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BingoBoingo: I'm going
to
think about it.
There's still
time
mircea_popescu: anyway, bitbet sports are iffy -
the one
time i put money on an obscure event i recall it being covered reasonably, like 9
to 1 or somesuch
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's what it appears
to be.
BingoBoingo: But
the fight isn't until May 2nd (3rd in GMT land)
assbot: Cause for concern? Mayweather and Pacquiao camps
trade barbs over
tickets, rooms, contract - Yahoo Sports ... (
http://bit.ly/1JufG49 )
BingoBoingo going
to see how baseball/hockey do
tonight and maybe submit
the funded bet
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. Him and Pacquiao have just been doing old people set up fights
these past few years, because boxing is uncompetitive as hell
stunna: BingoBoingo: I know extremely little about sports betting, but
there's probably enough people betting on
there
to keep
the odds at whatever
the official payouts are
BingoBoingo: stunna: Well, Bitbet would be lower fee
than a sportsbook (1%), just wondering if other money would come in
to correct
the odds.
stunna: BingoBoingo:
tickets
to get into
that fight are ridiculously expensive, $5-6,000 for
the worst possible seat all
the way in
the back
stunna: BingoBoingo: It's really all
the same EV + fees, would make
the fight more exciting
to watch
though if you put money down
BingoBoingo: stunna: Ah. I'm debating whether
to
throw down
to 2BTC necessary
to open up
the Mayweather Pacquiao
thing on BitBet, leaning
towards dumping my stake on
the Azn even
though Vegas is against him.
stunna: BingoBoingo: I agreed
to some guy's
terms a year ago for
the warren buffet bet
thing and he pulled out, I got lucky he got cold feet
stunna: BingoBoingo: With friends for fun sure but nothing
too serious
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: You got any
thoughts on
the fight?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems
the predominant name for
this match is "Debate 5 years
too late"
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform has never heard of either until now << Both fighters 5 years past
their prime. One Black, one Island folk. Both old enough hard
to see
this happening without a loss of life.
decimation: after all, when Linus promises not
to 'break userland', he's promising
to be a good slave
decimation: asciilifeform:
that's a good point. in many ways, controlling
the 'standard library' on a platform is way more important
than
the kernel
BingoBoingo debates whether
to seed Mayweather/Pacquiao on BitBet
decimation: actually I kinda wonder why ada hasn't gotten more
traction, given
that it is far more 'portable'
than C is
decimation: well, it appears
to come with a very well specified standard library
decimation: it seems
that any sane implementer carefully sticks
to a subset of
the language - or a particular compiler/library
decimation: and his marketing consisted of 'yeah we can include your crazy shit in
the language'
decimation: from what I gather from naggum, stroustrup basically spent most of his
time marketing C++
decimation: because you are immediately faced with re-writing
the whole
thing from scratch
decimation: C++ does 'just work' but if you want
to use
the standard functions in any way other
than designed it becomes a massive hairball
decimation: yeah for example I have been
trying
to 'optimize' a std::vector<std::complex<float >>
turd
decimation: ah so
the 'funarg problem' appears when you only use a stack
decimation: the guy claims
to have built a small hardware processor
that 'runs' picolisp
decimation: asciilifeform: have you ever
tried 'picolisp'?
BingoBoingo: I'm looking for Investment advice. Any
thoughts on Mayweather vs. Pacquiao?
mats: TIL AMD now contracts out
their fabs
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Fixed, was missing
the f in pdf
mircea_popescu: no wonder
the ancients didn't have "intellectual property".
too cultivated
to imagine it's workable.
mircea_popescu: mike_c ben_vulpes i seriously
thought i had come up with it,
then searched for it, found vulpes
mike_c: yeah? you claiming
to be gandhi now :)
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2014 16:43:00; benkay: bounce:
the only solution is
to be
the competent management you wish
to see in
the world :)
mats: scratch
that... 1995.
mats: really? i could attack
that on a laptop from 2005.
ascii_field: assure
that any decimalization had enough bits
to be precise
to a given number of digits). Stephen's aim seemed
to be
to sacrifice correctness for speed. He seemed clear on
that
the error was not a problem for him...'
ascii_field: 'My real concern, of course, was not
that he was using optimized data structures so much as
that he seemed on
target
to reintroduce numerical error back into a world
that we had worked hard
to make 'exact' (Macsyma used bignums from Lisp) or at least 'arbitrarily exact' (Macsyma had a derived
type called 'bigfloat'
that was internally a pair bignums, acting more or less as a ratio but with lots of other hidden bits
to
ascii_field: (gpl did not yet exist, and ianal, but
the story is complicated - it -was-
taxpayer-funded research)
ascii_field: and would not be bound by
the (iirc murky) legal status of
the stolen original
ascii_field: so
that 'serial number is filed off', so
to speak
ascii_field: and hired some folks
to cough up a gui for it
ascii_field: what he did was, essentially, steal a usg mega-product - macsyma,
the first really universal computer algebra system,
thousands of man-years of
ascii_field: anyway, i happen
to know more
than a reasonable man ought
to, about wolframism
☟︎ mircea_popescu: from
the idiots
trying
to get "real estate developments" on arid hills in south america
mircea_popescu: apparently everyone who's not proud
to work for corporate america a la buffett is busy
trying
to carve a small kingdom of flies
type of arrangement
ascii_field: 'mathematica' has competitors in
the exactly same sense
that mpex does.
ascii_field: the man is a crank who grew up as 'next big physics mind' who ended up coming
to nothing. but
turned out
that he was good at harnessing other folks
to pull his imperial cart.
ascii_field: to my great shame, i pumped
thousands and
thousands of usd into wolfram's pockets.
ascii_field: that prints his 'great insights' and
those of his user base
ascii_field: wolfram is sui generis. owns a
tame publisher, for instance
☟︎ ascii_field: 'Wolfram, for his part, responded by suing or
threatening
to sue Cook (now a penniless graduate student in neuroscience),
the conference organizers,
the publishers of
the proceedings, etc. '
ascii_field: how
the result was made public, but
to claim it for himself. In fact, his position was
that
the existence of
the result was a
trade secret. ...'
ascii_field: 'The real problem with
this result, however, is
that it is not Wolfram's. He didn't invent cyclic
tag systems, and he didn't come up with
the incredibly intricate construction needed
to implement
them in Rule 110.
This was done rather by one Matthew Cook, while working in Wolfram's employ under a contract with some
truly remarkable provisions about intellectual property. In short, Wolfram got
to control not only when and
ascii_field: he later backed down, paper was printed,
there were no lawsuits, iirc.