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ben_vulpes: Citizenfive: i've barely scratched
the surface of gpg, and otr has no lineage in my wot so i describe
the
tools i'd use were i
to
think PFS useful for me
☟︎ Citizenfive: If we used
titles
that's what I'd be, anyway
Citizenfive: williamdunne: of a
thing called FNXGRU. It's not clearnet.
Citizenfive: I like PFS by default, and OTR makes
that happen in a fairly frictionless way. You are of course welcome
to use whatever cryptosuites you feel work best for you.
assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 02:31:01; Citizenfive: It's not a grand conspiracy of course;
there are no reptilian overlords, but
the state of
things is curiously perplexing.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 01:54:00; williamdunne: Citizenfive: Mircea just offered you a rating, and a compliment
to go with it.
assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 00:22:11; williamdunne:
trinque: It suits well for most people, as do day-jobs mocking factory-floors
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 17-04-2015 19:08:40;
trinque: BingoBoingo: anyone figure out whether ascii was fucking around or if
that was an actual impersonator?
assbot: Logged on 17-04-2015 20:27:29; pete_dushenski: ;;later
tell ben_vulpes but what if i wanna advertise my pgp version and its implied affiliations ? also, sorry for skipping your scoop mention in
the cavirtex article, it just seemed a little
tardy
to have mentioned it.
williamdunne: It was based off of
the Qntra comment, although apparently
the
trial is based upon
these characteristics: >> What do you say, Mircea? Are you a narcissist? "Narcissist" means egotistical, self-focused, and vain.
mircea_popescu: anyway, more about
this
tomorro i guess, it's been a long day.
tada.
mircea_popescu: eh in
the sense of "i
think i might have been raped" fits most modern descriptions of rape.
mircea_popescu: Citizenfive i was just discussing a snipped from
the
thing he linked
Citizenfive: I seem
to have improperly conveyed
the degree of importance I place on
this "word" stuff. It's not particularly important; don't worry about it.
mircea_popescu: basically,
this is not different from shanonizer (seen commonly in spam)
williamdunne: mircea_popescu:
This is
trial by a jury of your peers in
the WoT
Citizenfive: That'd be interesting, as I don't believe either of
those.
mircea_popescu: just because i do not wish
to be part of something
this
trivial
to attack, nor do i see merit in its continued existence.
mircea_popescu: you can't seriously contemplate a system so easy
t oattack. i will attack it.
Citizenfive: Basically, all can be sorted out via Socratic roundtables — everyone looking
to, fundamentally, prove
themselves WRONG, rather
than
to prove
themselves RIGHT. Eventually
the people at
the
table find and exorcise
their internal inconsistencies, and arrive
together at Reality.
assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 01:17:25; Citizenfive: Right now,
too few users of
the WoT know how
to use it *properly*, so it's not super important
to me at
this
time. When
that changes, I will use it.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I wonder what was said internally at
the SEC about your offer
to govern
the world of BTC assets?
mircea_popescu: if you've already lost
the war, why are you derping with axes and shit.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Well, depends how we want
to define governance
mircea_popescu: Citizenfive
the next
trick
to find is
that you can get people quite bothered by carefully using
their contributions
to words.
Citizenfive: The
trick is how
to discuss democracy,
then, when everyone has
their own idea of what it means. Or any
topic. I've found most arguments can be
traced
to
the arguers somewhere having slightly different internal definitions for something.
mircea_popescu: nigga... say wut ?! what "lack of governance" wonder be
this, of
the box so empty it doesn't even contain a vacuum ?
trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is
that
the words don't matter. << I used
to
think
this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: williamdunne suppose you have a five year old kid on your knees and she asks what happens if
there's nothing in a box. "well...
there'd be air" "no, not even air"
mircea_popescu: Citizenfive can you distinguish between
the "words don't matter" position and (mutatis mutandins),
the "BUT it is called
the “Worldwide Web” so
there really is NO chance of any site being 100% secure" ?
williamdunne: Would lack of governance not be
the alternative? (or self-governance if
that wording floats your boat).
Citizenfive: What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is
that
the words don't matter. And as a word, democracy seems
to have
too many contradictory definitions
to be especially useful as a descriptor. If US = democracy, well,
that's not good. If Switzerland = democracy,
that's a bit better,
though
the consensus is
that beast is a "DIRECT democracy".
mircea_popescu: there's really no alternative : either one or
the other. republics fail because not enough spartans, democracies are all one because idiots are all one. cccp was a democracy
too.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne anyway,
to do some positive work : democracy is
the notion
that what people
think matters.
the exact opposite of alf's favourite, "the cold equations" (which'd describe a republic).
