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trinque: I give ample shits about what happens
to my own hide
trinque: funkenstein_ | you might as well ask how you make anyone care about what happens
to
themselves << no,
this is automatic for me
Chillum: mats: historically civilizations do collapse so far, and no further. Even after
the fall of
the roman empire gold had value
☟︎ mats: buying gold for a crisis is a bet
that civilization will collapse
this far -- and no further.
ascii_field: Chillum: where do i leech 50 yrs of free
time and a semiconductor plant ?
funkenstein_: you might as well ask how you make anyone care about what happens
to
themselves
Chillum: It would be nice
to be born into a society
that had spent
the last 20 generations engaging in long
term planning
to make life easy
☟︎ funkenstein_: seven generations is said
to be goal for
those who would claim
to
think long
term
ascii_field: the only extant analogue of
this is
the multigenerational starship concept
ascii_field: because
the only approach
that i believe
to be correct, will result in something
tangible only long after we are all dead.
☟︎ ascii_field: trinque:
the normal paradigm of investment and return fails here
☟︎ trinque: say I'm
the firewall company, I'd not only make my
thing, I'd spend money punching holes in everyone else's products all day
☟︎ trinque: ascii_field: dunno
the answer, but
the question would be how you increase
the visibility of
the problem
to
those
that have resources
to fund
the
thing, but don't currently care
ascii_field: trinque: again can't speak for you, but i can't create
the customer any more
than can create
the weather.
☟︎ ascii_field: benefactor would need a
time horizon of 500 years at least.
ascii_field: trinque: arms races don't necessarily create long-term
thinking.
trinque: if you can't create
the product yet maybe
the
task is
to create
the customer?
trinque: ascii_field: sounds like
the kind of
thing you'd need an arms race and a benefactor on one side
to produce
ascii_field: and now imagine
that
this is
the only kind of doctor
there is.
funkenstein_: and
the payee decides what
that means i suppose?
ascii_field: but he is not permitted
to
tell
them
to stop drinking.
Chillum: retarded sells, just look at
the state of movies
ascii_field: it's rather like being a doctor who caters specifically
to alcoholics
ascii_field: the basic idea of
the
thread is
that no one is willing
to pay - as in, -really- pay - for non-retarded
things
trinque: ascii_field: yeah, plus maybe signing away certain rights
to what you produce? (I'd hope not, but it's common)
trinque: still going after weak enemies first seems a good way
to start anything
ascii_field: trinque: i presently do something very vaguely similar
to what you suggested, working for something
that could be described as an antivirus firm. and it eats most of my stamina.
trinque: you could build a product
that's an order of magnitude better
than what
they offer in your sleep
☟︎ trinque: to pull an example out of my ass,
there are loads of
these "managed firewalls" in american businesses
trinque: ascii_field: my observation is
that very intelligent people often overlook lower hanging fruit because it's uninteresting
Chillum: (bluing is
the discoloration metals show when heated)
Chillum: pure gold can be
tested by a blowtorch, if you make it glow red any alloys will result in bluing, pure gold will not change color
Chillum: you can go from nation
to nation and it have value
Chillum: it
traverses changes in currencies
trinque: ascii_field: so corporatize
the "chumpatron", not
the lab, and own both
Chillum: well as far as compact wealth
that is fungible goes it cannot be beat. Bitcoins are great if
there is still an internety
ascii_field: trinque:
this fails because
the subject of
the
thread is - as i firmly believe - necessarily
the work of -one mind.-
trinque: google is an ad company, gets
to work on self driving cars and whatever else
ascii_field: Chillum: read it. and understand
that
the amount of gold
that is -yours- is
the amount
that fits in your body cavities - and, with modern
techonology, not even
this.
trinque: ascii_field: re: earlier
thread, seems like it calls for a lab attached
to a (perhaps unrelated) other business
Chillum: I wish I had a satoshi for everything in
the channel
that was required reading
☟︎ trinque reaches
the
top of
the logs
Chillum: people get rich enough
that
they don't need
to delve into
their stash
then
they die without
telling anyone
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 20:46:17; asciilifeform: but, as every
treatise on
the subject invariably begins with, first
try
to understand what is
to be hidden - and from whom
Chillum: even
today people bury
treasure and die without recovering it
ascii_field: this is
the universal explanation for buried
treasure, incidentally
Chillum: unless people find out you have it... I really shgould not be
telling you guys about my gold!
ascii_field: Chillum: familiar with
the fact
that jars of roman gold, silver are often found even now ?
