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mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe you're right, and the problem is i've predetermined not to see it. but then again this is a terrifyingly weak argument, because of its association with a dutch moron called søren, whose bright idea it was to propose that the reason you don't see what distinguishes his fsm from all the others is that you don't want to!!!
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 23:49 mircea_popescu: the result being that behaviour in the walrus gif
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244625 << Unable to find the first instance. Already referenced as existing a few lines up from the link ☝︎
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo , is exactly the item
a111: Logged on 2018-12-31 03:56 mircea_popescu: Mocky if this may help you take heart, ~everyone's employability is ~epsilon in the us. "jobs" work as alt-welfare conduits, no genuine productivity is present or contemplated.
mircea_popescu: well what is the difference ?! is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-31#1883795 the point of breakdown perhaps ? ☝︎
BingoBoingo: This walrus raping a penguin and getting the gull hot? https://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gifv
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu is aristotelically determined not to see a diff when it dun suit him, i got nuffin
mircea_popescu: the begging and the drinking are states, both items switch through them.
mircea_popescu: this is a difference of all the substance of "difference between car and car is that car is parked while car is moving"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: diff is that the latter goes around begging, whereas the former has some hole he drilled into fed pipe and drinks from it (while green comes out)
mircea_popescu: well, this is where the wasp analogy breaks down -- because there is no way to distinguish between the speshul snowflake "engineer" and the speshul snoflake douchebag.
asciilifeform: grr where was that old link, where walrus fucks penguin to death.
asciilifeform: do the wasps tho. iirc they're quite picky re pheronomal key.
mircea_popescu: distinguish nothing -- they just spray and pray.
mircea_popescu: chimichurri, who is a boy, went once to the lake, where a dominant duck tried to fuck him.
mircea_popescu: in the very strict terminology of the turing test : if you get a mystery box you can't explain whether it contains type 1 moron or type 2 moron.
mircea_popescu: ie, not merely "just says wasp". i am actually saying there is no way to distinguish between the two.
asciilifeform: from the pov of 'who does not want to believe, will not' ?
mircea_popescu: the "d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office" and " i'm not even convinced there's any meat involved" are physically and entirely the same exact thing.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-26 03:24 mircea_popescu: i see nobody wishes to engage the cunt problem. but yes, IT DOES RUN ON PERL.
mircea_popescu: yes perl scripts issued by the original perl interpreter ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-26#1111325 ) rather than ulterior models ~prefer~ to "conference butterfly". but this personal preference does not enact a difference. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it's that he is not AT ALL different from the morons.
mircea_popescu: it's not merely that he can't "progress" in "levels" such that empire gives him an exception.
mircea_popescu: but in any case -- regrettably, there is absolutely ~no glamour~ associated with the red stapler guy.
mircea_popescu: because you don't want to be.
asciilifeform: i'm not even convinced there's any meat involved in churning out 'information for it professionals' spamola
mircea_popescu: in that they're (as you well poined out) readily equivalent to "ai", they don't ~have to~ see a face.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in this the model breaks down, with the advent of pseudo"technology", the shy withdrawing type can "HackerCombat LLC is a news site, which acts as a source of information for IT security professionals across the world. We have lived it for more than 1 year since 2017, sharing IT expert guidance and insight, [...] " bla bla bla all day long. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is generally so, but usg is again perverse, 'terrorists' tend to get, when not hanged, 'max' (aka oubliette)
mircea_popescu: prisons are run with a view to economy -- to get something, you must first not need it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i got a secret for you : the shy withdrawing kind almost never get the hole.
asciilifeform: some folx in usaschwitz do their time in solitary, some in 3-man cell, some in 'general'.
mircea_popescu: cuz if it's the NOT, then what the hell's the difference ?
asciilifeform: solitary prison's exactly the model.
mircea_popescu: seems to me either you're arguing "berth of freedom from inca" or you're not arguing it. which specifically is it ?
asciilifeform: in point of fact usg tends to house'em in separate prisons.
mircea_popescu: are you proposing the general population and the solitary confinement are not in the same prison ?
mircea_popescu: so what is the difference ? that sees no human face ?
asciilifeform: m mircea_popescu's olympus they are indistinguishable, the way untrained human cannot distinguish 2 types of wasp necessarily, will think 'wasp'
asciilifeform: item contemplated upstack was no sort of 'berth of freedom from inca'. d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office, seeing no living faces other than in lift, is a thing, seen with own eyes. for the privilege he pays 2-3x tax ( and can , yes, be 'defrocked' at the whim of whatever gosplan commissions the workpieces, if rocks boat. ) however it is quite diff from life as inmate inside cube hell, subjectively. granted fro
mircea_popescu: rather than fantasizing about an island in the sea where they bla bla bla.
mircea_popescu: yes, but back then the bois aspiring to "an independent life" had enough sense to join highway brigands
asciilifeform: it didn't work in 1500s either, luther did not by own lonesome get away with nailing shit to the church door
mircea_popescu: the empire is more than willing to do without bread ; it is not willing to do without stupid.
mircea_popescu: point being -- the boyish fantasy of "i'll get SO SMART they'll have to let me be" does not in practice work.
mircea_popescu: if i had just said "they'll fire themselves" it'd have seemed like rhetoric.
mircea_popescu: right. so they fired themselves ? cool then!
asciilifeform: was their own inner devils iirc
asciilifeform: aite, aka 'having problems'. i thought we were discussing 'fired' in literal sense tho.
mircea_popescu: look in the history of early ustarded yahoos "starting businesses".
mircea_popescu: i understand why the notion is interesting, as i understand why the fantasy is appealing. but a fantasy it is.
asciilifeform: fughet 'thinkers'. not far from my street there's a d00d who sells cement drills. has for 20+y. his shop is the size of a public toilet, and staffed by his lonesome old carcass. who fires him ?
mircea_popescu: yes, this is how my life went in the ~other~ socialism ; and in the "transition" thereafter. but it is NOT the case anyone lives like this in the us.