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: My particular complaint is
that while we can evaluate who has more value in
this particular system,
the people with value's opinions have no more weight in process
than
those without. Hence a large number of welfare whores/elderly having a lot of influence
assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 01:00:47;
trinque: williamdunne: I
think
the idea is eventually
to have a full stack within
the WoT
mircea_popescu: merely
the fact
that
this question can be asked would seem
to pull
the rug from under yer feet eh.
Citizenfive: literally or as a joke ref
to Bill Clinton re: "IS"
Citizenfive: Right. And so long as people accept
that God wrote
the Bible because
the Bible says so, or a democracy is good because a "democracy" says so, will miss questioning what any of
those
things ARE.
mircea_popescu: which value you can only evaluate in a system
that's actually open
to idiots.
williamdunne: Citizenfive: Any system
that provides people with
the ability
to voice and attempt
to enact opinions
they are not qualified
to have is a bad idea in my books.
The crowd has no wisdom, select actors with value behind
them do.
mircea_popescu: any play's equally successful if played out for
the goats.
mircea_popescu: well you're right in
that it would
try and
to
thew same degree succeed
to masquerade as anything else, including a
teosophy.
Citizenfive: anyway I don't want
to get lost into semantics; I
think most here understand whatever system of governance
the US has, it manages
to masquerade as a democracy, and isn't a good system. Whatever
that says about
the word is less important
to me.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in orc speak, everything means
the same and is spelled "urgh"
Citizenfive: williamdunne: See! DIRECT democracy. Also an actual
thing, and a meaningful phrase. "Democracy" in REAL english just means "good" or something.
mircea_popescu: modern art is quite meaningful, yes. ever read
the "what is art"
thing ?
williamdunne: Citizenfive: I completely agree; but I will assume
they were going with
the definition of diluting power
to all, something along
the lines of direct democracy
mircea_popescu: we could say
that
the meaning of democracy is fundamentally undemocratic.
Citizenfive: It is useful in describing something. Like
the word modern. Modern car. Modern house. Modern, by itself, may or may not be useful. Modern art?
mircea_popescu: eh, democracy is a
thing, even if derpy iliterate muricans never bother
to learn what
the words mean. it's not gonna change what it is just because a bunch of people have nfi.
Citizenfive: DEMOCRACY isn't actually a
thing. Not in a meaningful sense. Hence every country is a democracy. A well-architected democratic republic has some neat features, for example. But democracy is kinda like an adjective.
mircea_popescu: "Over drinks last night, one of
the beautiful young ladies in attendance brought up
the question of ‘free will’ with me. " << eh petey...
mircea_popescu: williamdunne well, obviously it is
the answer, just, not
to any question worth asking.
Citizenfive: Because
the internet lets all minds who question
these
things find
these places, QED (probably)
there are fewer minds
than we'd like
williamdunne: Citizenfive: IIRC
the hunger-games author
though more democracy was
the answer
Citizenfive: Those who notice
the re-runs and recycled plots eventually wind up here, and a few other places where such minds go
williamdunne: Citizenfive: I'm probably one of
the younger people here, and from my experience
the biggest complaints are
that any sort of discourse from rhetoric is largely discouraged, and you are given almost no freedom as
to move outside
the syllabus.
Citizenfive: Authors and sci-fi folks have been screaming
this shit for years
Citizenfive: Not influential enough. But
then everyone
thinks Hunger Games is omg so relevant!
Citizenfive: It's not a grand conspiracy of course;
there are no reptilian overlords, but
the state of
things is curiously perplexing.
☟︎ Citizenfive: I believe
there are few good English-speaking minds;
those countries do
too
thorough a job of
taking children with potential and delivering batteries (as in,
the Matrix sort) into adulthood.
There are few Ender Wiggin minds left by
the age of 18.
mircea_popescu: well neither exactly. people as in people capable
to listen
to
themselves.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: People as if in people worth listening
to, or people as if in humans?
mircea_popescu: as oft said here,
the situation is so soviet it bleeds.
mircea_popescu: this is concerning, because it has
two possible explanations. one being
that my intel sucks,
the other being
that
the us is running out of people.
Citizenfive: mircea_popescu: small world. Extremely so,
though I guess bell curves and
the size of
the developed physical world explain most of it.
Citizenfive: Back when you were still on
Twitter, several moons ago
Citizenfive: Which means MP, no longer on
Twitter, still watches it (or someone noticed)
Citizenfive: williamdunne: I've known of it and lurked periodically over
the years.
This marks
the second
time MP has personally invited me, and it'd be rude
to not see why, at
the least.
trinque: mircea_popescu: must order someone
to copy it down for it << in 3 ring binders with
those fancy
tab-stickers
williamdunne: Citizenfive: So how was it
that you found #b-a?
assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 00:21:09;
trinque: fuck you, entire web
mircea_popescu: in other news,
these guys actually beat
the puerto madero dock. incredible walkers.
williamdunne: Citizenfive: "you're
the
twitter chick ?" - I'm assuming
this was addressed at you