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asciilifeform: incidentally if mircea_popescu dun want to read re serp. scheduler, he dun have to !
asciilifeform: thread was strictly re 'canhaz block ciphers?' , rather than 'let's talk mircea_popescu into switching to $weird'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu actually kicked off thread where 'could have replacement ? ' so added one to the record, in case a replacement turns out to be needed.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu is a trained maths fella, in fact theoretically moar qualified than asciilifeform to have found it
asciilifeform: i had to algebraize the thing , and have just the right rng bits flip in head , to get the 'ceiling tiles' ( why didn't mircea_popescu get'em in '15 ? ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: she published vintage coad straight off my hdd, lol
asciilifeform: i found this (potential?) find by carrying out an experiment over mircea_popescu's objection, lol
asciilifeform: ( and , recall, mircea_popescu almost talked me out of it, 'nobody needs iron disk crypter with questionable serpent' )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i tried all kinds of approaches to breaking serpent in '16
mod6: mircea_popescu: let me know if you have any questions, ofc.
mod6: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WEUIy/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you haven't launched $billion mars probe with serpent in silicon. so you have option ( not proposing 'let's rabin! right nao!' , it's naturally a measure-7-times-cut-1ce subj )
asciilifeform: what i dun get is wai mircea_popescu thinks he has reached the place where 'no option' , afaik he hasn't baked $trillion asic . conceivably if mircea_popescu ( who 'i will live & die by factoring-is-not-in-P !' ) can reduce problem to factoring-not-in-P, he still has option .
mod6: mircea_popescu: on it.
asciilifeform: i certainly dun dispute mircea_popescu's right to do it, if he wants.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun get it , you'd willingly use a broken cipher to make a point ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 00:12 mircea_popescu: in-group signalling, obviously someone not in-group would not say "drumpf" just like that.
asciilifeform: ( pretty lulzy, btw, i had nfi mircea_popescu were so attached to serpent, nao i feel sad, it's almost like i killed his dog or wat )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aa i see what you mean
a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 16:55 mircea_popescu: Mocky Your comment on the following post is awaiting moderation: http://mocky.org/Souq-Waqif/ << nice cgi work keks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ideally you'd have some entirely unrelated mechanism, to do it with ( i dun currently have one to give )
Mocky: mircea_popescu, ok, thx
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho rabin is worth a look.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'destructiring problem' is universal to all systems, even rsa
asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu , did we ever figure out if blumblumshub were worth anything ?
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
mod6: Sweet, thanks mircea_popescu!
deedbot: mod6 paid mircea_popescu 1.50000001
mod6: !!pay mircea_popescu 1.50000001 ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 03:23 mircea_popescu: Mocky pedistrian. << pede.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1004 has ENDED: 9.5k wFF q0 SOLD to mod6 for 1.5bn ecu. Attn: mircea_popescu ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2014-07-19 03:16 mircea_popescu: so, this poor unfortunate soul found herself living her parent's dream : an assistant professor! at the prestigious ubb no less!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally. ( tho 'nadia' will prolly have to wait for asciilifeform to do it, before 'nadia did it' , like the prev time )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i.e. supplies it in rsa envelope ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for yer lulz collection, saw a chix in some public crowd, with shirt 'the future is female'
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 20:03 asciilifeform: in other lulz, mircea_popescu , diana_coman , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/holyshit.png << guess what.
asciilifeform: yrs ago i scoffed at mircea_popescu's model where 'they all got cucking wife', i scoff no moar
asciilifeform: how exactly does it go. 'hey, mircea_popescu et al. are buncha cannibals, lemme go and find... buncha tards, to handle mah coinz, instead' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, but still gotta wonder. rly, srsly, prb ??
mod6: He can come back here and make his case, should he even have one. Which, by my measure, he does not. But that's up to mircea_popescu.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok cool, if you don't mind then, I'll probably just do deedbot wallet since it's a bit quicker for me.
mod6: mircea_popescu: Hi Sir, if I win the auction here, how would you like me to settle? Via btc from deedbot-wallet, or via ECU and trade in eulora (this may take a day or so to exchange my BTC into ECU hope this isn't a big deal).
asciilifeform: i had an automata thing, but found that i could not in good conscience play it for the prize, i never found any approach to a proof that it dun have ( as mircea_popescu called ) 'kek state'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the bigger saddity, is that i dun have anything to offer to plug-in replace 'serpent', nao just as in '16 when mircea_popescu was offering prizes
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 20:03 asciilifeform: in other lulz, mircea_popescu , diana_coman , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/holyshit.png << guess what.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, mircea_popescu , diana_coman , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/holyshit.png << guess what. ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-26 16:56 mircea_popescu: ie, they'll buy your used underwear to wear on head just as well.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 19:59 mircea_popescu: though it seems on some level this is a religious behaviour, "very easy to come up with ideas very hard to evaluate them". well... something's defo broken then!
asciilifeform: lessee if mircea_popescu or diana_coman beat me to the pill, i'ma not spoil the exact algo just yet.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, thanks. interesting that the pressed READMEs before it didn't choke.
asciilifeform: but funnily enuff that was the only place i ever saw it, prior to mircea_popescu's mention
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is, try it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman ^ still needs the elementary reduction massage, but i went ahead an' posted, in case somebody wants.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, uhm, I thought that there was at least ONE thing clear: namely that "something's defo broken"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: loox, at least superficially, like a ok prng (for tetris at least). but how didja get the idea that it's fit for cipher ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, we agree on the result but not on the formula, lol; your formula says e(2)=p(2) xor k(1)*p(1) xor k(2)*p(2) xor k(3)*p(3) xor k(4)*p(4) right?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: multiplication with snipped off top half ?