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there is not the object contemplated in the reich : a thinker so valuable in his thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it is unreasonable to hypothesize ~the unreasonable~.
asciilifeform: rather than 'eats bank loans and pretense'
asciilifeform: is it unreasonable to hypothesize a shop that does actual biz ? of whatever kind, 'buy cheap, sell dear', parts for turbines, or whatever
mircea_popescu: or is this more of a "shop in the mind" sorta thing ?
mircea_popescu: whichever bank his last pretense to shopdom rests on, in the shape of bank accounts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the bank, to start with.
mircea_popescu: there is no engineer so valuable in his geekery he exceeds the valuableness of the last set of jocks to win one for the ole' red, white & blue.
asciilifeform: who fires the 1-man shop festival pisser ?
mircea_popescu: ie, returning conquering heroes. they didn't get away with putting the precious cuntlets in their tailhookers place ; and that was THE LAST TIME.
mircea_popescu: the last time anyone tried this test was specifically http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#selection-103.0-103.11
mircea_popescu: in the sense that if you, joe mc speshul, employed at excellence inc to do very-important-whatever walk onto campus during their "women can think" festival and urinate on the speaker in contempt,
asciilifeform: but in the sense of 'mamie on premises', from the inmate end imho it makes perceptible diff.
asciilifeform: in the sense that all of reich is subject to whatever 'labour law' etc. ? sure
mircea_popescu: in short : you ~did~ sign the damned thing whether they bothered to print one to give you to sign or not.
mircea_popescu: in some places. but in the fifty contiguous shitholes, it comes in "admittedly feedlot" and "deniedly feedlot" flaours.
asciilifeform: both go to make prime rib, certainly
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, should quarantine be established, the differences imagined by the cattle between billy bob and that slick asshole at the industrial farm down the streed vanish
mircea_popescu: consider the very similar case of cattle farm : cattle may think billy bob farmer is an ok guy, and doesn't even go to town that often.
mircea_popescu: and if you do not believe, the test is spelled out in ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ : start some shit about hot-topic-du-jour, see how "your boss" suddenly isn't what he seemed.
asciilifeform: afaik there isn't yet a thing where he gotta hire politruk to 'sexual harass' ~himself~
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for my enlightenment, pray tell, who is the 'hr mamie' when 1 d00d runs 'owner-operator' co ?
mircea_popescu: but just as there in either case.
mircea_popescu: in the end what i'm saying is this : what you perceive as two types (with, and without mammie) are the same type, with mammie. the without-mammie type is illegal. the perceived without-mammie type is merely a particularly cheap outft, where your position is so low you're not showed it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the small shitholes, 'mamie' comes mainly in the form of ruinous taxations ( erry d00d is taxes as 'businessman' , ~2x the usual rate )
mircea_popescu: the quataris also don't routinely introduce the indian slaves to the qatari admin office.
mircea_popescu: again -- just because you personally never saw the face of the usg allocated mamie in charge of usg.aspect in question doesn't mean jack. she's still there, and she's still getting the same per capita.
asciilifeform: "security clearance" bs << asciilifeform resigned from a shithole specifically when pressed to 'take holy orders', 1 time
mircea_popescu: they buy it with the franchise.
asciilifeform: note that the 'hot dog stands' aint any kinda 'workers paradise' , even tho 'no hr'
mircea_popescu: yet mocky is buried under the polar opposite of that -- "security clearance" bs.
mircea_popescu: to cursory examination it'd be the cheapest/sweetest fruit for them, ~nothing else a prospective employer could say scores nearly as highly with prospective employees ~worth employing~.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason neither methlabs nor sane workplaces ~advertise~. "come work here, we don't do the whole usg bs".
mircea_popescu: so yes, i guess "went bankrupt, totally existed, i promise -- never made money never had employees" etc works in the sense of exception.
mircea_popescu: pretense to the contrary howsoever instantiated notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: i guarantee you you signed "code of conduct" and promised not to "sexually harass" coworkers and filed in your tax forms and whatnot. ALL of the whatnot.
asciilifeform: or, say, the ones where asciilifeform toiled ( also defunkt today. but not killed 'because no hr' by usg, went old-fashioned broke )
mircea_popescu: when i discuss some random cuntlet and you propose she's inexistent, i get you concretes. when you discuss some imaginary item, you don't extend the same courtesy.
mircea_popescu: item expired two decades ago ?!
asciilifeform: even 'discrimination law' applies limitedly, to'em. i suggest to rftm, it's a thing.
asciilifeform: well forbidden is forbidden, neh. yet there they are, subcontracting for 'lockheed' etc, for decades ( and on occasion when inca deems it's time, 'have problems', joe stack-style, but not otherwise )
mircea_popescu: it is literally forbidden in the sense cooking meth is.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 16:12 asciilifeform: an incidentally interesting bit is that gardens are an 'unprincipled exception' in usgdom just as they were in su. theoretically a garden aficionado owes every 4th tomato or whatever his 'bracket' is, to usg, as tax; things that grow from the ground count, famously, as 'income' -- even if not sold -- per 'wickard v. filburn'
asciilifeform: it's forbidden in the sense gardening ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743774 ) is. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in the sense of meth kitchen not legal.
mircea_popescu: because the item you describe is ~not even legal~