asciilifeform: hey they also had it, at one point the l1 got together and all went ;;rate -1 hruschev old fart
asciilifeform: i still suspect that it would not have been winnable even if closer game ratiowise; it went almost like the smallpox-vs-indians item. orc konsoomer had no immune cells against veblenism and 200+yrs of fine chumpatronics perfected in the west
asciilifeform: ('today you're playing jazz, tomorrow you'll be selling out your motherland')
asciilifeform: or for that matter, summed up in 'сегодня ты играешь джаз а завтра родину продашь'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: this is (uncontroversially) how su brass saw the proverbial 'import jeans'
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had an old piece about the mechanics of dope 'pushing' . where 'pusher' ~creates~, rather than satisfies (as per classical economic model a merchant might) appetites
asciilifeform can see with unarmed eye that they weren't
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oh hey is this what was behind the 'viermi neadormiti' remark ??
asciilifeform: iirc this imaginary spirit that flies away from the wheelbarrow mark/ruble , the chinese called 'mandate of heaven'
asciilifeform: recall hruschev's retroactive death sentence for the gold peddlers.
asciilifeform: ^ speaking of ~su~ ruble specifically
asciilifeform: ( internal mechanics of ruble is a tall bag of lulz about which not errything even today is known. but there were several ~independently-circulating subspecies . one of which technically existed until even 2010 or so ! )
asciilifeform: prolly similarly wasted hrs as gorby & friends tried to discern 'how many dollar is ruble TRULY'
asciilifeform: rright, the abstraction where money is a scalar and the operations commute, associate, and transpose, is a peacetime thing
asciilifeform: ( are these to be assessed as pulp ? ...firewood ? )
asciilifeform: well sometimes all it buys is nth copy of 'navigatiei cu vele', lol
asciilifeform: 'exchange' is possibly wrong q tho, what's it mean to have 'exchange rate' when the local orc coin dun buy much
asciilifeform can't give a decently accurate answer, wasn't there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: maybe in moar 'western' sovblok places like ro, with the 'tehnologia navigatiei cu vele' tricks. in proper su, economy was sufficiently 'demonetarized' that nothing directly comparable afaik existed.
asciilifeform: re upstack -- hey mircea_popescu , recall http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193376 ? i suspect that near-fyootoor usg-'regulated' 'market' will consist of 1 counter where wintel stock is dealt, where 'you can only buy' (or stand accused of 'manipulation', and another counter where bitcoin 'you can only sell' (or ditto), lol☝︎
asciilifeform: ( see e.g. nsa 'ant-2' catalogue, for a dozen examples )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the rf-illuminated snooper was re-created in '50s and is used by 100% of world today
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gotta love the 'sonic attack' usg.partyline idiocy. described item ( supposing it physically took place ) is 100% consistent with rf injury.
asciilifeform: can maybe skip the sophistry ? problem is emphatically not 'www site prints random numbers', but 'usg controls root of price signal hierarchy'
asciilifeform: ( horses watered in the potomak river , etc )
asciilifeform: so, to return frame upstack, per mircea_popescu the problem is not solveable short of total victory and nurembergification of the culprits etc ?
asciilifeform: they're cheap, but observe what happened to the ones that wouldn't reliably play ball with hitler. all of the current goxes exist by crown sufferance, afaik.
asciilifeform: 'neuter the goxs' ability to ride pseudo-price wave' is not equiv to 'control all future', neh
asciilifeform: and yes it prolly reduces to what mircea_popescu said, 'suck slightly less'
