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mircea_popescu: ascii_field hey, we discussed last year
this guy
that was really butthurt about some professor stealing his invention ? up in canada ? something
to do with mathematica maybe ?
mircea_popescu: kinda how it only
takes a moment;s survey
to reealise a field/group/whatever will never amount
to anything worth
the mention.
mircea_popescu: anyway :
the people who never burn anyone elementarily fail at
this.
mircea_popescu: it may be good
taste, but it more likely is a firm decision
to burn anything and everything until it either behaves or goes away.
Adlai: pg: "hackers, like painters, both make
things" rando
troll: "so do chickens"
ascii_field: (paulgraham, pre-braindamage, called
the difference 'good
taste' but not sure if
this is descriptive)
mircea_popescu: people, if left
to do what
threy will, will just make piles of shit. it's what people do.
ascii_field: who in fact invented modern patent
trollage
mircea_popescu: for
that matter - electricity had a bad king, and it still sucks
to
this day, as discussed yest
mircea_popescu: (and before anyone wants
to argue re ford :
the man pissed on a field of patents, ignored
the law and basically ordered anyone messing with his stuff murdered.)
mircea_popescu: there's always going
to be fields with and fields without
the luck.
mircea_popescu: rocketry exists because of
that nazi us citizen, not because of any government, or other group of people. and on and on.
mircea_popescu: the car is functional
today
to
the degree
that it is functional for
this reason.
mircea_popescu: looky here : nothing works unless individuals sovereign over
them.
ascii_field: the sparrow may not be
to blame for
the spring, but
the matter of
the birdshit on statue - another.
mircea_popescu: next you're going
to
tell me growing autism is
the intentional effect of
tradecraft.
ascii_field: (pedants will answer 'desinfo ain't sigint' but in usa
they are presided over by
the same people)
ascii_field: and before we say 'the americans and
their wasted effort on pointless sigint' - let's recall how
they set up a whole planet as chumpers who can't access a sane computing system at any price...
ascii_field: just like
the other
tidbit from yesterday, re:
the arctic exercises.
ascii_field: mentionable, like everything else, so long as
the context is sufficiently obfuscated (or can be presumed
to be unknown
to
the chumps)
mircea_popescu: "we can't afford
to
train and
then
to lose
the agents what with
these new
techniques"
mircea_popescu: speaking of spies, i was kinda surpriosed
to see news item linked yesterday casually point out
the deep reason for why exactly us gaver up on actual humint
to focus on mostl pointless sigint
ascii_field recalls how richard sorge, perhaps greatest spy who ever lived, still stuck
to impersonating a german - rather
than japanese - official, while in jp
ascii_field takes off hat, does not know anyone else who would dare
to attempt it.
mircea_popescu: and if i couldn't
that failure'd score pretty high up on
the priority board.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu could convince an eskimo
that he is an eskimo ?
☟︎ ascii_field: didn't grow up drinking
their swill, speaking
their hundred-word language, watching
their sporting crud, etc.
ascii_field: could quite easily flunk
tests. could not convincingly worm into
the company of folks who grew up doing so.
mircea_popescu: "no need
to pay creators for creating - it's what
they do"
mircea_popescu: can you see how
this would essentially be socialist ideology ?
mircea_popescu: so you're
telling me you couldn't flunk
tests. because it's "in your nature"
to pass
them.
ascii_field: not sure if
this will make sense, but living as a stupid -social- organism
takes a lifetime of practice.
mircea_popescu: if
this condition is not satisfied, you're looking at mere kinds of stupid.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field
the difference between smart and stupid is
that smart can be stupid, but stupid can't be smart.
that's it.
