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asciilifeform: nao iirc there is finally a gnat built on 5. but i have not tried it, and can't yet think of a reason to try it

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i tried recently to build a chroot with 4 from the machine with 5 to no avail

diana_coman: or a knot I suppose; note*

diana_coman: make a not that there are negative, "non-natural" numbers, what else is there to do, lol

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reversing winturds, possibly surprisingly, is little different : a good 80% of the binturd has no arithmetical reason for being there

mircea_popescu: incidentally, walked past item in market yest, "and god walked the earth, and came upon a man who was so very poor

mircea_popescu: can't even walk into a bar walk away with a woman.

mircea_popescu: i get abo9ut one a week but this one's very good

asciilifeform: lol, nao this is a first on asciilifeform's watch, ro spamola

asciilifeform: returning to dictionaries -- it's a piton, for penetrating the otherwise impenetrable n00b texts ( e.g. children's lit ) . not a 'hey i am nigerian and i found an englisch dictionary and nao i speak to you about our road to riches and fame'

asciilifeform: learnable-from failures are a rare luxury even in engineering

mircea_popescu: now, one could say "but of course, mp is rich, man of leisure". except... i STILL didn't have a particular destination / timetable as an eight year old. if anyone's ever poorer than a child...

mircea_popescu: this is also why i've not learned say sanskrit, and why i despise indians as the cultural construct. bitch, interrupted classics isn't a qualifier, if all the jews had ended in 300 ad they'd be in the same pot.

mircea_popescu: i can't answer for others, but i, a man with no particular place to go and no specific time to be there, find in general the approach endlessly entertaining. go into a two day loop through whatever lang's dict after having read a phrase in some classical work.

asciilifeform: also i will note that english is a pretty poor example for this thread, it is missing so many pieces that folx who ~think~ in it are visibly handicapped in all walks of life, not merely for learning ro

asciilifeform: i won't disagree that translative dictionary is only good for reaching takeoff velocity, and folx who try to ~write~ using one, rather than using years of actual literature eaten, are in a state of sin

mircea_popescu: gains ~not just for the "new" language~! the old one as well! i'm a much better english speaker than absolutely any esl speaker BECAUSE i speak a bunch of other languages that ARE NOT english, which STRENGTHENS my english.

a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.

mircea_popescu: it's not FORBIDDEN. but if you insist to break the "why do you think you have anything to SAY yet" rule and instead of reading ro text with ro explicative dictionary as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580455 jump ahead to trying to ~produce~ ro text on the basis of your english ideas augmented by a english-to-ro translateatron, the result will be that you'll end up with a subset of romanian as permitted by your english ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'get a harem of aboriginals, fughetabout dictionaries' such classic road cone.

mircea_popescu: the way adult woman is deflowered is EXACTLY same way she'd have been deflowered at 14, were she not a retard at 14 : cock goes in.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740380 << dafuq, how's a n00b supposed to work with an adult dictionary ?! ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740246 << "as many as 150" is a very lulzy statement on the importance of democracy / community / etcetera. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 00:06 BingoBoingo: In still coaster lollers: "Thiel's departure from Y Combinator was not previously announced. It comes long after Y Combinator president Sam Altman defended Thiel's role at the accelerator, following criticism of Thiel's support of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump. A source close to Y Combinator said that the company ended its part-time partners program, which Thiel was a part of, some time last year. While some other part-time

mircea_popescu: but this is an universal problem of all languages advanced enough to have a dictionary -- the "scholars" are too dumb to produce the correct item.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740234 << dexonline.ro has a large and afaik downloadable db. ☝︎

asciilifeform: it's a massive and varied refuse pile. the technical types are ~100% cn.

mircea_popescu: it'd have made a nice triplet tbh.

mircea_popescu: recently, gave a bunch of chinese intel workers this distinction. it's practically speaking the Order Of UStards are Retarded, first class.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've known more than one fellow with a "us court conviction" so framed and displayed. amusingly enough, these are STILL produced.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740200 << reminds me about that sf piece of alt-world in which time machine was invented but restricted to "academic and research usage", wherein a dude discovers all the "primitive savages" he is "studying" are similar students, they're4 basically studying each other's execution of what they themselves think past wast. ☝︎

asciilifeform: at this point i suspect the remaining ones are, to a man, chinese coolies. send'em a tax bill, they'll shrug and take it home to pekin when their tour of duty ends, frame on a wall.

mircea_popescu: no graduate student is a person, nor ever was, wtf already.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a staggering ammount to the schmuck who fucks my receptionist because i can't be arsed to kill flies yet goes about pretending is human being and all that.

