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phf: i prefer to just loosen the requirements a bit. a failure in a vpatch doesn't need to result in public disgrace, shaming or execution. that might be one of reasons why work came to utter stand still, nobody wants to "sign off" on this or that like it's going to end in the style of diana_coman's story

a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 04:29 mircea_popescu: the odds of two projects wanting the same exact verbatim pile of lib-code are ~as good as for a hash collision.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: makes ~exactly same amount of sense by abolishing copyright by poking out eyes.

asciilifeform: the part i disagree is mircea_popescu's apparent insistence that said chances ought to artificially obscure the origin

asciilifeform: possibly what mircea_popescu was thinking is that the operator is NOT absolved of the chore of reading the thing that hashed to B9F2C8885474FD6B4F7D36955799716E68161BE8F8CFCE3640ADE942FE0064A00D64C7DABC3EC36B24797760B99EA6C79D74A8F984DCC3AEAC2EEF183B3ED70B

asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu describes, with '#include <idiocy.h>'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he stops it by taking SPECIFIC HASH, of specific one of my patches! as his antecedent.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we are never in any danger of having ~this~ 'include'

asciilifeform: my point is that mircea_popescu is using very blunt stick.

asciilifeform: nothing about 'let's cp this 1,000,001 times because mircea_popescu took away #include' compels intelligent rereading.

asciilifeform: here i must agree with mircea_popescu .

asciilifeform: imho mircea_popescu is catastrophically missing the point re the genesis thing:

asciilifeform: but it is not outside. the signed pedigreed tarball is a vtronic creation (in the respective cases, mine and mircea_popescu 's)

asciilifeform: using what pedigree there actually is - e.g., mircea_popescu's signed pgp tarball - is part of this.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it has to burn with proper petrol, farts are not enough.

asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu recall why i did the tinyscheme genesis the way i did ?

asciilifeform: and i seriously fail to see why mircea_popescu is barfing

trinque: mircea_popescu │ the problems only begin when trinque goes on a jwz rampage "i only wanted the offspring to sprout, not rob the store". << I agree 100% that offspring are in any sane scenario mine to end

asciilifeform: as would be the case in a mircea_popescuated shiva trb.

asciilifeform: thing is, operator doesn't specifically start from anything. he specifies a press head (if that. in one variant contemplated earlier by mircea_popescu, one does not even specify press head, but instead walk longest chain having sigs S1...Sn)

mod6: instead of mod6_v.vpatch or something

mod6: in way that asciilifeform lays it out, in the sense that this vpatch would start from 'false' and end on 'SOME_HASH' and create a file(s)|directory(ies) that did not previously exist, then yes a 'genesis' but only on concept - not in name. as we shouldn't not confuse the two imho.

a111: Logged on 2016-01-19 21:55 ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: try to understand the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now they can go get stuffed.

asciilifeform: well, in my original v, ./v.py patches p patches/mod6_something_or_other_bleeding_edge_leaf.vpatch

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'trust cone' is subset of your light cone.

asciilifeform: if anybody wants to roll shiva in as part of his lineage, i recommend linking up part1 and part2 as mircea_popescu describes here.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_shiva_part_1_of_2 << the shiva genesis.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't see why a genesis with hash H has to be 'meta'-limited to only be antecedentable as 'part of project P'

mod6: mircea_popescu: well, i think it's a better, cleaner practice.

mod6: mircea_popescu: i mean, if i have genesis.vpatch (trb) and v-genesis.vpatch in http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/

a111: Logged on 2016-02-08 20:09 ascii_butugychag: i will half-seriously suggest that we refer to the ~set of patches, seals, keys~ that a particular vtron is aware of at his particular point in spacetime, as... his lightcone

asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu do you happen to have the link handy to this thread ? )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481822 << mircea_popescu made a very convincing argument in favour of ~not~ having a central repo of any kind, but rather - if anything - a streamlined mechanism for each lord (including mod6 & ben_vulpes under the banner of trb foundation) to put ~his own trb~ in usable format on ~his own~ www ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 00:48 mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform got a link to where you made the point in the log that most of what sane people do consists of cleaving the practical from the metaphysical or such ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-19#1377638 ? ☝︎

phf: ben_vulpes: you cannot make guarantees about who will do what with your holes? how so? you mean for long term construction?

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: perhaps, but my pyres held numerous people and were assemblableable by noobs on drugs with a minimum of oversight.

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> you can't say lisp without S! << heheh. "lithp"

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> oh and mod6 - suppose i want to add the observation that really, the wallet functionality and the "caching transactions" functionality should be separated in bitcoin - there's no conceivable reason to store the latter in the former for instance. how would i go about adding this to the bitcoin tickets ? ask you ? do something myslef ? << you certainly can feel free to help me round out the t

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No that is a hammer drill

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu did say 'pearl harbour' no ?

asciilifeform: or did mircea_popescu previously think that it had been a defrocked accountant imprisoned for 40 unpad parking tickets.

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu moar circus clowns: https://github.com/joshua-m-david/jerichoencryption << there is a pestilential profusion of these 'i'ma STROOOONG CRYYYPTO!!1111 IN NODEJS !111' out there.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was the 1 quasi-working linux distro, other than 'make it all by hand'

mircea_popescu: diana_coman i'm pretty much convinced by now that what the ro crowds actually meant in 1989 by "wanting western democracy" was "we want italian tv"

mircea_popescu: diana_coman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0eApWMb92E <<< apparently it was napoli.

