is an order of magnitude tighter guarantee than ANYTHING pertaining to 'nano' or other c crapolade presently in use on your machine. ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:29:01; punkman: trinque: the web still exists; gotta deal with that monstrosity somehow << need a sane browser first, without JS. then we can start writing custom handlers for heathen websites that we are unable to view.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267355 << what is 'sane browser' ? if it is simply 'loads text', then mircea_popescu has it, run 'curl' ! but noooooo, you wanna read new york birdcage liner, aha ? then you're stuck with the shit soup, sorry. ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:27:16; pete_dushenski: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/08/a-white-guy-named-michael-couldnt-get-his-poem-published-then-he-became-yi-fen-chou/ << "Hudson’s critics said the literary bait-and-switch was fraudulent, racist and fundamentally different from Charlotte Bronte publishing “Jane Eyre” under the name Currer Bell."

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267350 << mega-l0l! can't wait for arbitrarily more of this! ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267296 << this. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267274 << gabriel_laddel: you are speaking mostly to folks who haven't grasped lisp. sorta like showing a modern army base to medieval commander - he will not be able to see past it being 'a terrible castle, where the fuck are the walls and moats' ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267236 << the path to fits-in-head STRICTLY depends on every particular thing on the machine being implemented ONCE. this includes lexer, parser, related items. ☝︎☟︎

kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267099 < dunno if magical, but still runs. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267210 << strictly when not hungry ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267211 << there is unlikely more than a GB or two worth preserving, period. ☝︎

shinohai: http://thenextweb.com/us/2015/09/09/john-mcafee-might-run-for-president/ <<< Wait until he gets pilled up on Xanax again and starts firing missiles at Belize.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267362 << word. so very much word! ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267355 << i must confess i am very much enamoured with the idea of a b-a web browser. ☝︎☟︎

gribble: Memex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memex>; Memex – DARPA's search engine for the Dark Web | Naked Security: <https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/02/16/memex-darpas-search-engine-for-the-dark-web/>; Memex In Action: Watch DARPA Artificial Intelligence Search For ...: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/04/10/darpa-memex-search- (1 more message)

BingoBoingo: ointer is varied as it moves, the line becomes light or dark in accordance with the potential." << Are we getting spooked yet?

BingoBoingo: s eyes, for striking improvements in stereoscopic technique are just around the corner." << This was Vannevar's design

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> (let* ((mjrcalc-path (qlpp "/lispy/")))... << How exactly to we trust this far before hardware?

BingoBoingo: <punkman> I assumed "save-as" meant a button already in my browser << Of all things Chromium on OpenBSd has this along with most other browsers

BingoBoingo: <punkman> save-as doesn't work << If it doesn't the problem is higher up your toolchain

BingoBoingo: <punkman> ben_vulpes: same idea, does vlc support as many sources though? << VLC, Parole, pretty much eveything works

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267314 << for the record, ascribing purpose to phenomena is basically animism 2.0, and just as medieval as the other thing. for all you know gauss was not "a bit of a coward", and your p[rojection into the future whebn discussing einstein more indicative of an anachronistic mind than some sort of valuable intuition. for all you know gauss just didn't think the idiots arou ☝︎

BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> youtube-dl? << Or save-as

BingoBoingo: mass of the inconsequential." << Critical application of actual hypertext

assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 01:39:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217142 << doesn't have to be a one size fits all. but if your software can't be built, your software doesn't exist. and it is still upon you to explain how you expect users to use your thing - nobody is going to go do the guesswork of "what the author might have meant", and ESPECIALLY no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else

mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> none of this is hard to code - you hack around until something "clicks" << this ftr is philosophically wrong. in that it reduces to the exact opposite of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-07-2015#1217312 ☝︎

BingoBoingo: How can one even pretend to have a hypertext spec or its substitute without citing <em>Vannevar Bush</em>

BingoBoingo: <trinque> spamassassin raping my VPS << I don't find email important enough to not outsource

