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Namworld: You're trapped overpaying for a big space. That's the real prison. Small space, you're basically free to do whatever and have the luxury of free time with less stress.
asciilifeform: 'the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread' (TM) (R)
mircea_popescu: lolz all you wish, but let me tell you something : to anyone i knew in the 80s, "you will never own your own pair of jeans" would have been possibly the worst conceivable curse.
Namworld: I feel much better having a small living space and more spare money than I can use than having a big place with only crap to put in it and struggling to afford anything but paying for a large living space.
mircea_popescu: always the same one!
asciilifeform: Namworld: paul erdos, one of the greatest mathematical minds of his century, owned - a suitcase and suit.
Namworld: I wouldn't consider myself to be merely existing. But it seems as such for you.
mircea_popescu: sometimes i think i'm too terse. then i look at the logs and shudder. what's a gal to do!
Namworld: Oh... but what's the criterion to be considered living vs existing?
asciilifeform: which one? that jail is waiting?
mircea_popescu: Namworld, copy this man.
asciilifeform: there is 'live' and there is 'exist'
Namworld: This document from 2012 seems to say a carton of 200 smokes were ~$77
mircea_popescu: http://digitalmoneytimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/shutterstock_120783400-300x199.jpg << anyone explain what the advertising-exec looking chick is doing in that pic ?
asciilifeform: Namworld: one way to 'smoke' 1000/mo. is to live in usa and pay it for 'health insurance'
Namworld: mircea_popescu, not always. Even then, I don't see many smokers smoking enough to burn almost $1000 a month.
Namworld: You have to enjoy headaches and/or brain aneurysm.
asciilifeform: Namworld: wait till you meet the folks struggling on maximal salary
Namworld: No. Feels like I have everything I need. I'm just perplexed by people who don't have the excuse of kids struggling on minimum salary.
mircea_popescu: Namworld so then what's the bitch ? you're not seriously contemplating cutting out of that 500 are you ?
Namworld: I have rent, electricity bill, food (good food and delivered at door), cellphone and Internet all fitting within ~$500, depending on food selection that month.
asciilifeform: unrelated - anybody read the magnetics links ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe they were goldfish, i dunno.
mircea_popescu: hanbot as big as the penis, it's a rule.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, ya been watching too much breaking bad
mircea_popescu: where's that butters instructional video...
Namworld: Yeah, I wanted to, but I didn't have the hat.
mircea_popescu: plus those platforms with live koi
mircea_popescu: why not ? they get kickass hats.
cazalla: you'd be better off using the spare rooms to grow dope than renting them out Namworld
mircea_popescu: Namworld so send the roommate out to turn tricks ? should be 100 an hour at least.
Namworld: If only that... $420 rent here, split in 2 for a 1 bedroom. I'm installed in the living room/kitchen as if it was a studio. Roommate in room.
mircea_popescu: as hanbot sez, "the space to draw one's conclusion is big and fulla dragons."
mircea_popescu: little do they know.
mircea_popescu: noob energy futures traders, irl.
mircea_popescu: but it was fully unintentional, they just kept running themselves into the wall
Namworld: 99c a kilo? Never seen anything that cheap here.
mircea_popescu: in the end i got however many free megawatts.
mircea_popescu: cazalla i had an entire fucking lulz with the elec corp in romania. they wanted to give me a deal if i prepaid, so i prepaid for like a year. then the eu elec price explosion happened, and so they paid me to get out of the prepay deal. then prices went back down.
asciilifeform: cazalla: take a roll of toilet paper home from work each day << top soviet state-of-art.
cazalla: and if you're really game, load up on top cuts from supermarkets but weigh them in the self-serve as carrots
cazalla: and as i've mentioned a few times before.. take a roll of toilet paper home from work each day
cazalla: mircea_popescu, lulz no but for anyone else, retention staff often have better deals than pay on time ask no questions customers, so you port your electricity/gas to another provider, old provider comes back to you during cool down period and offers something better
asciilifeform: Namworld: and what's the minimal rent there?
Namworld: I often hear living in the city as someone poor (minimum salary) is harsh. It always seemed a bit absurd to me. Minimum salary here is ~$1400 per month after taxes. CAD$10.55 per hour.
cazalla: Namworld, know the get a discount on your bills trick?
Namworld: I don't see what you mean then.
mircea_popescu: there is that rabi and goats story, but no. ☟︎
Namworld: Well considering I don't have a harem... that's not really something I have on my mind.
mircea_popescu: the best advice i can give is, if you're having the girls living separate, pair them up. much happier girls, cheaper.
