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phf: lobbes: yeah, it took me about 5 minutes to produce a list of urls including coding :p
lobbes: As for processing urls 'going forward' I got a bot sitting in chan that snarfs urls as they come and keeps it in a 'to-be-processed' database. Still, having redundant data sources couldn't hurt. I would definitely be interested in url streams
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. on Trilema - A ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/>; 北回归线在线阅读(第10页)_必看网: <https://www.biikan.com/xiaoshuo/read-21772_10.shtml>; 幽默、笑话、故事收集: <http://www.baiyun.net/jokes/humor.html>
mircea_popescu: how can a drawing be chinese
mircea_popescu: phf actually the url rss is a fine idea.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-04 08:43 lobbes: in archive news: through leveraging a bash script comb for urls appearing in teh logs on btcbase (hats off to phf for the impressive historic span), I was able to compile a list of ~142000 links dating back to August 2012.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-04#1746081 << i can, by the way, give you (or anyone who wants it really) an ongoing feed of urls, which might be a bit saner, than trying to wget a bunch of html pages, and then attempt to reverse them ☝︎
scatha: asciilifeform: thanks, just checking :) hope all is well over there, saw qntra down and a strange chinese message on trilema
asciilifeform: ( and i suppose i could nitpick, 'USG.StrictlyAnyOtherCAImplicitlyTrustedByAllUSGbrowsers manages to lose a public key' oughta read 'private key' )
mircea_popescu: well, tell him for me that there's nothing wrong with obscenity in principle, perhaps with a link to a choice image from the logs
mircea_popescu: not even a terrible question.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-01 23:19 mircea_popescu: guy was a major... well, like bill gates, or khodorovsky, however you call the faux business men produced by governments. except in ro, so he's talking 1e7 rather than 1e10
asciilifeform: it isn't as if being buffett is something that were dropped from the sky by malevolent martians on unsuspecting people. it's a thing the 'sufferers' work for decades for, compete with other candidates for politruk ( or for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745249 , depending on flavour ) , it is very much a conscious choice ☝︎
asciilifeform: but then would be just a d00d, with arms and legs, no money, no skills, no wot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that d00d who has 'real estate picassos worth maybe 11mn and loans outstanding worth 12' is walking out of the reich a little bit after washington's monument grows legs and goes.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> all asciilifeform can add is that you can tell where in usa there is a courthouse, because for many miles around there is an infestation of 'bail bondsmen', 'bond loans', 'bail', shopfronts. << Locally bail bondsman is far from courthouse. Local DA provides "cheapest" bail bond, and who gets arrested...
asciilifeform: all asciilifeform can add is that you can tell where in usa there is a courthouse, because for many miles around there is an infestation of 'bail bondsmen', 'bond loans', 'bail', shopfronts.
BingoBoingo: No importa que, colonial us is a nonsense labelism
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: m is 'rich' in exactly same way any orc official is -- while permitted to live in his officially assigned nomenklatura residence , avoid working under a clock, etc
asciilifeform: specifically female, i've never seen a male emit this particular
mircea_popescu: then it was exactly what SOPS likes, a meta-discussion.
mircea_popescu: this facebook thing... used to be a great bureaucrat's toy in the days when the inca was smaller and still struggling to infest medical profession. "supoenad records", some doctors mentally slow enough to imagine they held the only copy.
asciilifeform: and bonus 'altering and concealing a record, to wit, his Facebook account, with intent to impede the FBI's ongoing investigation' didjaknow.
asciilifeform: elsewhere, https://cryptome.org/2017/12/papadopoulos-005.pdf ( sadly dun ocr really at all ) one papadopoulos, being tried by one 'chief judge beryl a howell' , for 'obstruction' of the 'russian stooges investigation'
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would he sign such a thing.
mircea_popescu: basically the claim here seems to be that "if they hit anything, they hit the body after warhead separation", which seems a satisfactory description of fact.
asciilifeform: currently aiming to make it a fridays thing.
mircea_popescu: and there's nothing wrong with a weekly rhythm of it either, gives reader chance to follow along.
mircea_popescu: that's a net positive.
asciilifeform: afaik this kind of software item hasn't really been done since the 1980s magazine days ( i.e. where reader is asked to 'write the program' 'with' the author , rather than 'here it is, run, like a pig is fed' )
mircea_popescu: also lettuce announce there's going to be a nov-dec joint qntra statement.
mircea_popescu: let me take this opportunity to point out to asciilifeform that his first item in the epic ffa write-up was dec 1st. this is dec 4th. wasn't it supposed to be a 1 hour apart publishing or what's going on there ?
mircea_popescu: let me guess, http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/#selection-177.121-177.343 all over again, "president trump sat in front of a moonlit rock explaining how our system light that rock right out of tyhe air!"