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu if you're fond of watching atlantises sink, https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7738104.html

asciilifeform: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=68b_1437283356 << moar lulz from same rag

phf: and this one is for BingoBoingo http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=58a_1464890232

phf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Region-based_memory_management

mircea_popescu: darn i keep highlighting poor diametric when i want to say diana_coman

mircea_popescu: diana_coman they also make excellent women in the south, but...

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ever been in traffic in Naples? quite curious what you'd make of it

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ever drove around anywhere in usa ?

phf: mircea_popescu: i grew up working on cars with my grandfather, was the main dacha activity, i figured what quality of car mechanic would people advertising food&loding on craigslist really need?

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: sure.

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah lol

a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 14:52 mircea_popescu: but to make it short and sweet : if she were the sort of six-deviations talented woman that'd benefit from what you imagine is "not having to show up in an office", she'd pointedly not be writing the sort of crap.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope - passed up this chance, left it at home. but iirc ben_vulpes had his.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, writing pulp crapolade beats the SHIT out of showing up to an office.

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: good point!

shinohai: In other acquisitions news: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3082771/symantec-to-acquire-blue-coat-for-465-billion.html#tk.rss_all

a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 13:27 mircea_popescu: oh and mod6 - suppose i want to add the observation that really, the wallet functionality and the "caching transactions" functionality should be separated in bitcoin - there's no conceivable reason to store the latter in the former for instance. how would i go about adding this to the bitcoin tickets ? ask you ? do something myslef ?

a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 13:26 mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform you gonna make a ticket set for phuctor ?

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: nb == nota bene? ?

shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/C8Jj9DT.jpg (-__-)

mircea_popescu: but if you want to know how the usg corrupt class siphons the public hreasury - look no further. that's the system, "acquisitions", government-mandated, like facebook buying some derpy app for $random_sum, and so on. "we gave you free money, now you give it back" goes the story.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: interesting

Framedragger: so #botwar has the following chan rules : http://sysdef.de/botwar_channelrules.txt

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'shit hit the fan'

a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 00:13 mircea_popescu: not entirely clear what the benefit of ~signing~ said ephemeral keys is however

a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 00:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, to understand each other : if M are messages signed by K[eys], then if on the basis of M2 you can prove that indeed K1 was used for M1 then your system is not pfs, and K aren't ephemeral.

a111: Logged on 2016-05-16 13:52 mircea_popescu: actually, let me go into detail, why the hell not. ("because derps stalk the logs for examples of how x doesn't understand y" "and ?" "myeah.")

Framedragger: concepts not contradictory, you use one as session key, the other to link sessions in terms of authorship / who participates in said sessions. unless you meant something more technical/particular mircea_popescu

mircea_popescu: but in udder news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/853673f068be74532c6099a53ce5436a/tumblr_o0qvfr9GWQ1usvymao1_500.gif

asciilifeform: and certainly not invented by usg stooge, it was in my comment series under mircea_popescu's original gossipd article.

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: apologies - too much presumption on my part, then!

a111: Logged on 2016-06-12 18:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what sense does that make anyway ?

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah afk shit is calming down, so getting back to variations packet madness :D

mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/ee36bedf0fca8c0d4ef63d66ba3acf26/tumblr_o0x4tbbm0z1ud7ml4o1_400.gif

mod6: mircea_popescu: cool, good dela.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: win.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But at what cognitive cost? Certainly a greater one than simply removing the entirety of the xml-rpc and turds therein.

a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 15:43 mircea_popescu: what's he care

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> incididentally BingoBoingo : does qntra not publish trackbacks or just didn't get ? << Does not recieve trackbacks in a meaningful way. Entire xml-rpc was excised because fuck Mullenweg

danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, he got re-possesed?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/gawker-media-group-gmg-vs-arbeitsgemeinschaft-versuchsreaktor-avr/#comment-117494

shinohai: Well guise 21dotco is already the future - 20 satoshi to read temperature: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4njys7/21_an_open_source_library_for_the_machinepayable/d44kqsy

a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 14:36 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is going to pay the 20 to 50 bn needed to decomission this radioactive waste plant that cost 600mn to build ?

a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 23:02 mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI supervisor" "Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities (in satoshi/Gb/second of storage for instance) and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accept

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 should be done BY X. so i know who to chase. << I think if someone wants to put their name on a ticket, ... ok, and they can put a completion date in there.

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> also important, suppose i want to split up a ticket later. what should i do, delete and re-enter ? << so saythat UCI ticket 7 needs to become two seperate tickets and the original didn't capture what it was supposed to capture; i would just make a new ticket, and then edit the existing one to reform what would be or seem correct.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu likes massive stacks of cheapo mechanicals ?

a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 14:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480951 << o, you hate proper hdds now ? when did that conversion happen ?

mod6: mircea_popescu: so during development, i decided not to allow assignment for tickets; i wanted to encourage all to look at tickets and possibly propose solutions or changes to even patches submitted (denoted in the notes section??)

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> apparently, it's "anything that may attract a child", and outright a defense in tresspass! << Swimming pool is canonical "attractive nuissance"

a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 02:30 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: if i was at that life stage (yes, it's coming!) then i will have one garage for five cars and another of ~equal size~ for back-up power

a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 02:17 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480214 << now ~that's~ the business. will defo be looking into these at next place (2017 sometime)

a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 02:16 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480202 << ac isn't 'mission critical'. if it goes down for 15 minutes or even 5 hours, you might be a little sweaty and grumpy, but your hard drives aren't so flexible, especially if they get caught mid-write with their pants down (but ianae)