mircea_popescu: which is the real lulz behind that "decimation of american productivity". usg.blue lost "american" trademark, did not REALISE this ; lost also tax immunities, and HAD NO IDEA. only approximation is a cow so dumb it only notices someone cut off its legs when trying to stand up.

mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuvPhAuQFD4 << "this is over. what are you ? face facts. you're a schmuck, calling himself "graduate student" who shags my receptionist and then wants to sit at the grown-up table talking science. but it's my fault. i aaaalmost took you seriously. please go away! we have absolutely nothing to talk about. you have nothing in your pockets! you are not an agent here. you are not an agent at all!"

mircea_popescu: $50k a year "staggering ammount", dork wants to pretend like he has anything to say on any topic ? POOR PEOPLE MAY NOT SPEAK.

a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 20:44 asciilifeform: in other butthurts, https://archive.is/nw25r >> 'For M.I.T. students, this waiver keeps us from having to pay a bill of about $50,000 every year — a staggering amount, but one that is similar to the fees at many other colleges and universities. ... But under the House’s tax bill, our waivers will be taxed. This means that M.I.T. graduate students would be responsible for paying taxes on a $80,000 annual salary, when we actually e

a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 20:09 ben_vulpes: lol argentina had a submarine?! https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/world/americas/argentina-submarine-missing.html

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740178 << much in the way usg had a frigate^H^H^H^H littolol combat ship ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-11-06 12:59 mircea_popescu: spend the usual 200 hours/week connected to irc and doing whatever clerical tasks provided. must be native chinese speaker with a reasonable command of english, she's not expected to take calls or anything in it.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740158 << not an actual thing yet, just a very loose spec-doodle of an eventual item ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 14:20 asciilifeform: back to coreboot, fwiw i have a working build for 'pcengines'

ben_vulpes: relevant barf from a failure to emerge 'dev-lang/gnat-gpl'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the interesting part is where you change 1 byte and you get sony's copy protection in a new package.

asciilifeform: they carry no meaning at all. change 1 byte and you get a turd every bit as large as the genesis.

asciilifeform: iirc asciilifeform actually posted a binturd bios once, that he cracked ( for stinkpad x60 , which normally refuses aftermarket nic )

asciilifeform: it's a perfectly ordinary use of sig ( supposing one remembers to write proper disclaimer, 'i sign what i found , from wherever' ) . but not of v -- the diffs aren't meaningful

mircea_popescu: a binturd is a binturd.

mircea_popescu: i would much prefer to have a v-root for whatever bios, with the binary clearly laid out, so people with the competence can take it apart. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740127 << i wouldn't be too worried, trilema serves up to 5k simultaneous connections off a single box. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: eg, originally phuctor box was specified with lots and lots of ram, then software improvement brought that original perceived bottleneck ~in line with the others so overram no longer a critical measure of box quality. and so following.

mircea_popescu: and ideally derive some mutual-support benefit, such as A gets to use B's bios even if it wasn't the top of his list of needs.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740118 << precisely. self-interest is intended to pull the republican cart here. everyone is very well advised to take the matter seriously, do his own research for his own needs and let's see if we can distil it down to a workable list. ☝︎

ben_vulpes: likely has to do with that this box is running gcc 5.4.0, i think i have to figure out how to make a gentoo with gcc 4.9 ☟︎

ben_vulpes: tried both binturd from libre.adacore and a portage ebuild

BingoBoingo: partners moved over to a program called "experts," which provides advice to Y Combinator entrepreneurs, Thiel did not join."

BingoBoingo: In still coaster lollers: "Thiel's departure from Y Combinator was not previously announced. It comes long after Y Combinator president Sam Altman defended Thiel's role at the accelerator, following criticism of Thiel's support of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump. A source close to Y Combinator said that the company ended its part-time partners program, which Thiel was a part of, some time last year. While some other part-time ☟︎☟︎

ben_vulpes: has a very long barrel for leads, which is great for heavy writers or people who like hard leads like myself

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's a standard ada operator that sets an array to 0.

ben_vulpes: le wik maintains that baton rouge event did have a cophunter in attendance

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re 'other side', recall that usa a bestkorea where ~everything~ is, at least on paper, taxable -- e.g. if i work for a butcher and he pays me in the form of letting me buy 10 chickens a month for a 1 $ instead of 50 $ ea., this is considered taxable just the same as if he paid in buxxorz

a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 19:58 asciilifeform: 'Mr Vancel said the men were shooting at each other before the officers arrived. "This was not a 'come at police' situation they weren't targeting the police at first - I don't assume so - because these were men out here shooting at each other in an empty parking lot until the police showed up and it turned into a gun battle," he added.' << lel

ben_vulpes: to take the other side for half a second, who says that i can't charge whomever i want whatever i want for services?

