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assbot: OVERSHOOT LOOP: Evolution Under The Maximum Power Principle ... ( http://bit.ly/1BdrODl )
mircea_popescu: n his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on."
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller> and enron ruined pensions for everyone << if only. "My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to i
asciilifeform: aha, it's like the decision of how many thousand volts to use in electric chair
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 40% or 90% is purely a wordchoice matter, much like the zhim thing. 5%ish is where it matters.
mircea_popescu: PeterL being prepared. there's definitely going to be one.
asciilifeform: severe head trauma in childhood ?
asciilifeform examines source of 'gnatelim' and it appears that it is only able to snip dead code that is -actually represented in your source-
asciilifeform: https://github.com/search?q=gnatelim&type=Code << who can find anything there which isn't a) word salad or b) part of gcc ?
thestringpuller: "The total amount of United States Currency seized from the stops is: $13,647,160" << they just want new toys
thestringpuller: "The F.I.N.D. Unit has made forty-eight (48) traffic stops that resulted in the detection of bulk cash smugglers."
thestringpuller: the "evidence" is probably auctioned off under the table somewhere
thestringpuller: http://www.sheriff.douglas.ga.us/find.html << it is more of racket now me thinks
asciilifeform: wait till they switch from plain static robbery to racket
thestringpuller: in fact it is richest police unit in that county
thestringpuller: soul purpose is collecting those duffelbags
thestringpuller: so there is new drug unit in west georgia now
asciilifeform: incidentally, you will not necessarily go to jail - but the duffel bag - will.
thestringpuller: US just wants their cut (not like it helps since we are bankrupt)
thestringpuller: you can still go to jail for tax evasion
asciilifeform: laundries are as old as the state itself
trinque: yeah, I'm referring to a former friend of mine
thestringpuller: pretty sure no one went to jail
thestringpuller: d00d would just sell high end weed, and claim it as "consulting services" and would tax that
thestringpuller: so tru story: buddy from high school was telling me about d00d who was a drug dealer but setup "consulting" llc for "professional coaching"
asciilifeform is aware that we're probably boring the folks outside the u.s. zoolag to tears
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.zillow.com/blog/rents-up-not-where-you-expect-170427/ < rents in the us are nearly 10% YoY in some cities
asciilifeform: for a 'legit' firm, that keeps a single set of books and files taxes, etc
thestringpuller: my employer said this is totally normal tho!
asciilifeform: trinque: (a token sum was collected, but no one could be evicted for any reason short of death or having new digs in prison)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: hey you're the one who can't spend benjies without setting off alarms.
asciilifeform: trinque: know that no one in the ussr needed to pay rent
asciilifeform: trinque: read orlov's 'post-soviet lessons' to learn why the analogy does not apply
trinque: what do you think is going to kill us off?
asciilifeform: (what passes for money in this part of the world)
trinque: asciilifeform: even the fall of the soviet union didn't kill off all the former soviets
asciilifeform: neh, sorta the opposite
thestringpuller: employer treats you like thing and not person
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i don't even work at a place where they ask the question any more
asciilifeform: decimation: what made you think i have anything to withdraw ?
decimation: asciilifeform: what are you gonna do? withdraw your retirement with penalty and move to mexico?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform that is depressing!
asciilifeform: (nor, in general, should other u.s. folks, unless they're already very old)
decimation: I was just looking at the 'mid-cap value' fund from vanguard
asciilifeform: good thing i don't expect to live to pension age
asciilifeform: speaking just of old-fashioned taxes
decimation: asciilifeform: that's not even counting the fact that usd in your 'savings' account is continually thieved
thestringpuller: this is how I imagined QE though, some d00d at Fed typing "FUNDS FUNDS FUNDS" over again on his computer.
