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danielpbarron: hm, this site is hard to read, and i can't imagine this is actually correct, but my CAKE might be worth 3.3 BTC ...

BingoBoingo: Old hall sound like Embraer 145 I took STL to Houston

danielpbarron: and i also apparently have ~800 USD worth of an asset called CAKE

danielpbarron: in other lols, i created an asset on that XCP counterparty thing years ago and i'm looking at it now. thing has a market cap over 1k USD and not only that, people have actually been trading it in the last half a year. some guy even has what the site claims is 800 USD worth

phf: i should probably check if it still works..

phf: yes, i think so, though i will further add that's not question of just diff, but rather the mismatch between mechanical actions and serialization format in general (there's a lot of bad examples, like dreamweaver, word, etc. and i can't recall any good examples)

phf: diana_coman: i believe the word spectrum is mentioned literally in the same rant

diana_coman: because basically I get to "choose" between: model it non-graphically and it's clear or use the "simpler" gui that makes it then 100 times harder to follow the changes; is that it or what am I missing there?

a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 18:56 phf: mircea_popescu: i think that's when one of those arguments where poking at it we discover there's no any substantial disagreement. i think we're thinking of same thing but from slightly different direction. i was thinking whatever we come up with for graphics will still have a gui interface, where one can use a mouse, etc. to lay out and modify objects. in that case and given existing models a diff will produce a lot of mechanical noise, which is accid

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754565 <- hmmm, I'm certainly not one for graphics much, but tbh a graphical tool that results then in a lot of noise when diffing outputs sounds like a bad tool to me ☝︎

asciilifeform: i wouldn't propose to translate it for public consumption, no

mircea_popescu: i was just trying to be helpful!

asciilifeform: well yes, i did not randomly throw a knife at it, lol

ben_vulpes: hey, life and wife and kids and job and commute and and and i can readily see how difficult it'd be

asciilifeform: if i were put there.

asciilifeform: i could even find again this cafe in buenos aires.

asciilifeform: i still even have hanbot's 'proof of actually-having-known-the-number' sheet, pinned to wall

asciilifeform: dunlookatme, i didnt solve

asciilifeform: i dun think phf was witness to the match trick

asciilifeform: i'd be only mildly surprised if mircea_popescu revealed that he knew this function

asciilifeform: ( and i dun like how ntsc screens radiate )

asciilifeform: phf: i actually considered cryptotron in form of a nintendo (or similar) cartridge.

mircea_popescu: phf i rthought that was amiga.

mircea_popescu: kaspiersky and av-something i forget both had advertisements up on the screen about how they're doing things.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was in cafe last week. computer took 5 minutes and >12 warnings/popups to ... not load a page.

asciilifeform: btw i once encountered an interesting artifact , from scrap dealer. it was a pci card made for orc 'web cafes', that took 2 ide snakes. each expected identical disk. twist : all ~writes~ went to the 'aux' snake. reads, first to aux, then to primary. and there was reset button.

mircea_popescu: i imagine there's people out there regretting their wife doesn't come with a "reset factory defaults" button, and would be VERY shocked to discover i'd very much consider it a disaster, in the line of http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122812

mircea_popescu: "i resetted factory defaults"

mircea_popescu: i think his idea of "pretty secretive" was rather in the vein of http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-is-creating-a-whole-new-set-of-problems/ ; ie would like to start over under a nerw identity.

sonic3: yea, don't let me keep you, i feel like i've jumped into a bigger picture here

sonic3: i'm pretty secretive

sonic3: i will immediately after i start the node tonight

sonic3: think you can lend a hand to the build process if i get stuck?

mircea_popescu: i'm not maintaining it, the bitcoin foundation is, but anyway, sure.

sonic3: i remember you said i should use a specific version of the node daemon

sonic3: something i saw on trilema

sonic3: i remember talking to you earlier this year

asciilifeform: 0 , near as i can tell, was a genuine blind-spot

mircea_popescu: sure. but i tell you, speaking dead is another major.