asciilifeform: ianal but there's a genuine eggog in there -- either that 50k is ~income~ for the chump^H^H^Hstudent; or it ain't, and it then also is not expenditure ( i.e. something to be written off taxables ) for mit

ben_vulpes: the refusal to accept that they're just playing a different lotto is so tasty

asciilifeform: somehow it is a-ok for folx who win a toyota in a lottery to go broke, from sudden tax owed. but ohnoez, try an' tax pantsuit 'leading tech institution' dim bulb folx...

asciilifeform: arn $33,000 a year.'

asciilifeform: in other butthurts, https://archive.is/nw25r >> 'For M.I.T. students, this waiver keeps us from having to pay a bill of about $50,000 every year — a staggering amount, but one that is similar to the fees at many other colleges and universities. ... But under the House’s tax bill, our waivers will be taxed. This means that M.I.T. graduate students would be responsible for paying taxes on a $80,000 annual salary, when we actually e ☟︎

BingoBoingo: ""It's a penis." That's the explanation! The kids will be able to handle it." << Then why all the fuss when adult women get shown penii!

ben_vulpes: in other well-trained children, $child just attempted to put himself down for a nap in the comfy chair in my office

ben_vulpes: "it's a penis!"

ben_vulpes: lol argentina had a submarine?! https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/world/americas/argentina-submarine-missing.html ☟︎

BingoBoingo: Departures from there, particularly to greener pastures tend to inspire much hope. I don't expect many of my fellows there wake up to a battleship in their coffee though.

asciilifeform: Ingolfr_Arnarson: it isn't a complicated item, but does demand a sane rsatron

Ingolfr_Arnarson: I am just curious because I mentioned the idea of getting rid of dns and someone who actually reads the logs sent me a link to the article about draining the DNS Swamp.

trinque: opteron's a safer bet

trinque: asciilifeform: beefiest xserve was a dual proc 2.3ghz, tapped out at 16gb ram

diana_coman: PeterL and anyone else following along on keccak: 2 more problems found so far in the ada code namely 1. in the pi permutation it's the *output* coordinates that are calculated as Y, 2*X+3*Y based on input at X,Y and not the other way around; 2. at iota the corresponding round constant is xored into a(0,0) only, not into all the lanes of the state (following permutations will propagate the round constant)

asciilifeform: enough room in the eeprom for a kernel as payload, even.

asciilifeform: back to coreboot, fwiw i have a working build for 'pcengines' ☟︎

asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque ever found a rack mount multicore g5?

a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 06:10 mircea_popescu: a v-root for proper box software (bios, grub, etc) very much in order also, twinned with box standard.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> may take some finagleing, usg.dns decided to be a bitch about ips so as to force ipv6 uptake. << Either way LACNIC is cheaper/(less competition for space) than APNIC

trinque: most sensible databases amount to ramdisk stores on a db that size

BingoBoingo: For webhosting though, one has to remember that hosting typically means MP-WP which can tax a database if the traffic is there

BingoBoingo: Hence this is the stab at a basic box. Board widely available, has serial header, but only one ethernet port so not useful as router

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> trinque better idea is that we have to figure out what boards/etc we're buying. a "standard box of the republic". << AHA, this is why cost of dedi box hosting not yet spec'd

mircea_popescu: a v-root for proper box software (bios, grub, etc) very much in order also, twinned with box standard. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: trinque better idea is that we have to figure out what boards/etc we're buying. a "standard box of the republic".

mircea_popescu: may take some finagleing, usg.dns decided to be a bitch about ips so as to force ipv6 uptake.

trinque: relevant to carving up a U into VPSen for folks like lobbes

BingoBoingo: A camera is has

mircea_popescu: a yeah, pack a camera, you'll get to give my travel posts a run for their money eh.

mircea_popescu: look moar insistently lol, network that moved millions back when we were unseating the whore face couldn't have evaporated in less than a year eh.

mircea_popescu: montevideo + buenos aires (it's a few hours by boat/bus away sorta deal)

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo trade teh bitcoin out then, buy your ticket, go there with a gangsta roll.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is that a yr's worth of accountant ?

mircea_popescu: jesus that's an expensive corp. 60x what rando us agent charges for a scorp ?

BingoBoingo: I am glad to offer: 6283 (or 5150, unclear yet if VAT'd) off the shelf SA corp including lawyer, notary, and accountant fees, 1500 to set up the rack, 600 to LACNIC as a nano size ISP for IP allotment, 5335 for first month's rack rent, 341 for fiscal address and space with lock 24/7 access to coffee pot, 1200 budgeted to switch and router (actual likely closer to half that), 3200 putting Bingo in Montevideo (actual likely less budgeting