Chillum: my point is
the historically having gold has helped people in bad
times
ascii_field: Chillum: point being
that collapse leads
to a
trade in slaves without necessarily pausing for long at gold chains.
Chillum: though
traditionally it is hemp seeds, and is actually really good food
☟︎ Chillum: I am not sure
that happened during
the Zimbabwe collapse
ascii_field: and not for airdrop, but for a little gruel and another day of not being shot and
thrown
to
the dogs.
ascii_field: Chillum: it is quite plausible
to a large group of people
to pull gold out of
the ground
Chillum: I don't know why you
think it is absurd for a large number of people
to be able
to pull enough gold out of
the ground
to get an air drop
ascii_field: there was once an engineer who occupied himself with
the design of a kind of bathyscaph, a sort of 'mecha' suit in which one could survive being beaten and bitten by bears.
ascii_field: Chillum:
the entire exercise is what i call a 'bear suit'
☟︎ Chillum: regardless of how
they can afford
those resources
Chillum: the fact is
that anyone with enough resources
to survive will be a
target
Chillum: I have a bag of damaged rings, half a pair of earrings, links
that sort of stuff
Chillum: the idea behind broken bits of jewellery is
that instead of coins
that make you look rich it seems like you are selling petty amounts of scrap
ascii_field: or
the absurdity you were asked
to believe,
that villagers could have 'food flown in' in exchange for collectively 'picking up gold flakes'
☟︎ ascii_field: rather
than ripped from your fresh corpse by whoever.
ascii_field: Chillum: consider
the question of what kind of social structure has
to be in place for
the gold chain, etc.
to remain yours
to
trade
Chillum: not
that I
trust SDBs for more
than a backup stash
Chillum: I read
that
the banks stopped serving accounts but still operated safe deposit boxes
mircea_popescu: oh,
the weimar stuff ? yeah
that was incredibly disciplined.
mircea_popescu: there is such a
thing as group delusion.
that's how
the french ended up with
the urinals.
Chillum: I read a journal from a woman in Germany when
they had
their hyperinflation. She was selling
the links from her gold chain one at a
time
mircea_popescu: nor have you read stuff written by people outside of
this particular cultural space.
Chillum: I know during
the collapse in Zimbabwe people went
to
the rivers
to collect gold dust and pooled it
to have food flown in from out of country
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's
true
that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but
the
two are fundamentally unrelated, and
there is such a
thing as
the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on
the side of hte road.
mircea_popescu: they CAN be, but
they can also not be, and it's hard
to know aforehand.
mircea_popescu: i am perhaps
the only one here
that has actually gone
through a collapse, and if
that's worth for anything - goods aren't helpful.
Chillum: I prefer
to deal with other
types of people
ascii_field: leaving goodies for one's killers
to pick up.
Chillum: which will result in a desperation for any
trade unit
mircea_popescu: wouldn't just keeping a bunch of drug dealers (actual kind, not
the derps) on your rolodex work better for
the purpoise ?
Chillum: not prepared
to live in
the forest or anything
gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: I'll note
that without comprehensive design documents others have
to retrace your steps entirely and anyone who is a fan of your work is running on grey goo pipe dreams.
Chillum: so unless
they are
taken away or destroyed I will have something
Chillum: and for all eternity until computers cease
to exist
Chillum: I predict
that in 25 years computer software will be full of bugs and vulnerabilities
mircea_popescu: my question is, where did
the guy find condoms
that small.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field> and i could have easily built all of
this by 25 y.o. <<