mircea_popescu: or as in romanian, "spune-i lu' ma-ta sa nu se mai futa beata"

mircea_popescu: oh oh. i was thinking the statistics test

asciilifeform: who was it, napoleon, 'if only there were a bullet here for me, i will be remembered as a great hero'

mircea_popescu: and why i didn't come to the same conclusion as alf, "more memory is better". not for me, i have enough for what i use it for.

mircea_popescu: so this, i would count, as the foremost and most notable application of tractor to IA. logs.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 21:32 mircea_popescu: in any case ; i am notorious for a very poor memory, including complete inability to remember say actresses names.

mircea_popescu: (there's a major but poorly understood and never discussed advantage of the log, in that it empowers my very "eccentric" except fundamental "i don't remember any names" [ http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704118 and http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/#footnote_0_76425 both references] : by being released from the need to preserve history myself, i can radically cut items which empowers heuristics not otherwise acc ☝︎

mircea_popescu: and "here's what i remember of what phf and alf said 15 to 45 years ago" is not nearly the same thing

BingoBoingo: In other pressing but not essentials: The fellow at the datacenter meeting confirmed my suspicions, I have seen few Argentinos in Montevideo porque Argentina es un pais pobre.

phf: ental to understanding. if on the other hand the language we make is designed to be authored by hand, and is authored lightly assisted by tooling, then there's opportunity and a kind of cognitive pull for the author to make the changes as meaningful as possible. i'm basically ok with working somewhere on that spectrum, but i was preemptively ranting against the kind of patches that communicate nothing but accidental floating point jitter of the graphic

phf: mircea_popescu: i think that's when one of those arguments where poking at it we discover there's no any substantial disagreement. i think we're thinking of same thing but from slightly different direction. i was thinking whatever we come up with for graphics will still have a gui interface, where one can use a mouse, etc. to lay out and modify objects. in that case and given existing models a diff will produce a lot of mechanical noise, which is accid ☟︎

asciilifeform: i'ma brb, try with 2people

asciilifeform: i was referring to classical unixdiff

mircea_popescu: phf i thought i said explicitly the proposed patching of svg is merely TO TEST the patching system from a diff perspectrive.

mircea_popescu: i thought it was merely whether they can impose constraint at all.

phf: i think you're trying to cut with a broad sword, where scalpel is required

mircea_popescu: phf so i take it you much preferred classical to analytical geometry in school ?

mircea_popescu: it is a very naive notion this, "i don't need to, i understand". you, odds aren, don't, and this isn't something to be ashamed of.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-11 20:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform, fwiw I read it as in went through it line by line and with pencil and paper; ran it too at the end, played a bit around with tests and that; and since we are at this, nitpick: in FZ_Swap why T:=X if already initialised at declaration or what am I missing of Ada in there?

phf: well, that goes back to the meaning question. with code i don't get ascii codes as ints and then have to paper out the actual text before i can work out meaning. in fact what i do put on paper is almost never related to the written code itself. in the case of mechanical graphics though, my first step is ascii-to-characters

mircea_popescu: "no i don't need to" "why do you think this ?" "stop bothering me, troll."

phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure that was my idea :) restating what i'm trying to say is that i can derive meaning out of vpatch by reading it, but i'm not sure i can likewise derive meaning out of a svg diff by simply reading it. i suppose the assumption here is that svg was produced and edited by computer means, where imposing meaning on the sequence of modifications is not the primary (and often tricky) concern

asciilifeform: https://eprints.soton.ac.uk/257577/1/funcgeo2.pdf << the orig, i think

mircea_popescu: phf either i'm not understanding what a .vpatch is or wut ?

phf: mircea_popescu: i think the differ and rendered for the ~diffs~ is significantly different from what our current foundation is. so in principle i don't see an issue with svg, as long as you can get the ~diff~ out of the vpatch itself, rather than say, pressing original, pressing new and then eyeballing the differences.

trinque: could sure; I'd have to inspect the svg and see if it's readable. it's coming out of graphviz.

asciilifeform: so i have no argument against 'must use mechanical renderer to read/modify, and we'll use this-here interchange format'

mircea_popescu: nobody will EVER find themselves in the situation of BOTH a) hurr durr, i am at leisure now let me make a patch and b) o noes, i am in distress now, can not run basic machinery.