Namworld: I'm completely derailing the current topic, sorry
Namworld: What's the opinion in this room about living expenses? What's acceptable % of revenue wise, how much should it costs, what's important stuff and less important stuff.
asciilifeform: what ruined, very mundanely, is that it was part of reagan's massively-distributed embezzlement thing, which came to an end 'like all good things'
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY the same. "oh, we have money, oh, we're in it to get it right"
mircea_popescu: not because it wasn't done. but because the idiots doing it (yes, minsky and all) were idiots about the one thing that matters, which had little to do with their actual target.
mircea_popescu: it is my considered belief that it was SPECIFICALLY the unwarranted delusion that ai is special that ruined it.
mircea_popescu: the relation between games as produced and games is about the same as the relation between intelligence as produced and intelligence
asciilifeform: games, it turned out, could be produced, in the short term, economically.
asciilifeform: people apparently sometimes like to play games.
asciilifeform: games, it turned out, were worth something.
asciilifeform: i would argue that the overvaluation of games was considerably less dramatic than of ai
mircea_popescu: so, why ? why did the geniuses of mit fare so very much worse than the rag tag band of idiots and imbeciles coding for z80 in their bedrooms ?
decimation: asciilifeform: before that, astroid mining presumably
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more or less everyone knows about the mass atari burials, etc
asciilifeform: decimation: see old threads re: how neutron bombardment caps the price of gold
mircea_popescu: 1983. the thing completely collapsed
decimation: ^ note that a similar incentive exists for alchemy
mircea_popescu: supposedly ai had much brighter minds at its disposal. what made the difference ?
asciilifeform: the only genuine concern is 'unicorns' (p==np, optical factorizer, entirely unknown strange) for which the incentive is more or less infinite and so will come into existence if at all physically possible
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a snippet that will be perhaps insturctive. the ai winter and the vg winter happened almost in tandem. the latter resolved within a year.by the end of the decade vg was WAY ahead of the beginning.
asciilifeform: at any rate, moore's law as this passive quasi-mythical gifts-from-god thing hasn't been cryptographically relevant for a while.
mircea_popescu: to wit, the usians got beaten at it, so now it will have to no longer exist
mircea_popescu: i don't see a future for the stuff covered by moore's law, for the very simple reason we could call "obama's arab league failure"
asciilifeform: the collapse of ai ('ai winter') quite arguably created a black hole with sufficient suction to take -all- of computing with it
decimation: they sorta turned into that place where that chick sews shit
mircea_popescu: where is the mit ai lab ? it was SO respectable in the 60s
mircea_popescu: or even closer to home : ai.
mircea_popescu: what EXACTLY is the progress, past 30 years ? ballas has the story in detail
asciilifeform: fields get 'magicked' out of existence all the time.
mircea_popescu: supposedly a major contributor to gdp worldwide is, mental health medication.
mircea_popescu: what's the progress in the 1990 - 2010 period ?
mircea_popescu: doewsn't even have to be collapse. consider : a hot area of research in the 50s/60s even 70s was genetics of intelligence.
mircea_popescu: (for they following at home : 4x as many bits does not mean 4x as large numbers. when computer registers went from 32 to 64 bits, maxint went from 2147483647 to 9,223,372,036,854,775,807) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the idea that computing power is a monotone... heh. out of the crooked timber of humanity, no monotone was ever made.
decimation: me too
decimation: fair enough. I would wager against it happening in the next 20 years
decimation: it's a good point, but is strong enough to close the escape hatch?
mircea_popescu: besides, factoring 4096 keys is not quite that much of a given. for one thing, 1kb keys have not been factored yet. for the other... moore law, again ?
mircea_popescu: how would the key guesser know which key to guess ?
decimation: right, so either they pay you or they lose their btc to some key guesser?
mircea_popescu: not sure what cuckoldry is, but, they can just register another key and push their stuff to it ?
decimation: implicitly, this means that the existing keyholders are sentenced to cuckoldry?
decimation: well, I was thinking about the case where one couldn't 'upgrade' a key because of threats to existing key lengths
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 21:49:50; davout: meanwhile, http://blog.bitcoinfoundation.org/ leads to a "The Free Trial is Over" stock page XD
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 00:05:30; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132454 << how could the answer possibly be anything other than yes ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132463 << what are you two on about ? obviously if the keys can be cracked you do nbot wish to use them. who uses bitcoin addresses with known pubkeys ? ☝︎
williamdunne: decimation: I think the current logic is slippage
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 22:30:12; cazalla: much better than the grainy tumblr shit someone else links :)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132451 << i was gonna bitch but then i saw the gif. that's a kickass gif. ☝︎
decimation: no one believes that btc/usd is going to stay where it is for the long run