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snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 << this is The Right Thing (it dun need 'latency measurer' or any of that!) but only ~half~ . rip out the cl-irc thing.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:20:54 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930233 << i dun really get what this is about, but anyways.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930302 << i got distinct impression that trinque is ripping own hair out from grrr re bugs in the (quite gnarly, i think was written in n00b yrs) cl bot

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 04:49:37 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930229 << you ever saw a ratchet work ?

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930260 << funnily enuff, not long before reading these words, asciilifeform was using an actual, physical ratchet... which... broke. and nao turns 2ways.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:56:34 spyked: upstack re erlang: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930095 <-- imho doesn't sound bad at all, given that e.g. feedbot threads communicate exactly through this type of message queue. meanwhile, I notice that there's a "lisp-flavoured erlang" dialect on teh interwebz, but no idea if worth looking into it

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930335 << this find is so monumentally terrible, that it is worth preserving in amber. ( and not on acct of the shithub, roundedcornerism, and misc. redditisms, but strictly from pov of the proggy per se . ) behold :

spyked: upstack re erlang: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930095 <-- imho doesn't sound bad at all, given that e.g. feedbot threads communicate exactly through this type of message queue. meanwhile, I notice that there's a "lisp-flavoured erlang" dialect on teh interwebz, but no idea if worth looking into it

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930246 <-- sooner or later /me is going to dive into sbcl, where he expects to find much of the rot that plagues e.g. python. so wut diff does it make?

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930226 <-- to be clear, discussion was re. rss bot, which is built atop trinque's bot. I made the mistake of having a long-running operation on the main bot thread, which is the same thread that handles pongs and does lag tracking. imho the fault was 100% in the feedbot coad, but if deedbot

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930247 << actually, they do.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930246 << and if you're going to stick it into cunt, what point has penis ? wtf q is this.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930241 << rather's the case, dude watched so much seinfeld he's so very firmly committed to non-committal he'll very happily die of it just to make a point "to the world". whatevers.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930233 << i dun really get what this is about, but anyways.

mircea_popescu: moving on through the list of slightly dissociated questions : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930234 << iirc he was declaring self outpatient by aug 9th ; but yes persona non grata here, as per

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930232 << but why duck ?!

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 << this is definitely a good q. /me goes to see on thetarpit.org, when's publishing scheduled.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930229 << you ever saw a ratchet work ?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930218 << nah. notice how these didn't exist on trilema except when specifically quoted. i let it go in eulora intentionally.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-09-22.log.html << maybe not, his logger shows most of them.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930209 << it's likely this is because they got re-encoded on his end ; it's also the case nobody gives a shit.

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930218 << 'tis mircea_popescu's chan, so his call. Though I imagine there is reason to keep them (e.g. maybe one day in the future someone wants to make a post re: "hey remember how IRC sucked?"). Point being: it was logged, so it is in the logs.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930234 << near as i can tell , mp drilled him a new arse and consigned him to штрафбат for cowering in a cave for yr+ , rather than for sitting in hospital. ( see also mp's 'nickel' article )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930229 << ftr i agree entirely with this , but -- did write bot, when mp blew into the bugle, sometimes gotta be done

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930204 << win!

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/eulora/2018-09-22 << ugh

lobbes: http://qntra.net/2019/08/us-army-officer-found-not-builty-by-reason-of-insanity-in-joyriding-case/ << BingoBoingo: s/Builty/Guilty

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/philadelphia-home-defender-who-shot-6-cops-allegedly-federal-snitch-violence-likely-intrausg-dispute/ << Qntra -- Philadelphia Home Defender Who Shot 6 Cops Allegedly Federal Snitch, Violence Likely IntraUSG Dispute

mircea_popescu: the operation then consists of : 1. FG -> I.W 2. if I.W = I.R, I.R -> O.W, such that if O.R >= O.W/2, next O.W goes through HF filling many offset bytes ; if O.R <= O.W/2, next OW goes through HG, filling one offset byte.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930033 << naively seems to asciilifeform that whole thing oughta be replaced with a single ring buffer, where 1) root can write 2) users can read (w/ settable max byte/sec quota/ea. perhaps) 3) erry read consumes a segment of the buffer, i.e. no 2 users get same chunk of FG tape 4) if buffer empties, machine goes into single-user mode and rings alarm .