mircea_popescu: in other machine-made lulz, http://archive.is/rdZnl : the title is "the comehack" for some reason, but the header is me walkin' with a newspaper wrapped machete in hand.
lobbes: to those curious, here's a plaintext dump of all the scraped urls (6 Mb): http://lobbesblog.com/archive/hist_walk.txt
lobbes: in archive news: through leveraging a bash script comb for urls appearing in teh logs on btcbase (hats off to phf for the impressive historic span), I was able to compile a list of ~142000 links dating back to August 2012. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo so why not have two rows line normal people. started at 1 0 then moved to 0 7842 then ended at 0 4990 << NSA and MG had not been notating fiatolade, so I assumed how to handle an open question. Will put together a leperolade line
danielpbarron: even the buy it now price is a good deal if the price is still 0.0395
danielpbarron: relatedly, i have a FG listed for auction on ebay at the moment.
mircea_popescu: at least you get a blog post out of the expense.
mircea_popescu: i'd say add it, you know, "or you could buy a preinstalled laptop"
asciilifeform: incidentally anyone willing to admit to using a danielpbarron gentootron ? how is it ?
mircea_popescu: but if you're going to have a standard os you're going to have a standard os.
mircea_popescu: "the notion itself" is not a thing.
mircea_popescu: fortunately it's a whole pile of source that nobody could possibly ever want,
asciilifeform: re gcc, recall also that it's been put on the usg hitlist, they would like to lead it to a level of dysfunction that will have naive folx welcoming its shooting behind the shed and replacement with Officially blessed clang-llvm ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i got a pile of various ones, actually.
asciilifeform: it wouldn't surprise me to learn that mircea_popescu dun even have a 4 anywhere
mircea_popescu: yes, but... i still dun have a gcc 5 anywhere for instance.
asciilifeform: it's a multilayered shitsandwich : not only makes 0dayolade substantially easier to write, but as bonus makes ALL old libs no longer link
asciilifeform: (c++11/14/etc.ism is a rather half-hearted attempt to make '70% bugridden reimplementation' of ada, in cpp, as retrofit. iirc we had a thread a few yrs ago re subj)
mircea_popescu: is the idea here that "should you attempt to ask questions on stackexchange there'll be a crowd of politruks whining about it" ? or something else ?
jurov: "The default C++ language version for applications is now C++14...means, however, that compilers earlier than GCC 6 are masked and not supported for use as a system compiler anymore."
jurov: The 13.0 profiles will be deprecated then and removed in half a year."
mircea_popescu: "Modularity and code reuse are, of course, A Good Thing. Even in the most trivially simple case, however, the CS/IT dogma of code reuse is totally foreign in the bazaar: the software in the FreeBSD ports collection contains at least 1,342 copied and pasted cryptographic algorithms." << of which none actually work, is the caper.
mircea_popescu: people generally laugh at flaubert for having spent however many weeks to discern if 20 or 22 degrees was "more adequate in his text", but the elided truth of the matter is that they who ~entirely~ lack the mechanism there used in excess are in a much sadder spot than poor ol' oncle g.
mircea_popescu: whereas to literate folk, this is a major topic. "i...can't say that. why can't i say that ? why won't that let itself be said ?!"
mircea_popescu: all the foregoing aside (and much related to what you say) i suspect this is also a very specific vulnerability of the esl folk, in that they DONT expect the language to complain when misused.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:13 phf: Framedragger: i was young and a bum, i recognized all these people because my entertainment machine would reinforce their presence for me. "oh jwz is talking. oh now it's ptacek. oh it's paul graham! squee". but they were always in a different category from say norvig or knuth or naggum. once i started doing and learning (i.e. painfully read knuth, rather than just have him on my shelf) i finally was able to grok the difference.
mircea_popescu: but in any case -- ALL PANTSUIT!!! is reduced to a shortcut that is insufficient, and doesn't stand up to investigation. this is in fact so universal in them that it can function as identification. "why do you think X is bad ?" "because it's racist" "but what's that mean ?" "oh puhleaze! do we ~still~ have to ?!?!?!". yes, you do. moreover, https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/jezebel_proves_scott_adams_is.html
mircea_popescu: the second is more than half tyhe time how trilema articles end up so long, those that do -- there was a shorter thing there that didn't hold, but for expressive rather than fundamentalreasons.
phf: despite the references to brooks, nobody's actually practicing what brooks advocated, so the name and the books are reduced to a charm. yet another cargo cult
phf: right, i think perhaps the problem of this particular turn of phrase, is that he can't actually name what makes him a better than average programmer (like ascii's fits in head, or Principles, or), so he's reduced to a shortcut that is insufficient
mircea_popescu: now, it's true we use superglue on skin tears, but it's not true that such nonsense as that described can be a racing toolkit.
