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mircea_popescu: that also wouldn't be a trb server, practically speaking.\
mircea_popescu: trinque, let's go at this a different path. what would you even do with a trb ebuild ?
mircea_popescu: i evidently have, the damned story's in the recent logs.
mircea_popescu: so then don't go at me with "calibers" and other such selg-aggrandizing nonsense, mr alchemist man.
mircea_popescu: trinque, yes, but how about actually giving this teeth from the get go, in the sense of working out some sort of something that both conserves the gains and opens up gentoo to being raped raw
mircea_popescu: you understand this, yes ? there's no definite utility to computers. for all the promises of grandeur and wunderbarness, a gun's a gun's a gun, and a computer's a smartphone's a tivo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, there's nothing to do between a gun and a computer. a gun is a tool. a c omputer is a piece of shit.
mircea_popescu: trinque, if everyone includes ebuilds of everything and in a few years' time everyone's just doing portage because "it's easier, man" ima be very damn sad.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i mitigate this problem by very pointedly only buying certain kinds / classes.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem here is the implicit dwim-ism involved in "i don't have a vax/dec/cuisinart, i have a COMPUTER, as in the abstract"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, suppose fellow wants ffa. how does he pick the one he needs ?
mircea_popescu: just the "merely not liking rain doesn't turn off the storm" portion of it.
mircea_popescu: both the mips and the x86 ffas pretend to ffa, do they ?
mircea_popescu: because it doesn't seem like so much of an idea to me.
mircea_popescu: don't tell me your idea is "ifdefism only acceptable if done by hand"
mircea_popescu: if tomorrow we have a ffa-for-pc and a ffa-for-mips alternative, there WILL BE AN IFDEF.
mircea_popescu: to do the "ifdef vax" in a magically acceptable manner ?
mircea_popescu: and your solution seems to me a bit of smoke and magic, because what will you use to manage "which v tree, dec or pc" ? a vortage ?
mircea_popescu: now what's the idea, we'll keep it under glass and... not use it ?
mircea_popescu: well yes, but look here : at some point we decided to save the state of computing, specifically to avoid this "nobody has built since 2011, here have a
virtual machine"
mircea_popescu: they built this magical workaround their own idiocy. what the hell could it possibly consist of besides the devil himself ?
mircea_popescu: kinda what we're trying to figure out -- what we want and why we want it.
mircea_popescu: i personally doubt such a thing as a lisp portage can be made. but then again i have no coding experience.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, not if gotta ebuild. if you ebuild, suddenly python lives forever.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, nor will anything else made by idiots, which is to say 70% of the kernel and 95% of the userspace.
mircea_popescu: if gotta-have-python anyway, why am i wasting spyked's time with hutch&hoot, might as well use python for scripting.
mircea_popescu: trinque, do me a favour an' state the problem in yoru own words so as to see how synced we're here
mircea_popescu: he has a point there, in that at least portage will emerge a complete world, for whatever any other complaints one might harbor
mircea_popescu: and yes indeedy, i'd much rather mandate a "your project must buuld on gprbuild" than a "your project must include ebuild", if there's mandatin'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the main problem here seems to be "what allowances to build system do we make in the fundamental"
mircea_popescu: all this said, i don't believe if someone wrote an ebuilds for say ffa they'd thereby degrade ffa.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem remains, however, that a sufficiently large c/cpp code snippet will not build on any machine.
mircea_popescu: much, i suspect, like why and wherefore trinque 's stuck with ebuilds. "wtf do you want me to do, make sense of gentoo in my spare time !?!?!"
mircea_popescu: i am not even disputing that. i think large projects (ie, again, eulora) used it as a ... well, default evil. "gotta use something, wtf can do".
mircea_popescu: and the reasons we wanted v were very much specifically and centrally "so such a thing as portage is can NOT be had, and such problems as it solves can not be solved"
mircea_popescu: if we wanted fucking portage we could have just imported portage. but i think we just as deliberately did NOT want it ; we wanted v.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with it, it was so by agreement and deliberately not accidentally. now the problem of digestion, however...
mircea_popescu: i don't think it permits the notion of "package". but it will press to your intended destination, all leaves up to it.
mircea_popescu: traditionally most everyone uses autoconf/automake for build automation fwis. well, at least eulora does.
mircea_popescu: bvt i don't think it's wasted either ; and for that matter came off too strong on the side of whatever my point was there.
mircea_popescu: like it's nobody's child or something, always lastest at the trough
mircea_popescu: now for yet another half hour episode of driving the-sorta-people-nobody-here-knows-how-to-replace blind on nonsense strings.
mircea_popescu: !!rate danielpbarron -10 used to hang around here, meanwhile found greener pastures.
mircea_popescu: the procedure, transparently from empirical data as well as doubtless following their bayesian deductive logic would be, that since they no longer have the capacity to nuke anyone, it then follows they'll necessarily win a nuke war -- in the imagination.
mircea_popescu: oh, and also, the us.tards discovered "they could win a nuclear war"
mircea_popescu: next on cnn, a stupid cunt taking a dump in her own mouth. it gotta happen, because literally every other self-crit / over the top humiliation has been done to death.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of empire of stupid, the "lead story" for the past coupla days has been this incredible idiocy piece about how the femstate discovering it does not actually have operational capacity to launch planes / bomb places anymore is nevertheless a good thing, because "humanitarian" or some dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: yes. evidently the risskis put some actual work into establishing the format, rather than just seat of pants like the empire of stupid.
mircea_popescu: which makes me believe republican format otp should actually come as xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx [yyyy] blocks
mircea_popescu: a very useful tool for dropping the workload from ~50 minutes to ~30 minutes / otp is s/\n/" | sha512sum | cut -c1-2 >> hurr.txt \necho "/ and then comparing the line crcs.
mircea_popescu: and since i've been stuck doing a shitload of these by [slave]hand : the gpg format is fucking TERRIBLE, the small/caps duality is sheer idiocy (90+% of all errors and general slowdown on top of it because of shift) ;
mircea_popescu: trinque, for some reason, deedbot's not answering !!withdrawal !!v's anymore.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, twas tested, with a pile of results, months ago.
mircea_popescu: the sort of "before publishing, I'm making sure" idiocy is exactly, but i do mean exactly, of the same substance as the fat girl's "this donut has no calories". it uses the exact same parts of the brain in the exact same way.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: spyked, it is infinitely more valuable to have regular, fixed and SMALL intervals update, than to "achiever heroic tasks" or whatever idiocy the usual engineer shitbrain'susually after.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, just as long as we're not looking at june specifically. not to mention managing BingoBoingo / pizarro, such that the man has nfi what the cost structure's like and so following.