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asciilifeform: when the planes are still flying
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it isn't foolish, but the time to do so is strictly -before-
asciilifeform: somehow everybody (at least every adult male) thinks that he's the clever bugger who will notice the things everyone else has overlooked, survive catastrophes that put the rest of the area to bed for good, etc.
trinque: I mean the cities wont be a risk to the rural areas after some period of starvation
danielpbarron: is it foolish to assume that I can bribe my way out of catastrophe?
PeterL: I was just trying to finish trinque's idea of hiding in the woods for 3 weeks
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't mean that I'd return to the city 3wks later
asciilifeform: PeterL: only in hollywood films do burned out husks of cities contain anything you would like to pick up - vs. corpses and unexploded ordnance
asciilifeform: even in a very optimistic scenario like ussr, the disappearance of 'business as usual' could last for decades.
PeterL: wait out collapse, then return to scrounge resources from ruins?
asciilifeform: you're still thinking in terms of temporary disruptions in 'business as usual'
asciilifeform: and live there for the rest of your life ?
trinque: let the cities burn themselves out
trinque: pick a spot far enough that no one hungry is going to wander there on foot
trinque: that sounds like surviving 3 weeks in the woods at most though
asciilifeform: major cities did not have populations of orcs ready to riot and burn;
asciilifeform: no one in ussr could be evicted from their income suddenly zeroing;
trinque: actually "in advance" would make sense if there were ongoing shortages
asciilifeform: trinque: try to remember the substantial differences between the two empires
trinque: asciilifeform: I would want to know whether that was mostly a reaction after collapse, or something which people had in advance
asciilifeform: trinque: accurate data is hard to come by, but at one point something like 80% of the calories consumed came from amateur gardens
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2013 17:41:46; asciilifeform: "There's a shift in people's thinking as essential items become scarce. They believe that... hoarders created the shortage... if someone can establish such a link between the crisis and you, you have a problem.'
trinque: I'd expect they were living off the state's teat mostly
trinque: asciilifeform: were all (former) Soviets growing their own food?
trinque: I mean if we're headed back to the stone age, might as well eat a bullet in that situation
danielpbarron: i still have those gloves and hat. not gonna say it isn't high quality.
trinque: this idea that people cannot possibly survive without vast supply chains is pretty new...
PeterL: but tools do not last forever
trinque: PeterL: you don't need infinite amounts of tools, once you have them
danielpbarron: and come to think of it, a lot of their industry was exporting to outsiders. things like "hand made whatever"
PeterL: danielpbarron: I imagine they have to import metal to make their farm implements, or are they doing mining and refining too?
danielpbarron: a lot of them had iPhones
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 100% closed cycle? no one taking modern pharma products of any kind? no electrical devices ? lit with candles, made of animal fat ? etc
trinque: the problem being the neighbors of course, in such a situation
trinque: danielpbarron: my parents have a farm that produces far in surplus of what they need
danielpbarron: I once visited a false church community in waco, tx (no relation to that other thing) and they seemed capable of sustaining themselves independent of any supply lines. But maybe all the ground tilling was just for show -- I didn't stay there year-round; just for a week for their "harvest festival"
trinque: bitstein: nice! I lived there for years, grew up in houston
asciilifeform: is this roughly analogous to marie antoinette's cake ?
asciilifeform: what are the folks 'fighting for texas' eating?
trinque: enough for pieces of the military to break off and start fighting for texas?
asciilifeform: when they go to the forest and blast away at bull's eyes, it's really a psychological release
asciilifeform: what's more, the would-be mutineers mostly know this.
asciilifeform: washington doesn't need to 'waco' them - just to stop sending the trucks (command economy, recall?)
chetty: right? left? too the moon might as well be. right and left don't make sense anymore
asciilifeform: trinque: as i understand, this isn't ru circa 1917, the hypothetical rebels don't 'just want to be left alone' - not one in ten thousand is able to grow anything edible without regular deliveries of petrol, pesticides, etc. ☟︎
trinque: invoke the "end times", etc
trinque: I could see someone clever turning them into a far-right movement of some kind
chetty: yeah, need the bubba effect to kick in
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't think things have gotten bad enough yet for them, the rednecks
danielpbarron: perhaps it'll be like with legal weed -- permitted to do bitcoin, or permitted to own a gun. choose one.
asciilifeform: it doesn't. ergo, there isn't.
