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jurov: phf there is no judge mircea_popescu wuld accept such "verdicts" from. remember when rota decided in similar way?
PeterL: mircea_popescu what about the part of the listing that says shares will be paid out a minimum of 0.00001 ? If selling the domain+code does not cover the 17btc shortfall and this minimum, are you and kakobrekla expected to pay this out of pocket? ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 15:56:32; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why would anyone step into receivership. a fee of anything less than the bill is lulzy small and will tar the receiver. doing it for free is chumpishly cleaning up mircea_popescu's mess.
solrodar: mircea_popescu: if you mean creditors, they have to respect their claims but they're ultimately working for the shareholders, right
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> i will be astonished if bitbet actually goes into receivership. >> and i will be astonished if one day you get off ass, actually do something. but then again, that's our respective problem. ☟︎
phf: ben_vulpes: hehe, the 5 stages of grief :)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you think mircea_popescu was murdered by cia and hitler wants the 750 betted coins to buy a new airfart-one ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, et al: is bbet for sale for the cost of the shortfall? or do i entirely fail to grasp the algo here
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it was a mighty fine mazerati, if beaten up, but now wrecked ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: waiwut
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why do you say dead ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: presumably receiver gets to operate bbet if he can make it solvent ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why would anyone step into receivership. a fee of anything less than the bill is lulzy small and will tar the receiver. doing it for free is chumpishly cleaning up mircea_popescu's mess. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 15:27:14; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu was moving coin that was legitly movable, as per the (rotten) protocol, sans fee.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes already thinks that mircea_popescu spent the betted coin on drink? or what.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lemme guess, you expect to see that he will turn down dooglus because he isn't active in modern wot, jurov because he agreed with nubs, you because usaschwitz inmate, and this leaves nobody so the bets get eaten ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: no srsly what haul
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: looks like !
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what haul
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 21:22:28; ben_vulpes: ascii_field: game theoretically permawedges obviously.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431714 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432045 << upon consideration the (absurd! ridiculous! i don't understand how the world works!) schelling point is for kakobrekla and mircea_popescu to split the haul ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu was moving coin that was legitly movable, as per the (rotten) protocol, sans fee. ☟︎
asciilifeform: because right now the only thing i read was mircea_popescu's 'and kakobrekla refused...' thing
asciilifeform: how is that different from ' mircea_popescu ought to have eaten the loss '
asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes well the question was not about bets. it was about how long you would have mircea_popescu wait for a receiver.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 21:02:54; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes eventually.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 21:02:11; ben_vulpes: "I will simply consider the matter moot." << and keep bettor funds if no receiver steps forward?
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 20:57:48; mircea_popescu: hence my comment about fragility. there are two main threads here that would-be bitcoin entrepreneurs must heed quite closely. one is that - your expense structure is not either a) in your own control or b) specificable. for as long as your business model involves bitcoin as it currently exists, you're doing the economic equivalent of linking remote dlls.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu will love http://woodcoin.xyz/woodcoin/2016-03-14#i_35977
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 10:20:24; mircea_popescu: ascii_field> anyone else here read the lee sedol games? << i've looked through.
mircea_popescu: xm2hi> yeah, and about the ecosystem that Mircea has created. impressive records. << - >> ascii_field> << there will be maxint of these now won't there.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: does the bbet receiver have the authority to determine the cut-off date for acceptable wager resolutions and to refund any bets submitted but deemed "too far away" for the receiver to reasonably hold the funds in escrow ? or is this line in the sand to be drawn by you and kakobrekla ? << in general this'd be the receiver's authority. a reasonable path is you know, get the domain, put up
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> was that the one where operator turned out to be << yes, with the reserve these ex post facto "turned out to be" things deserve.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field> anyone else here read the lee sedol games? << i've looked through. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2016 18:43:24; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo guy's pretty lulzy. piece pumping him, large lulz potential. jus' sayin'.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 21:13:18; ascii_field: ben_vulpes: folks have destroyed far more precious machines than bbet by elbowing 'wrong button'
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 20:38:09; ascii_field: is this traditional? (i am not connected with any of this, merely curious how it worx)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: does the bbet receiver have the authority to determine the cut-off date for acceptable wager resolutions and to refund any bets submitted but deemed "too far away" for the receiver to reasonably hold the funds in escrow ? or is this line in the sand to be drawn by you and kakobrekla ?