☟︎ ascii_field: this is more of a 'that day was suddenly
torn limb from limb by
the other shoppers'
thing
BingoBoingo recalls suprise at mircea_popescu's default chimp being
the blowjob species
ascii_field: to get back
to original point,
that i attempted
to make, - division of labour exists, and not everyone is a universal and reshapeable everything.
ascii_field: (i very clearly recall incident of specialist who dealt with chimps in
the wild, getting 'chimped' after many uneventful years. but lost
the link.)
mircea_popescu: and generally
that
this conversation keeps sliding
towards less and less related stuff.
mircea_popescu: what is surprising is
that you're passing off chimps in a zoo for chimps in
the wild,
ascii_field: what is surprising?
the
thing has roughly 5x
the strength of a man, per gram of muscle.
mircea_popescu: "Andrew F. Oberle was giving a lecture
to a group of
tourists at
the Chimp Eden sanctuary on
Thursday when
two chimpanzees grabbed his feet and pulled him under a fence into
their enclosure, said Jeffrey Wicks of
the Netcare911 emergency services company."
ascii_field: 'when
two chimpanzees grabbed his feet and pulled him under a fence into
their enclosure...'
ascii_field: iirc
there is a hypothesis
that it is why
they attack - he fails
to respond
to some important chimp gesture of dom/sub protocol handshake
ascii_field: this is why
the zoologist gets eaten every
time
mircea_popescu: the other point, which for some reason you don't seem inclined
to appreciate, is
that if
the difference between man and beast doesn't exist,
then
the nominal difference is spurious.
ascii_field: put
the
two
together bare-handed - chimp will
tear off limbs and rape
the corpse
ascii_field: the point, which i evidently failed
to get across, is
that
the man vs chimp contest requires
the man
to at least get a chance
to sharpen a stick, in order
to use his advantage over
the beast
ascii_field: speaking of exterminating monkeys, recall
the
thread with
the strength of pan
troglodytis ?
mircea_popescu: you know,
the shapeshifting amoebic consistency of your position suggests
to me
that you'd rather it weren't discussed after all. which is it ?
ascii_field: but
the crashed pilot in
the jungle likewise plays with handicap vs beasts which grew up
there.
ascii_field: what
then is
the difference between he and
they
ascii_field: one man in
the field would likely fall
to sufficient cockroaches
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you propose
that if you were
taken
to a jungle, you would have
trouble exterminating monkeys ?
ascii_field: one could argue
that
this is not
true, and
that 'there is still as much work for systems engineers
today as in '70 - because nothing really works' - but 'as much work' does not mean 'as much employment'
ascii_field: one very important fact is
that a 'naggum' - if he is
the genuine article - is a -destroyer- of jobs for his own kind, rather
than creator
thereof
ascii_field: step outside of
this, and you are fighting with
the monkeys for monkey food.
ascii_field: there is not so much employment in
the world for
the 'naggum' variety of engineer. and one hundred percent of it is built on meat wots, years-long personal relationships and 'ins'.
ascii_field: can't speak for mats, but basic idea is
that once you leave your meatwot, you are a fungible machine.
this is a situation
that, as mats put it, 'resets you
to entry level' - and overwhelmingly favours
the very young
☟︎ mircea_popescu: that's
to be done with your
teachers, not with
the fucking employers.
mircea_popescu: you never, ever, no matter what happens, accept a metric
that puts you behind.
mircea_popescu: when you're old it's
time for "years employed" metrics.
mircea_popescu: when you're young, you only
talk in performance
terms.
mircea_popescu: fuck
that. why would you ever
take a standard
that disadvantages you ?
mats: after i clean
this up imma start looking, but, i'm still 'entry level' as far as years-employed goes
ascii_field: it isn't strictly an age
thing, beyond a certain point
mircea_popescu: he doesn't sound old enough
to need a job,
that doesn't sound like a job good enough
to want, etc.
mats: my manager dicked around on a server and
threw me under
the bus when he fucked up
mats: i had
the worst day
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 17:38:08; mircea_popescu: "Jaron Lanier is one of
the world’s great polymaths. He’s a computer scientist, composer, visual artist, and
the author of a new book, Who Owns
the Future?, published last month "
ascii_field: 'my fucking lottery
ticket should be worth $infinity'
ascii_field: at any rate, you will find
that folks obsessed with 'eternal copyright' etc. are invariably 'smallinteger-hit wonders'
mircea_popescu: pulp was never literature. it seemed like it, because of
the nonsenser
that was early 19th century new york.
mircea_popescu: as
they cheapened and broadened
they
took
their proper place. not because "there aren't real wearers anymore"
mircea_popescu: his nostalgia is misplaced.
the first
time
they came up with synthetic fibers people wore
them out of pride. "look at me, i am one of
those withthe industry"