asciilifeform: it's the reason for asciilifeform's lulzsubmission to mircea_popescu's 'block contest'. it wasn't even joak, it was 'rsa is the only tool in that box that i have any reason to think actually worx'
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 16:51 asciilifeform: the closest thing i can think of to a working variant of mircea_popescu's device, is where you keep the carries, and use primes... and we know it as.. rsa
asciilifeform: the closest thing i can think of to a working variant of mircea_popescu's device, is where you keep the carries, and use primes... and we know it as.. rsa ☟︎
asciilifeform: perchance i can provoke mircea_popescu into writing a proggy that deciphers ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, but uhm, isn't that precisely the example I give in the comment and which leads to the wrong value? this: but with the formula above it would be E(2)= P(2) xor 0*P(1) xor 1*P(2) xor 0*P(3) xor 1*P(4) = P(2) xor P(2) xor P(4) = 1 xor 1 xor 0 = 0 .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect roughly same dynamic as old-style spam. i.e. 'i heard others are doin' it, there gotta be moneys in it, so i'ma buy a webcam and interactivefetish kit'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wtf is that
asciilifeform: there's an imho moar pertinent mircea_popescu piece, where 'archaetypical kid made gift for mother, out of acorns and matchsticks' or how did it go
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 17:27 mircea_popescu: given the list of all the things that have been said already (this is really a tree, but in his perspective it's flattened into a list by nulling out all the values associated with the string nodes), his choice is :
a111: Logged on 2015-02-16 06:45 mircea_popescu: read one police report of crime x, you've read half of them. read ten, you've (practically) read them all. clinical psychology is only interesting to the patently insane, as a practice. otherwise all the notes say endlessly the same five or six things. there just aren't that many things to say.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall poor old al schwartz's reply to s.nsa ? 'if you succeed you will be killed or bought'
a111: Logged on 2015-09-11 12:10 mircea_popescu: Blythe Masters says US lags in blockchain use (ft.com) / Over $60 million in funding raised for bitcoin companies this week alone. / bla bla << "To sum up : what we have so far are a few millions invested in hopeless start-ups that have no talent, no business model, aren't solving a problem and generally speaking don't exist other than as a tag on an orange calling it a potato." / http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 13:27 mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-126940 << for your lulz compartment.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 21:54 mircea_popescu: K = 0101, P = 1110. RB = (1110), (1101), (1011), (0111). E1 = 1 x 1 x 0 = 0 ; E2 = 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 ; E3 = 1 x 0 x 1 = 0 ; E4 = 0 x 1 x 1 = 0 ; E = 0100.
diana_coman: for anyone following along, I can confirm I got same as mircea_popescu here: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867338 ☝︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : i'ma feed the thing into an algebratron later tonight
a111: Logged on 2018-10-21 21:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864445 << not so, was briefly dead but then adobe released a new set after 5+ years silence and it's catching back up.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, the parallel is actually quite striking, yes; otherwise though, if there is ONE thing that living in several countries teaches one is that there is nothing "Romanian" , yes
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 05:15 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll give lobbes 24 hours to confirm before submitting to assumed mapping
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll give lobbes 24 hours to confirm before submitting to assumed mapping ☟︎
auctionbot: Sell order # 1004 created by mircea_popescu: 9.5k wFF q0 Opening: 1.5bn ecu Ending: 2018-10-31 17:00:23.871700 UTC (47 hours)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 16:30 mircea_popescu: ~then~, after that gets established, one can step down, add another, and so on. like a steps process, with continuity and everything.
mod6: iirc mircea_popescu said we could even have three chairs(?) might be mis-remembering that (may have to log-dig for that). I'd be happy to continue doing my role with a TRB focus, or I could step down officially and just keep doing TRB stuffs without the fancy title.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu saw calendar in egypt, ditto
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Banksy is as best as I can tell unrepentant Pantsuit scum working for USG.blue
BingoBoingo: ^ asciilifeform mod6 mircea_popescu Please correct me if I have misunderstood anything
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we can agree to walk the key in same direction, we get same answ
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your 1st 'lmao will have to redo' is correct.
asciilifeform: also, mircea_popescu: 1 x 1 x 0 aint 1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's the k in my example, neh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'd be resolvable if that's actually what you had. but in fact you dun have.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i encrypt message=2 with key=10, i get same 5 as if i encrypt message=2 with key=10
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's RB ?
asciilifeform: ( and if mircea_popescu's point was that ~all~ present-day 'block ciphers' are reducible to some variant of it -- the point is made )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems to me that ~now~ you correctly defined... the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1867192 cipher. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: feel free to bake this by curing the little proggy pasted earlier
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'write-only memory'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gWzx9/?raw=true , satisfy yerself that it dun reverse
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your offsetting rotates (as e.g. ram on z80) or truncates? ( when message is shifted beyond the buffer bound ) ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meanwhile plz be so kind as to say how to decipher.
asciilifeform: btw i seem to recall that the original mircea_popescu & diana_coman thread where 'let's try serpent' turned up that the current 'paper' is not in fact the original, and the orig has evaporated. nao gotta wonder what was in it.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-26 17:05 mircea_popescu: yeah but suppose some bright kid walks into here one day with that item we all suspect is under a rock somewhere