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asciilifeform: i.e. consistently-formatted, using 0 'idiomaticisms' ,

asciilifeform: there is a 'non-malicious c', i suppose.

asciilifeform: there is such a thing as maliciously-ugly c. i.e. what koch et al write.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760180 << i'ma confess, i have nfi what is or could be 'elegant c' ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: i swallowed not only 1 but 2 pieces of rubbish from post-anathem stephenson and that was enuff.

phf: i suspect the spectacular failure of his sword project is what sent him downspiral

asciilifeform: d00d (stephenson) 'got it'. and as i understand it was his 'last hurrah', he went to shit soon after.

mircea_popescu: but, do not give managers a black eye. i for one often can't understand c.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 02:51 esthlos: excellent. also, I feel your pain. every day I write in C, I swear I lose an iq point

mircea_popescu: without dispute it lasted for at least... hm, i think there's ten between berno and peter ?

phf: i sort of assumed (and that was sometimes topic of these derivative works) that mandate doesn't last more then a generation or two

mircea_popescu: i expect the way these generally work is, starved copywriter threw some shit together while hungover. since it was bought he put a little more work into it later on.

mircea_popescu: anyway, the important part in the actual history is that the abbey was de facto sovereign ~deliberately~, set up that way by the duke on purpose. i dun recall exactly the us retcon, but it was accidental if memory serves ? which is already a reduction, in my view.

mircea_popescu: i don't follow the distinction ?

phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not, what is that?

asciilifeform: at some point i'ma put the thing on sumthing that ain't a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760270 ☝︎

pehbot: asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.

pehbot: asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 . My Width is currently fixed to 4096 and Height to 32.

ben_vulpes: what i did for candi was to link a paste

pehbot: mircea_popescu: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.

asciilifeform: i think this covers errything.

asciilifeform: 'Q' is pretty useless in the bot, given what happens to whitespaces. i'ma have to adjust the filter.

mircea_popescu: nice. will make a great tool i expect, can reference bot in examples etc.

asciilifeform: phf: i'ma tell you a seekrit : it'll be R and L, ( 2 - 1 ) in forthological notation

pehbot: asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.

phf: mircea_popescu: well, i thought he's got some minimalist tendencies, like left shift is done with a bunch of 0's and right shift is done with a combination of twig and rock

mircea_popescu: phf i dun think there is any fundamental reason no

mircea_popescu: sure, i'll be happy to look up what the thing should be in preference of your doing it. lessee.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 01:44 esthlos: fwiw I read McIlroy's paper and would be willing to implement it _transparently_, if there's interest

mod6: i kinda like this thing, and while your loper posts are fresh, i'd like it hang for a bit.

asciilifeform: i dun expect pehbot to become perma-resident

phf: i feel like you chould email it to chuck moore, he'll get a kick out of it "saves 25 bits on my greenarray cluster!"

asciilifeform: phf: i came up with it in 2016 when wrote the orig, unpublished mpitronic 'p'

asciilifeform: i'ma have to make a znctronic clone

ben_vulpes: when i booted one somehow i did not waste hours.

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am not going to take responsibility for your not reading the connection routines. it's plain as day the thing expects magic strings.

phf: asciilifeform: i like the . trick by the way, is there prior art to it?

asciilifeform: i can tell who read ch4 and who not!111

phf: yeah, i forgot :>

asciilifeform: it lives inside a slime atm. i'ma leave it up for a spell, in case anybody wants to play.

pehbot: asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.

asciilifeform: i wasted hours.

phf: but then i can also understand the whole "back in my day" sentiment. common lisp certainly lets you write ~very sloppy~ code and get away with it :> ☟︎

phf: i had that experience when i tried implementing an older spec of gossipd. i wrote it in C, actually CWEB, but i wasn't doing literate programming right, and after a while the whole thing became overwhelming.

esthlos: even with small C projects I start to panic when I realise I don't know how it works anymore ☟︎

esthlos: certainly I can't write elegant C tho

phf: i mean, if you read norvig's python snippets you can clearly see they are written by a very experienced lispers. you literally never see python like that in the wild, but yet there it is. ☟︎

phf: but i actually really want to learn to spit out elegant C like knuth, djb or rob pike

esthlos: excellent. also, I feel your pain. every day I write in C, I swear I lose an iq point ☟︎

esthlos: phf: alright, I will have to read up. my practice v implementation will be in CL, and I was thinking of implementing mcilroy for educational purposes. if such an implementation sounds useful, let me know

phf: what i'm trying to do is not so much a rewrite, as first an ascii style cut of relevant bits, to preserve backwards compatability with current patches, and then augmentation to support various operations that were discussed in logs, that are more about file management than they are about diffing

phf: well, the context of what i'm trying to do is in the logs. specifically mcilroy diffing implementation is not necessarily the problem (relevant bits of gnudiff are reducable to maybe 500-1000 loc)

phf: original figure, i believe was wc -l on everything, i refined the loc mesasure

esthlos: fwiw I read McIlroy's paper and would be willing to implement it _transparently_, if there's interest ☟︎☟︎

phf: i took a little break to put it into CWEB so i can print it and read it (cutting process was mostly mechanic, so now i need to actually grok some of the things it does), but that turned out to be a pita

asciilifeform: i.e. 'We have now the sha512 checksums of all blocks loaded by yours truly from mircea_popescu's machine on June 28 - 29, 2015. This is posted here as a permanent record in light of a certain conversation [2] concerning possible shitgnomatic shenanigans.'

a111: Logged on 2015-06-29 02:56 asciilifeform: i sorta want to start doing this thing where we for blocks 0 ... n, sha512sum block_n | gpg ...