asciilifeform: if there were a 'rural militia' with above room-temperature iq, usa would already look like iraq ☟︎
asciilifeform: (today's substitute for the maxim gun of the pinkertons, you could say)
asciilifeform: the 'hordes' are dealt with in the same way as anarchists 100 years ago - moles, stoolies, provocateurs, and, if these fail, massed attack with costly 20th c. armour/aviation
trinque: and people who actually know how to use them
trinque: asciilifeform: I think people who never leave cities tend to forget how much weaponry is just outside
chetty: walk softly and carry a big stick won't ever change, at least not the big stick part :)
trinque: they can try; there are hordes of rednecks in the woods already stocked up for armageddon ☟︎
trinque: I don't see how national-scale weapons control could be implemented in the US
chetty: they even ignore the courts, why bother with the silly 'public'
asciilifeform: sorta like the logic of nuke war
asciilifeform: PeterL: small nuance here, also. the 'jungle shells' don't have to actually be made to work, in a sense. think about how the 'gavin fork' thing, which died - or at least went into hibernation - merely from knowing that response is ready
PeterL: Apparently the government has started changing the rules, then asking for public comment (which they then ignore)
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 17:54:22; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was clear to anyone who gives a fuck that usg would target ammunition, rather than small arms per se, when it 'gets serious'
asciilifeform: PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034504 << original thread here ☝︎
PeterL: maybe asciilifeform 's desire to make bullet in jungle conditions is more urgent than we thought?
assbot: ATF Trying to Ban AR-15 Ammo Under Guise of "Law Enforcement Safety" - Katie Pavlich ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyOxBe )
PeterL: Trying to find a good link for this, http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/02/16/atf-trying-to-ban-ar15-ammo-under-guise-of-law-enforcement-safety-n1957622 ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sometimes discussed in historical chumpatronics literature, re: schemes to 'invest in xxxx, and once it tanks, we'll buy it up for firewood we promise'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this type of chumpatron has a name, though i'm blanking on what it was
BingoBoingo: The proposed a guarenteed payment pool for GPU miners where once ASICs arrived the GPUs would be aimed at other computing tasks
BingoBoingo: There's been a number of these things. This was actually one of the business's "CoinLab" explored
asciilifeform: and had to try something new
asciilifeform: evidently they ran short of chumps dumb enough to install the thing voluntarily
asciilifeform: but the sheer lameness, worth a discussion
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Possibly. Mentioned by name in the linked TorrentFreak piece.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.epicscale.com << the spamatronic 'cpu broker' used in the crapware described in recent qntra piece
trinque: I have a family member that's tagged for harassment at the border for political involvement in the 70s
PeterL: just needs a >S.MG</a> in there
PeterL: BingoBoingo: the link for s.mg is not closed, could you fix?
danielpbarron: PeterL, something's not right with the beginning of the MiniGame paragraph
asciilifeform: generally you have to 'win' the 'lottery' to get the full-bore arse search
PeterL: if you had one in your pocket instead of in case, would they have been interested by it?
asciilifeform: might have to do with 'lottery' system for inspections
mike_c: they didn't want to make you suspicious so you wouldn't see the people following you.
asciilifeform: i found this odd enough to still wonder why
asciilifeform: PeterL: when i went to mircea_popescu's conference-2, had an attache of rng samples, which nobody at any of the borders was interested in so much as opening much less demanding to know how to plug them in
asciilifeform: re: border searches - interestingly, if your cargo doesn't look like consumer electronics, the inspectors tend to ignore it (granted that it doesn't pattern-match 't3rr0r1s7!!!111')
thestringpuller: Everyone has meatspace things to do!
thestringpuller: dead as fuck in here today
danielpbarron: "Noticed the laptop was 'laggy' and then I saw the mysterious E in the taskbar. Blamed the kids again but then I saw the Utorrent update comments and bingo, me too," Ian notes. << people with children are pirating movies? ☟︎
chetty: and I can't type either :/
chetty: although I have crossed boarders in last year a few times with no problems, I am always ready
nubbins`: FWIW canada customs have consistently provided me with the least-pleasant border crossing experiences of any agency
nubbins`: chetty it amazes me that people still carry non-wiped devices over int'l borders ☟︎
jurov: ^ heh these utorrent forums. "account suspended"
PeterL: does therealbitcoin list have an rss feed?
mod6: up to height=288287 (static build)
mod6: then that'll be another version bump & release in itself.
mod6: i understand. i think the first objective will be to resolve that issue once we get the milestone "release" bundled up.