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mircea_popescu: leaving behind a coupla kids
to "deal" with "the complicated legacy". you know p s hoffman ?
mircea_popescu: menalone llc will spawn as it's principal product, and
the spawn ain't gonna be like daddy.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:23 asciilifeform:
this was
the
thrust of asciilifeform's arg in
the orig
thread -- yes
there are still people-who-are-people. even inside reich. and no
they havent yet all hoisted
the republic banner ( each for own reasons, whether ignorance, or 'gotta pay bills NOW', or whatnot.) but
they do make
things worth having. and sell ( i suspect largely
to one another.. )
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885620 << i'm satisfied with my stance
that "this is all fantasy", if nothing else
then because even
the clouds make "patterns worth watching" now and again, especially as a function of mood ; and
time's certainly going
the way of my stance being correct, rather
than
the opposite.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: nope. analoguous
to "oh,
this bureaucracy can't just put mp-wp on, gotta spend 5mns
to pay some indian monkey $500
to wing an "in house" one overnight"
mircea_popescu: i recall recent example i put in, except for
the specifics. obama era meanwhile defunded pile of spurious posturing.
mircea_popescu: or any of a bunch of such ridiculous nonsense we mocked over
the yeears.
a111: Logged on 2014-07-30 13:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember
the story about gorby and andropov?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 01:09 hanbot most recently ran into
this particular flavor of wikiwank when looking for specific incident lead on ms-13
the other day, was bombarded by "trump falsely claims!!!"
a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 00:13 mircea_popescu: maybe i'm naive, but i'm satisfied with
the extant methods as
they stand.
mircea_popescu: happened plenty of
times. aanyways -- what problem is real
then ?
mircea_popescu: remember
that
time corp imploded
through engineers invovled
telling anyone not
to buy product, it sucks,
they're making way better one ?
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm naive, but i'm satisfied with
the extant methods as
they stand.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: imagine
this wonder, "we're winning world war 2, llc", manufacturer of extremely effectual shove handles.
THEY NEVER SPLINTER!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same way you signed a fg, which is
the exact same fucking
thing.
mircea_popescu: if
the standard is low enough for stco
to pass,
then 1941s france contained 10mn resistence fighters : 9.9 mn of which carefully preserved a room somewhere in
the house "where no german set foot",
through
the procedure of no german happening
to want
to.
mircea_popescu: dude's not publishing patches for anyone
to sign, and your kind if ineffectual attempts
to sign
them anyway don't enact patches out of a void.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you see some problem with distinctions in general or just some of
them ?
mircea_popescu: men alone are not actually alive ;
they are suspected of being perhaps capable of coming alive.
that's all.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:11 asciilifeform: and
the latter in particular counts in favour of
the hypothesis
that yes,
there's life somewhere, inca not exterminated errything.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885607 <<
this is where we do not agree. "Clearly Superior
Technologies is a family business." aka a dork manaloning somewhere with
the support of a dedicated wife does NOT constitute life ; much in
the manner "perhaps some bacteria on mars" does not mean "extraterrestrial civilisation".
☝︎ lobbesbot: BingoBoingo:
The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 19:16 mircea_popescu: as a factual matter,
there is not
the object contemplated in
the reich : a
thinker so valuable in his
thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1033 has ENDED: 500 wired filthy fiats (WU) SOLD
to BingoBoingo for 140mn ecu. Attn: lobbes
mircea_popescu: ~it's what
the words say~. it's not "clearly better
trackballs".
mircea_popescu: aiming
to replace
the entire
technological stack currently in use with
their own, better alternative.
mircea_popescu: well, somehow. by not being
too serious about
that "clearly superior
tech"
thing.
mircea_popescu: sadly, novelty name rather
than political declaration. but o well, better a fig
than nothing at all.
mircea_popescu: "Clearly Superior
Technologies is a family business. We
take pride in our level of service and
the quality and consistency of our products. We cater
to all organizations and individuals
that want or need easy button access and a large, easy
to control ball with a high degree of durability."
mircea_popescu: in
the end
this discussion
turned out most productive. it makes obivous
the distinction between
the latins (very much alive) and
the christians (deader
than disco) : i very much expect a phrase lifted from petronius
to ~work for me
today~ ; i entirely expect any clipping of
the "church fathers"
to drip more poison
than can be ever documented, and in no case be usable for anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform even as late as 2005, in
the subjective sense
that i ~trusted~
them
to.
mircea_popescu: in any and all cases --
the maker is he whose guarantee we accept.
mircea_popescu: until and unless human culture recoallesces into a form where i can
trust
their products, it will be
the case we have an orc culture, where everything's suspect of poisoning.
mircea_popescu: consequently, nothing of
theirs can be
trusted.
they don't have objects in
the usual sense.
they have religious artefacts.
mircea_popescu: the dead are distinguished from
the alive in
that
they're broken
the meaning covenant.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the only rerason it is a logic analyzer is your "perfectly working" stamp.
mircea_popescu: and
then
the conversation flows by itself, "suppose i
test one of
them artefacts and it matches
turbine ?" "then you have ~made~ a
turbine ~out of a~ religious artefact"
mircea_popescu: so basically,
that's
the dispute. you believe
turbine part is
turbine part qua se, and i'm gonna say, "but alf...
these aren't
turbine parts,
they're ~religious artefacts~. similarity
to actual
turbine parts ~coincidental~."
mircea_popescu: ie, you're a materialist-idealist.
though with some derrogations, you don't like importing
the code of
these
turbine makers.,
mircea_popescu: in
the end
this is
the problem, isn't it -- you
think
that ~yes he is~ making something --
turbine parts. as if
the parts have an existence beyond and above
the incadom
they're made in
mircea_popescu: how does "d00d designing
turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office" in incadom distinguish from spammer ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you were saying something like "lice are better
than fleas, because i personally have a serious problem with jumping" it'd even be one
thing, idiosyncratic but specific. what seems
to me you're saying
though, is "the flying mosquitoes are worse
than
the ones settled, because i hate flying", and
then beiung surprised by
the necessary and equally obvious "but alf --
trhe same ones fly and settle in
turns!"
mircea_popescu: i honestly could as well see it, for
the same money i don't see it. not like it costs me.