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930032 << to return to this : when asciilifeform laid out the (~8 y.o.!) kernel , to bake the 'demo' image for 'M' , found that ~whole thing~ is written in this style. ( last dealt with kernel internals at length in '06-07, when wasn't ~quite~ this nauseating . or perhaps my stomach were stronger..? )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930066 << ftr i've yet to observe this 'silent wedge' effect in my bot (i.e. where the tcp pipe is 'alive' but not doing anyffin useful). tbf it is, what, only 3rd week of this bot.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930071 << the swedes had a model of programming which asciilifeform always wanted to steal, which was especially good fit for cases like this -- '9000' ultralight threads with ~0 spawn/die penalty, if you wanted to wait for an event, could spawn thread that does nuffin but ( and in turn if times out sends correct signal to

asciilifeform: * deedbot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) << trinque ??

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930062 << 4.1s here (1.3 if curl -H "Accept-Encoding: gzip" , weighs 256k naked, 58 w/ gzip )

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/truth-or-dare-in-bed-with-madonna/ << Trilema -- Truth or Dare (in bed with Madonna)

lobbesbot: nicoleci: Sent 3 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <mp_en_viaje> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4Ug9B/?raw=true

lobbesbot: nicoleci: Sent 3 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <mp_en_viaje> State of Florida Vs. Ruby McCollum, Defendant by C. Arthur Ellis << download this

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930027 << i run (iron) raid w/ ssd, but must point out, i rotate'em

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929954 << there's certainly substance to that "also failing her" portion.

mircea_popescu: this is in fact the definition, jungle as above, camp as in, <1minute.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929950 < it helps immensely if the woman can actually respect you, though.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929937 << keks.

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/us-army-officer-found-not-builty-by-reason-of-insanity-in-joyriding-case/ << Qntra -- US Army Officer Found Not Builty By Reason Of Insanity In JOYRIDING Case

feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/08/bits-and-pieces-of-linux-rng/ << bvt's backtrace -- Bits and pieces of Linux RNG

snsabot: Logged on 2016-12-28 16:44:23 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592214 << entirely possible folx weren't aware of phuctor, it's not exactly advertised much. (then again, cue mp's "they don't have a right/privilege not to be aware"..)

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/italian-left-right-coalition-government-collapses/ << Qntra -- Italian Left-Right Coalition Government Collapses

asciilifeform: similarly to 'vianna <-> zurich', this also imho slightly laggier than ordinary globe would suggest

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 18:31:09 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mp_en_viaje , spyked , et al : http://18.195.64.227/log << copy of 'rubbish mirror', identical (same 'dollar store' pseudo-isp) but this one in frankfurt. try the same timing w/ it.

asciilifeform: draw -- map. 'why is vienna <-> zurich , apparently as far as moon' etc

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929847 << btw I checked this to be sure, and looks like EDIS moved my 'node' some time ago. No longer in Austria as I thought but instead in Switzerland. Plox to s/Austria/Switzerland on all past timing reports.

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-09-16#1543393 << more to the point.

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929908 << yes, specifically I'm reminded of your tales you told of one salt mine (ascii_butugychag period?) where you could not *think*; this was how it was for me except when *not in the mines*. It is so nice to think again

asciilifeform: trinque: atm the bot on dulap is 'naked' <-> fleanode

asciilifeform: 'they're pretty much the only linguistic group very much in danger of mistaking industrial sounds for speech. Careful if you, for instance, use a can of compressed air to clean an old motherboard -- it's entirely possible the resulting vijiieli, indistinct as they may sound to your ear, nevertheless insult the Polish passerby's long dead relatives in the sauciest of manners.' << asciilifeform falls down.

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/a-little-bit-of-that-old-world-charm-style-grace/ << Trilema -- A little bit of that old world charm, style & grace.

asciilifeform: phuctor for 1st 2y of its life actually lived in a sqlite, and in fact this was faster than pg when data set weighed <1GB

asciilifeform: lobbes: it aint a very 'hungry' proggy -- e.g. the db presently weighs <70MB

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929816 << on heavy page test, I get the following: NC : 0m1.711s, Austria VPS : 0m0.379s, Piz Rkchp : 0m2.054s

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929767 << tyvm

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 11:52:47 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929749 << today <50kB/s...

asciilifeform: diana_coman, mp_en_viaje , spyked , et al : http://18.195.64.227/log << copy of 'rubbish mirror', identical (same 'dollar store' pseudo-isp) but this one in frankfurt. try the same timing w/ it.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929749 << today <50kB/s...