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/01/greg_page_on_fo.html > "And there have always been voices to let market signals determine how farmers planted their crops. Don't make people grow cotton just to maintain their base acres in the cotton program, when the world is crying out for more soybeans to feed itself."
thestringpuller: keep typing FUNDS. QE infinity.
danielpbarron: i could never get everyone happy even when i used to glitch to get "MAXINT" currency units
thestringpuller: that if 7% is still too high for high wealth sims
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what country << generally, the 'orc world' where laws aren't actually enforced unless you piss people off
thestringpuller: the funny thing is
thestringpuller: danielpbarron is my all time favorite person now
danielpbarron: a sim city still set to defaults
thestringpuller: my God what country is that?!?
thestringpuller: i would love to be taxed at 7%
mircea_popescu: any system where taxes exceed maybe 6 or 7% is de facto a command economy,
decimation: moldbug has a post about why central banks spend most of their time trying to figure out how to not move the market
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will remember we're discussing markets here. the phenomenon of alleged "prices" in a situation where the government is the largest economic actor is laughable anyway.
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform: buterin's waterfall is leaky tho.
asciilifeform is not aware of any successful instances of 'moving market', other than brute affairs like buterin's waterfall or the earlier and better-known gold price suppression scheme
adlai: i'm not sure the constructive uses of friction have any parallel either... beyond maybe as a cost of manipulation (when you don't control the tape)
mircea_popescu: that is the EXACT feeling it evokes in financeheads.
mircea_popescu: "how the fuck am i supposed to do any scioence in here!111"
asciilifeform: but what if the lab is not a lab, but a bomb whose entire purpose is to trigger earthquake
mircea_popescu: or anything else for that matter.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's somewhat like saying that 'engineers hate friction'
decimation: adlai: it's probably impossible to do something positive to emacs without pissing off stallman
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm sure the denizens liked it also. but as al said, 'first ecstasy, then laundry.' we're living with the results of '90s sv.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:07:20; danielpbarron: asciilifeform's got a good point though, with such little amounts you aren't going to move the market -- might as well just pretend trade in a txt file
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043311 << "moving the market", in professional language "slippage" is not a desirable phenomenon but the bane of all existance. ☝︎
asciilifeform: if i were to learn that he made his nightclub seed money by executing contract hits, rather than at netscape, i'd like him considerably more
mircea_popescu: i may even go so far as to say i liked the 90s sv o.O
mircea_popescu: i liked the 90s!
asciilifeform: just confessing that my overall burning hatred for the time, place, and culture in which he became rich & famous spills onto him.
asciilifeform: anyway, not really pissing on the man in earnest here
decimation: well, for one thing they stole mosaic
mircea_popescu: the www soup is scarcely to be pinned on one man, and if one man were to be found it's likely not this one.
asciilifeform: possibly because only fact i knew about him was him being involved in the dotcom bubble and being responsible for the steaming crock of shit that is netscape, and, by implication, the entire shit soup of www standards
asciilifeform: i have always had a mild dislike for jwz and was never able to articulate why
adlai: (for the curious/brave - http://dwim.hu (requires javascript and much searching as it's impossible to link into this 'website'))
mircea_popescu: yeah he has a disco in la he's been fighting the gobmint forever over.
asciilifeform: decimation: that's where he parked his 'escape rocket'
asciilifeform: 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.' ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: dwim is the shortest possible summary of how illiterate folks imagine programming
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this ancient fallacy has a name: 'dwim'
adlai: he seems to want free tech support
mircea_popescu: the crowning nonsense of all nonsense, seriously. why is it not obvious that if you give up agency you also give up... agency ?
mircea_popescu: not the past, as this never existed, but a magical future where things work by themselves in the way ~you~ want them to.
decimation: apparently jwz wants to live in the past
mircea_popescu: the entire "i want government to just work by itself and let me to my affairs" has worked splendidly in the us, 70s to 2000s.
decimation: mircea_popescu I thought you were just making a point about "I use this thing and it works" is so 90's
mircea_popescu: "I JUST WANT THE COMPUTER TO FUCKING WORK!!!1"
mircea_popescu: if one is willing to take this tack, i wonder why one's not going the whole nine yards and throwing out the keyboard.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 22:00:28; asciilifeform: i kinda wonder why poor folks are even interested in mpex (or, for that matter, schwab)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043293 << for the exact reason george costanza once pointed out. "it's there" ☝︎