phf: i supper proper presentation of fg schematics in a v-tron is either in the style of the marine chronometer book i have next to me or not at all. "taking first the essentials, c is the escape wheel. the escapement consists of the bar E, carrying the two projections e, e' etc". everything else ought to be handled separately ☟︎

mircea_popescu: where i can change the DISCRETE data bits independently ; as well as their adnotation.

asciilifeform: if i can't read it with eyes -- it may as well be a uuencode, neh

asciilifeform: much as i like sexpr, a sexpr dump of a vector drawing is not humanreadable either. at least not with my puny brain, i have nfi, perhaps mircea_popescu can render these in his head as he reads'em ?

asciilifeform: i'm still waiting to hear how mircea_popescu would represent e.g. the fg schematic, in ideal vtron.

mircea_popescu: and the whole arguments with alphabets and alf's perennial "but i r creative speshul snowflake, must has hyeroglyphs"

phf: the ast direction moves away from patches as literature (which is i think what mp is saying from a different direction?)

asciilifeform: right. but the 'source' in yer head is, really , an ast, whether you end up hitting space 1ce or 3ce when you end up entering the text. and likewise when i read it, it gets reparsed into ast.

mircea_popescu: trinque exactly my tho9ughts. "i don't want to go there. yet."

mircea_popescu: trinque i fear so.

phf: " I use space as a terminator and words execute immediately, there is no CR to mark the end of the line. There are no CRs, just space delimiters. I currently have BS and Delete. I would like to keep only two special keys, BS and a key to exit. I think I would prefer BS over Delete."

phf: asciilifeform: i've had a more detailed quote on the dead machine, but the less detailed equivalent is “I use my own 0-Z character set. It is a six bit character set. It only has upper case and there is no distinction between the letter "O" and zero.”

asciilifeform: (i.e. whitespace entirely insignificant.)

mircea_popescu: i am NOT looking at difflists saying "and then special snowflake added a space and took out a tab"

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like breaking things when something is gained thereby.

mircea_popescu: wait i thought you didn't like it.

asciilifeform: i'm almost surprised that mircea_popescu hasn't yet thought of , e.g., anathemizing ascii in favour of own, arbitrary arrangement of alphabet, strictly for incompatibility's sake; or to proclaim the 17-bit byte...

mircea_popescu: the "backward compatibility" argument is no argument but a red herring. i will not break shit to match microsoft's sad history.

mircea_popescu: for testing etc, fix i expect will be used. for publishing, i expect not.

asciilifeform: i guarantee that the 'autofix' will break something, somewhere, at some point, in a difficult-to-detect way.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 17:35 trinque: hm, dunno whether I want to execute someone's script during a press.

asciilifeform: i.e. guaranteed 0-remanence.

mircea_popescu: so in this sense i agree "secure memory" on current iron is not worth bothering with.

asciilifeform: trinque: sorta why i didn't particularly itch to go there

trinque: hm, dunno whether I want to execute someone's script during a press. ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754311 << this is how asciilifeform originally thought to make the file-moves thing, with the 'manifest', i.e. list of commands that get executed on the dataset pre-diff ☝︎

asciilifeform: ftr i dun plan to include 'secure memory'ism in ffa.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, myeah, I suspect it's sloppiness, "but it's same thing"

asciilifeform: the 'secure memory' thing is entirely red herring imho. all it means is that it gets marked unswappable. but i dun have swap on any of my boxes, period.

diana_coman: in "only 2 years later" but since I did not find otherwise in the logs an answer to mod6's question at http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-20#1139680 : that is simply the number of limbs, so a matter of size; since p and q are same size, it is fine there although arguably not helping the reader ☝︎

trinque: and if I understand this "trickle" thing correctly, wtf, that's coming out. what privacy? blast my txn to everyone you know.

trinque: yeah, I'm cracking the thing open for maximum external control.

mircea_popescu: when i diff i want to see what you changed, not what your editor changed.