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-29#1180935 << did i only ~think~ of it, but did not do..? ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( in re checkpoints, pertinent thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-28#1180510 and i was quite certain that some time then i posted hashes... ) ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i thought it was an actualy russian.

asciilifeform: and yes i grasp that this is a kind of usurpation. but given http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759658, ! ☝︎

asciilifeform: i will also add, it is not wholly useless to ~watch~ who is sending over Troo Blox and who -- somethingleses

mircea_popescu: i was looking for this the other day.

asciilifeform: nao, if we reintroduce checkpoints ( SANE checkpoints : i.e. keccak-of-whole-block-bitwise, rather than merkleism and sha2; and pgp-signed config eaten at boot ) we can have nodes that sync from empty hdd to full in <1day ...

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759889 << i had this notion that he happened by reading the l0gz, not asciilifeform's www. but could be wrong. ☝︎

asciilifeform: right, i've nuffin against russel&whitehead killing 8kg of tree to show how 1+1 makes 2

mircea_popescu: how come the arcane "you're missing the includes" need not be mentioned in one piece but was mentioned in the other and this gives you no pause in the "that's how i'd have done" ?

asciilifeform: i did not , then, have pygmy readers.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wrote one for mccarthy

asciilifeform: let's revise, 'i'd've like to have written the same.'

mircea_popescu: am i actually the only one to have written any obituaries, incidentally ?

mircea_popescu: it's one thing to say "if i were writing it i'd have written the same" when you wrote a few and considered how you'd write even more. but on the nude... ?

asciilifeform: apparently i'ma 'chukcha-reader, not writer'

asciilifeform: nao for all i know this was done specifically to make asciilifeform et al think that 'ru forbes' is a thing.

mircea_popescu: well now i wanna see this. pretend i'm dead and let's see three paragraphs.

asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's lens it looks entirely like what i would have written myself, about this man, if i were closer to $subject.

asciilifeform: i dun even see this supposed forbes-massage.

mircea_popescu: the other direct avenue, of course, is to say "text was a lot better as author submitted it, before forbes"ru" chiseled it into visible shape". which for all i know might even be true,

phf: but there's a point there, which is not necessarily about the man, but about the author. the selling forbes part, which i think is true. bulk of su intelligentsia went full "progressive" after the collapse

asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu lacks the '#includes'

mircea_popescu: what, fellow could not have used his language to say what he meant, i am to reconstruct the dinosaur out of half tooth ?

mircea_popescu: as i said, i can see this reading ; but it is entirely not what the text says.

asciilifeform: the argument , in asciilifeform's reading, is that bardin was a Troo Man Of Science (tm)(r) , liek the fella who starved in the seed collection in sieged leningrad. i.e. instead of going to sell soap and getrichquick(tm) in 'cooperatives', blackmarketeering, misc. adventurism, d00d sat and built up usenet node in su. collected unix src into a working whole, and did not try to gatekeeper. etc

mircea_popescu: the story would work just as well but better with the coffee/tea switched, but i did it this way in memory of the master nikolay pushkin.

mircea_popescu: here, i have a soviet joke for you :

asciilifeform: now this i cannot touch, i have deeply nfi what sort of cockroaches are chittering in typical '20something reader'.

mircea_popescu: (note that i ~can~ both follow and support the reading of the man's words that'd permit you to say "Yes" ; however it'd be very much a sopirla, and well distant from what "plain reading" delivers.)

asciilifeform: sure does. and i , and e.g. phf, are alive because of kurchatov. moar directly than from penicillin etc.

asciilifeform: item ain't about socialist fungus robbing mircea_popescu's gold to pay iq80 scum to breed. item is about a man of science who 'acted from causes, not purposes' and did not think 'hey i can't monetize 'principia', i'd better not newtonate'

mircea_popescu: i guess i should read less russian and more clintonian.

phf: i suspect this dude doesn't have any kind of apropriate venue to publish an obituary that he expects to be read by a lot of people. that's sort of the point of obituary, is to get any random reddit man to scratch his head

mircea_popescu: man at shop where they don't hjave meat said, "well, if there's not enough meat for the whole queue, i take no meat" ?

asciilifeform: essence is, i think, that d00d did not charge-for-sunlight and didn't think much of people who tried.

mircea_popescu: which soviet i never saw was this ?!

asciilifeform: and i unzip and piss on the other type of man. the ones who tried to alchemize and monopolize the unix src, described in $article.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i seem to think parts of dead frog behave more convincingly than other parts.

asciilifeform: i dun see it. because, guesswat, asciilifeform is exactly same type of man .

asciilifeform: i'ma let mircea_popescu guess

a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 22:34 mircea_popescu: especially fabuous as the "you may also be interested in" bullshit is liek "virtualnoe bezdele rabotodateli rasplachivayutsya za internet SERFING" under "karera i svoy biznes". AS FUCKING IF!

asciilifeform: i still dungetit, is there hoap