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 22:46:10; ascii_field: anyone else here read the lee sedol games?
mod6: <+ascii_field> from under every rock. << yes, im sure.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 21:40:59; mircea_popescu: there's been if memory serves exactly one case of delisted company on these grounds, bvps.
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/1900_killing_of_foreigners.jpg/350px-1900_killing_of_foreigners.jpg << for alf
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: bbet contract 3.1d refers to 3.1b, correct?
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
ascii_field: ;;seen mike_c
BingoBoingo suspects a very mike_c sort of flavor on this job
ben_vulpes: perhaps mircea_popescu plays a different game here though.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: game theoretically permawedges obviously. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i was thinking, interviews. think senate hearings for appointees.
ascii_field: so if receiver decides that all bets pay properly and mircea_popescu gets a 17 btc haircut, mircea_popescu will live with this?
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: see 4.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i could probably be walked through it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well no, you know how this sort of thing works ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so ?
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: for that to happen, the receiver'd have to invalidate mircea_popescu's charge.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: unless i misread, there is no way it can fully pay out bettors
mircea_popescu: like pete_dushenski, you busy ?
jurov: ben_vulpes: and i also have some 0.8btc skin in it
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: folks have destroyed far more precious machines than bbet by elbowing 'wrong button' ☟︎
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i'd open a perimutuel bet that nassim who play receiver, but i don't trust betmoooose
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: into completely opaque steel walls no less.
ben_vulpes: i've been told that i have no business saying anything about bitbet's business, ascii_field.
ascii_field: how would ben_vulpes have played it differently ?
ascii_field: or ben_vulpes disagrees ?
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 20:51:27; mircea_popescu: anyway, to be perfectly clear, i don't think kakobrekla did anything wrong at any juncture, nor am i privately holding anything against the man. while the outcome is miserable, i dun think there's necessarily much that could have been done to prevent it.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431616 ☝︎
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes eventually. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md8oz6nG7x1ra4kiro1_500.jpg << mask
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the way start-ups usually work is that they look good, but if forcibly deflated midstride it's tears all around.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu has grim but 100% accurat point, as often
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i'm sorry, what ?
ascii_field: wtf mircea_popescu invented it!111
mircea_popescu: ascii_field> bbet long pre-dates my study of mircea_popescutronics, and i have nfi <<< it's not terribly clear to me either, after all these years.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: creditors first, aha, after i asked, i remembered this
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-03-2016#1425896 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's how it's normally done, yes.
ascii_field: bbet long pre-dates my study of mircea_popescutronics, and i have nfi, was the plan that it could never incur unexpected expense ?
ascii_field: 'This line of credit carries seniority above that of shareholders and below that of bettors.' was mircea_popescu's earlier verdict, but now 'Bitbet's liabilities are currently comprised of various bills (such as the 17.94766149 BTC it owes as per this report, such as whatever fee it may owe the receiver for his trouble, and others as may arise), which are the most senior ; with the remainder to go to payouts to th
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: i dun think i ever actually saw mircea_popescu pick up pieces.
ascii_field: i can more easily see mircea_popescu raising a guerilla army in nepal or the like.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: which
mircea_popescu: ascii_field let me disabuse you of that notion right now.
ascii_field: eventually either the lizards will move, or mircea_popescu will grow tired of me, or my health simply gives out, and mircea_popescu will have to learn ada and relearn numbertheory himself...
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 14:32:19; ascii_field: my hypothesis is that he was not paid to lose, as such, but to keep a particular style of play, and he believed that he could win regardless.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431479 ☝︎
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: see logz from earlier today.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: your verditc is 'hrown matches'?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i have nfi what's going on with those two articles. they don't even make sense. << I'll get to cutting
jurov: http://techrights.org/2016/03/10/charm-offensives-distract/?_utm_source=1-2-2
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2016 13:14:31; mircea_popescu: let me enlighten you : it's "take a string that is definitionally misformed html, aka html soup, and transform it into sufficiently well formed html to render".
danielpbarron: paging punkman asciilifeform mircea_popescu