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 08:48:36 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929711 << this is possible if the intercontinental interchange's fucked. which...

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929795 << the measurements strongly suggest this.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929757 << certainly seems to go with historical practice

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929711 << this is possible if the intercontinental interchange's fucked. which...

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929705 << now that's pretty cool.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929777 < this, obviously is the exact complement to the oft-repeated "now that i write article 2, i find article 1 useful ; there was no way to evaluate this utility at the time decision to write article 1 was to be made" re blogwriting.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929650 << if nothing else, will tell us some things, similar to your point before. mystery delay will de-mystify through usage.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929636 << was more like "intelligent" router, ftr, but yeah.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-18#1929619 << nice.

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929659 <-- PM works for L1 and L2; in-channel is limited to L1.

feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/on-relationships-or-how-pretense-kills/ << lobbesblog -- On Relationships or How Pretense Kills

asciilifeform: ( i.e. pretty fast connection reich <-> reich ; palpably slower piz <-> reich )

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929696 << from my chair here in North Carolina Usgistan, my 'real' is 0m0.227s

deedbot: Invoiced trinque 0.01645328 << Colocation + Shared August 2019

deedbot: Invoiced lobbes 0.02894981 << Rockchip and Shared Hosting Quarterly

deedbot: Invoiced jurov 0.01445328 << TBF Colocation August 2019

deedbot: Invoiced diana_coman 0.10429931 << Rockchip w/ FUCKGOATS, Annual, Through July 2020

deedbot: Invoiced bvt 0.002 << Shared Hosting Monthly

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/200-us-ceos-sign-pantsuit-pledge-declaring-primacy-of-social-and-political-goals-after-other-us-ceo-confirms-usg-malice-pursuing-said-goals/ << Qntra -- 200 US CEOs Sign Pantsuit Pledge Declaring Primacy Of Social And Political Goals After Other US CEO Confirms USG Malice Pursuing Said Goals

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929694 << this is worth expanding on. asciilifeform also gets very fast pings ( never moar than 200msec, to date ) and fast udp. what i suspect is, usg's snoop gear that sits as parasitic toad on south amer's pipe, specifically slows down tcp.

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( and imho further suggests that pipe is culprit ) << My desk offers "0m0.073s" suggesting geography may be at play

asciilifeform: pipe delay ( piz <-> asciilifeform's chair , cannot be generalized to entire planet ) varies from 0.2-0.4s (for revvup of tcp pipe, that is)

deedbot: Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.051 << Buy order # 1055: 500 WFF

lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 20 minutes ago: <lobbes> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hCbR8/?raw=true

lobbesbot: lobbes: Sent 4 hours and 18 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jlW5I/?raw=true

feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/znc2tmsr_etckvvpatch/ << lobbesblog -- znc2...atch

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-borderline-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Borderline. Adnotated.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22alice_m%22 << look at that.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-18#1929551 << this i suspect is right on the money. consider the liquishit that was printed in the interwar years.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 09:05:23 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929434 << sword takes training to use this way, noob wrists get tired. i can't find now where i put the "two smgs, make sure you mow down everyone in your car then come out screaming and flailing armss down the tunnel with the rest of the muppets, let Inca sort you out"

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-18#1929516 << my understanding is that folx who choose swords, tend to be the ones who practiced with same

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 09:07:42 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929437 << this is iffy. fuel-air bombs win over nato rounds (and most all other nato ornance), which is why russia picked htem as their doctrine, because they're less-worse in the context, not because they're unisersally good.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-18#1929520 << imho the correct historical comparison would be, rather, mcarthur's 'fire jobs', rather than modern-day item made for puncturing fortifications.

mp_en_viaje: "However, the program becomes more complicated when the two copies of the base document are not identical. In these cases the patch program must do the best job it can in applying the " << motherfucker monkeys, how the fuck did this rank imbecile manage to make stupidity sound like "a challenge" ?