mircea_popescu: tbh, oreilly was minnow back when oop started, just tried to wave a ride.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oop-circa-1990s was a bastardization of 1970s-era narrowly domained ( cad, a few other ) item , picked specifically with 'this is promising for deskilling programming' item
mircea_popescu: dumb fucking nonsense, a good fit for maybe 1% of cases presented as california magical weight loss cure.
phf: i missed a point re phk though. is the idea that "scripted os-reinstall" is a bad idea, or that it's insufficient?
mircea_popescu: more importantly, it's a self-advertising rat.
phf: it's a particularly big fucking rat
asciilifeform: dunno that it makes sense to give any particular printolade-bubble overseer the distinction of a name and attributed agency. it's not unlike pinning the black plague on a particular, named rat
asciilifeform: prolly doomed to become a caste ( in the model of the hindu shit-shoveling-with-bare-hands folx ) , as observed by neal stephenson and others.
asciilifeform: there's a certain level of schizo that goes with the profession
asciilifeform: the point re how a build script taking up moar bytes than a ~bloated~ os took up in 1980s, does not require a genius, to make
mircea_popescu: kinda same with p-h kamp (and all the rest of them at that) : hurr durr design, hurr durr thought provoking, herp-derp scripted os-reinstall. nigga... are you a priest or aren't you ?
mircea_popescu: then there's a pedestrian, and the guy, wanting to put a little meat behind his joke, sorta drives the car towards him and steers away at the last minute
mircea_popescu: priest wants to know what is that thing on the hood ? and guy explains slyly that "well, this is a german car, you know, they're a warlike people. so you aim pedestrians with that and well..."
mircea_popescu: year is 1990s and guy has a mercedes, unseen car in eastern lands. a priest is hitchhiking, guy stops, priest goes in.
mircea_popescu: whenever i read stuff these people (1990s era graybeards) have to say i always get a feeling of that mercedes-riding-priest.
mircea_popescu: architecturally what's the multics / unics connection ? that both had a shell ?
mircea_popescu: but still. at least cp/m had a rivalry with dos vaguely reminescent of linux/windoze thing
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 20:42 jurov: What does the "beautiful cathedral of unix" that he uses in a contrast, mean?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 17:31 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745764 << i recall we ran into the issue of vpatch-ing binaries that hasn't been resolved. wp admin interface relies on a lot of png's and gif's that it's not clear how to stuff into a vpatch without a superfluous "make" phase
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's the number the gut feeling indicator had a hunch on
jurov: or if, then msdos was even more a cathedral!
asciilifeform: and to d00d who spent entire working life with piles of shit, a small and dried up one is moarbeautiful than a gigantic and steaming pile
jurov: What does the "beautiful cathedral of unix" that he uses in a contrast, mean? ☟︎
phf: apparently he also argues for fits in head as the only proper measure elsewhere, but i can't find the source of quote (possibly person who implied it is a log reader, and just reused the variety speak)
asciilifeform: That is the sorry reality of the bazaar Raymond praised in his book: a pile of old festering hacks, endlessly copied and pasted by a clueless generation of IT "professionals" who wouldn't recognize sound IT architecture if you hit them over the head with it.'
phf: phk wrote a get off my lawn rant about cathedral vs. bazaar http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2349257 which stirred up the hamsters https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4407188 favorite quote from thread “I don't think the appeal to authority fallacy will fly here. We are all too smart for that.”
asciilifeform: hashing a la fg does the basic job, of nailing the bins down along with everythingelse
phf: right, that might work, a tar xf into the same vpatch'ed structure (since you need to place those artifacts just right)
asciilifeform: ( it's a somewhat unsatisfying answer, but afaik the only general-purpose pill to date )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745764 << i recall we ran into the issue of vpatch-ing binaries that hasn't been resolved. wp admin interface relies on a lot of png's and gif's that it's not clear how to stuff into a vpatch without a superfluous "make" phase ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the seekrit, as i understand, is that they were running a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742441 scheme, but in fact were recruiting folx who already ~had~ 'goodjerbs' ☝︎
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would standford give a dumb neet as much as a length of string "because they need it" ? let them need from their fucking mother / community college.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745772 << well, yes, as indirection layer above blog comment. nfi why one'd do that instread of just putting the material in a blockquote. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 10:10 mircea_popescu: "investigative" in the sense of "here's half the picture, let's hope together that a) you're not smart enough to understand the elements it's constructed out of are meaningless and b) the areas it doesn't cover are meaningful". basically, the EXACT nonsense as in "wash dc pizzeria scandal"/"#metoo" : free association game.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745762 << the pizzeria people didn't do anything that, e.g., bush's 'wmd' people didn't do. only diff is that one did it while inca emperor, and demolished a good chunk of whole continent, while other -- did it while penniless hobos, and perforated a roof in an old house. ☝︎
asciilifeform: could, certainly, be a case of 'there are only so-many cheapo clip arts'. but also not a bad 'subconscious confession' of muppetry, alternatively.