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> whatever, the point is that the structure is available for me to make arbitrary computations against << FYIAD, I don't need structure: I eat, hang, and burn

mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> nano sources: Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 21,577 << win. srsly. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> "I don't want to see people who cite XYZ" << No who cites XYZ is how you make rope to hang

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> trinque: I have a listing of programs associated with my PGP identity, you can make references to them, and people will be able to see them (or not) based on my trust relationship with them... << It is essential for WoT to exist that I can safely point at the enemy's words and bury them in sulfur

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> I don't see how you'll be able to reference things on WoTnet further than "the joe I know with this pub key" << Publication. Paper and film only have the problem that they are slow and take too much volume for their information density. Why should machines not offer a path at least as safe.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267299 << there is incidentally a very fine use for macros : where you're playing eulora. ☝︎☟︎

pete_dushenski: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-upkJ-O10HnE/UDVo-nADThI/AAAAAAAAITk/PPcqRRrAY_U/w800-h800/photo.jpg << dilbert on google. apt.

BingoBoingo: <trinque> anyhow, I have made myself sleepy. I think most here would be satisfied with a simple hypertext system to replace the JS monstrosity of today. << Gopher is beautiful

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> dunno what I'm missing here << All of the shit you want to hinge on this

BingoBoingo: <trinque> I am trying to make a point of BingoBoingo's lamentations << I grad school I was in serious discussions where we lamented fiber optic was not used for project film over hundreds of miles. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> how many LoC is nano? << a large portion is what those LOC do

gribble: Microservices? What about Nanoservices? - InfoQ: <http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/05/nano-services>; Nanotron Technologies GmbH - Transceivers: <http://nanotron.com/EN/PR_ic_modules.php>; Máy lọc nước Nano, Nhập khẩu Nhật Bản 100% chính hãng ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkL5PSjMkdg>

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> mircea_popescu: the people who authored CL thought of your use case. << AND yet you Hearnia around the details

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> mircea_popescu: you're still missing the whole "bind *real-eval* to nil" part of the discussion << FUCK YOU IMMA DRAGON

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267251 << moreover, if gpg messages were code rather than data i'd have gpg rewritten to a thing that keeps messages strictly as data. BingoBoingo exactly has it : there is no room nor need for every bit of text to be "really code". i want my nano to be UNABLE to do anything whatsoever with the text. which is why i use nano rather than emacs. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> trinque: well these are all very good questions, but that's application development. << NO, this is developing separate universes

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> trinque: I don't see how this is a problem? << I am a librarian, a collector. I want to collect information without collecting a bunch of executable rat turds

BingoBoingo: <trinque> hypertext you understand is just an extension of what writing already was. << Seriously there is a specific harmless language or subset of language necessary for playing the presentation role. Something that by it's Phoosis can be presented safely

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it spills trans. << I though that was called prison???

punkman: trinque: the web still exists; gotta deal with that monstrosity somehow << need a sane browser first, without JS. then we can start writing custom handlers for heathen websites that we are unable to view. ☟︎☟︎

pete_dushenski: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/08/a-white-guy-named-michael-couldnt-get-his-poem-published-then-he-became-yi-fen-chou/ << "Hudson’s critics said the literary bait-and-switch was fraudulent, racist and fundamentally different from Charlotte Bronte publishing “Jane Eyre” under the name Currer Bell." ☟︎

BingoBoingo: <trinque> XML syntax is a heinous misstep that affords little, demands much << It is, and When gabriel_laddel talks massamune unfortunately I read XML or XML with paren

BingoBoingo: <trinque> no one says your qntras have to be parsable, but it might be nice if the language you configure your editor/DE/OS with is. << And at what point should barin authored text end and machine authored text begin?

gabriel_laddel: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html#sec-6-2-1 << check the image here out

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> punkman: you lose the full power of the programming language. << In nearly every case a 3rd part gives you code you don't want a full language. You want a plainly crippled language.

pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SzIXy-oFlU << if anything is microaggression, this is it. unambiguously directed yet so far from lethal it's laughable. ☟︎

assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 02:24:59; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266831 << i don't know the fella personally, but as i gather his main problem is starvation. it makes people foolish, i speak from experience

pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267085 << the famished take self-funded sabbaticals now ? not that mats is wealthy, but eating wallpaper he ain't. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> Incidentally, improving the browser interface is what I plan on using to punish interns / employees who create DSLs, configuration file formats, non-reader macro syntax extensions... << How is "improving:" and not "killing" the word here

gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265781 << I lol'd ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 21:39:45; ascii_field: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://www.sigsam.org/bulletin/articles/178/stoutemyer.pdf << some actual implementation details re: 'derive' & 'mulisp'

gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265693 << nifty ☝︎

gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265774 << I hack it using the parenscript REPL you can find in the Masamune repository. Mozrepl (the basis) provides some very rudimentary debugging facities that tbh, I almost never use due to a burning hatred of js and no reason to ever sharpen that edge of the blade. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: if gpg is so librarification-resistant, how have you jammed it into the cardano? << He only needs format comptibility

pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqfjiuqVrV4 << when usg says "jump," gates jumps !

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263077 << continuing our series of "power rangers are retarded lol", today's installment : bitcoind's idea of "passwords" allows digita and lowercase characters. no symbols no uppercase. not only does this mean a bitcoind pw is half the strength of a normal pw, but (the actual likely purpose of this retardation) it makes it trivial to identify wallet password lists. ESPEC ☝︎☟︎

gribble: Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries - Wikipedia, the free ...: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_to_Suppress_Counterrevolutionaries>; Campanha de repressão aos contrarrevolucionários – Wikipédia, a ...: <https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campanha_de_repress%C3%A3o_aos_contrarrevolucion%C3%A1rios>; September 2015 | prchistory.org: (1 more message)

ben_vulpes: "struggle session" << anyone have any decent literature? the only thing i can recall offhand is the book White Swans.

mats: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/Sources-We-were-pressured-to-weaken-the-mobile-security-in-the-80s-7413285.html << some engineers finally come out with the story

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so today i cut open the winblowz version of 'derive', v.6. it has mulisp buried in there!! a 32-bit version thereof. hand-coded in asm, at least partly. << I my cursory seach Texas Instruments apparently "owns" derive

asciilifeform: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5702/65435673.1d1/0_87bdb_b406c8ac_orig << american pooh

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266935 << how the fuck is this even supposed to work ? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266921 << dosimIeter check him out, he's developing a russki accent now. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: aha, if for eating, doesn't much matter if the nonpressurized parts are of zamac << Yes

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo, am i mistaken ? << $500 in US could buy quality eating pistol

assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 01:08:18; BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> hah i spent the equiv of his savings on Eulora stuff alone << Exchange rate adjusted I have spent more drinking at 2nd Mardi gras

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266887 << i managed to lose one of a set of historical bitcoin cufflinks last week. they cost more than his budget back before they became historical. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266873 << how much megablox-moving-horsepower does one get for 20 usd/mo, exactly...? ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266831 << i don't know the fella personally, but as i gather his main problem is starvation. it makes people foolish, i speak from experience ☝︎☟︎

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo next time film him, put him online. << He may or may not have been recorded. If his handlers read this they probably ought to see if their agent has a file with one of the more trusted local constables.

BingoBoingo: ks yo << And people were wondering why I wouldn't just plea out and pay a fine

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> “under federal law, a judge is technically allowed to sentence a defendant based on conduct that was uncharged, [or]charged and dismissed, or even charged and acquitted. That’s because the standard of proof at trial is beyond a reasonable doubt while the standard of proof at sentencing is by a preponderance, i.e. more likely than not. […] The government can dismiss charges if it wishes, but if the court thin

assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 00:46:13; pete_dushenski: http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/ << A) A Culture of Honor in part 6 aptly describes the wot

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266842 << ->> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998185 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: https://anonops.com << them ?