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esthlos: asciilifeform: ada woes, am I missing a library? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ndFJX/?raw=true

asciilifeform: btw i prolly oughta have mentioned, the timing figures (not only in ch6, but all posted to date) presume that ~all~ bounds-checks remain enabled. ☟︎

asciilifeform: as of ch6, i mean.

mircea_popescu: this is a little like being offered mention in the bible. i imagine many at the time thought 40 silvers a better deal, however...

shinohai: I know, I have since converted solely to 1.4.x usage

shinohai: ^ neat asciilifeform ... I'm a bit slower learning these bits (like debug flag 2 didn't work on gpg2 because mpi) but patience.

asciilifeform: good point, i'ma link'em:

asciilifeform: if the good doktor writes in and asks, i'ma add a t.

asciilifeform: i dun think anyone will wonder 'what's aocp'

mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm also quite pleased with the very good style of the items. readily doubles as manual for proper use of english.

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is possibly the most fun and educational homework i have ever undertaken

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't remember that it can be. gotta to the hard way unbase64 etc

a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 18:02 shinohai: Some rss feeds were on my agenda (ala deedbot !!subscribe), one was /btc/ per http://trilema.com/2015/btc-the-most-recent-8chan-board/ .... but I think that kinda fizzled neh?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766053 << i dunno, i guess it never gathered any interest. ☝︎

shinohai: Some rss feeds were on my agenda (ala deedbot !!subscribe), one was /btc/ per http://trilema.com/2015/btc-the-most-recent-8chan-board/ .... but I think that kinda fizzled neh? ☟︎

shinohai: Yeah, I simply turn off DMs there is at least a knob for that.

shinohai: Interesting idea .... rss feeds themselves are quite easy, but the DM thing caused me grief last time I attempted iirc

mircea_popescu: eh, anyone can set up a rss from here, which is ~the whole thing i'd even consider.

shinohai: I got my ban reversed, but simply couldn't bring myself to go back to that nonsense, figured I had rottede my mind enough. (Thanks alf)

mircea_popescu: ah, i thought you were banned

shinohai: I'll log in and send him a DM if you like, invite him here for a chat.

shinohai: I have seen him on twitter before I left, don't know him exactly though.

mircea_popescu: does anyone want to do this same thing to rogue ? i'd buy.

BingoBoingo: I was doing my weekly cleaning and oiling of the boots, which likely seemed like a strange custom for Brasileros to have.

shinohai: "Am I filthy and smell like cannabis?"

BingoBoingo: Girl inquired whether I was brasilero.

BingoBoingo: In other news, last night I had my first experience answering a query in Portuguese and having interpreted it as yet another new accent

mircea_popescu: sit your ass down for one cottonpicking moment, and consider the fact that you're the fellow who, IN THE SAME DAY, deduced that "nobody reads x" on the basis of "i read it every day and never found x.y". this, somehow, was a rational deduction that passed your filter. THEN you proceeded to threaten its-not-exactly-clear whom with burial, over their threats to steal your printer. and THEN you went off the deep end wrt to some

asciilifeform: now how would i even begin to answer that.

asciilifeform: it's why i work with mircea_popescu and not goatfuckistan academy of sciences.

asciilifeform: butlol, i ~like~ this about mircea_popescu .

a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 12:54 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765918 << if mircea_popescu sees himself as the 1 fella with a working head, and sole fountain of sanity, and errybody else is a peculiar sort of animated furniture -- i am quite powerless to cure. ( occasionally i'll try curing anyway, as it sometimes seems to work , e.g. seems to be finally cured of 'plain text' after 3+ yrs of 'wie sind sie eigentlich... !' )

asciilifeform: hm i dun have it either

phf: asciilifeform: snarfed, but i think i'm missing ch2 for benvulpes

shinohai: Heh I had one of those Sharp calcs when I was a kid, loved the thing.

PeterL: anyway, I gotta go, will reaad logs

PeterL: I dun remember which

asciilifeform: i have one here, 16c

PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765051 << when I was little my dad had (might still have) this nice calculator that asciilifeform would like, it was a scientific calculator, used rpn, was about the size of a mans palm, landscape, solid metale housing ☝︎

PeterL: yes, I had a couple that included BASIC "games"

asciilifeform: i still have one with little games for c64, written as peek/pokes...

asciilifeform: what i'm not convinced of is that the current crop of hands is up to the job. as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762384 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: i'm not even convinced that mircea_popescu is wrong to demand that everyone who wants to use a patch with own universe, oughta rewrite it, painfully with own hands.

PeterL: and how do I know if I take random patch from you and stick it in my different patch tree that it will not break something? wouldn't I want to have the same world as you before adding your patch?

asciilifeform: PeterL: why dontcha wait until trinque writes his modified vtron, and see what this looks like with own eyes. because for each line of this unproductive thread that we write, mircea_popescu will take an extra gulp of rum, and i suspect that it is not good for his digestion.

PeterL: and I don't see it as cut-and paste, you would just be changing the one line in the patch to merge it into your own flow?

asciilifeform: PeterL: the result is that the only way for PeterL to use something asciilifeform wrote, is to turn his house into an exact duplicate of asciilifeform's; or alternatively to cut-and-paste, eulora-mpi-style, destroying all record of the copied item's history. but i already said this. try reading log ?

asciilifeform: PeterL: i dun particularly want anything ; i'm quite happy (aside from the can't-move-text-or-rename-files nonsense) with the way classical v works.

PeterL: so you want to touch comments in pertinent files after-the-fact, while I am suggesting touching a comment in a central file (README?) each time so that doesn't have to happen

asciilifeform: PeterL: as the original ( and afaik to date the only ) perpetrator of this particular warcrime ( the shiva item specifically ) i will say , imho the solution is to Not Do That . rather than to try to make it mechanically impossible. but i'ma not repeat this point further, it dun help .

PeterL: the problem I see with the current system is that you can make a change in one file which relies on a change in behavior of a function defined in a different file. You end up with two "sister" patches, but the second one is invalid without the first.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 00:00 asciilifeform: i'ma summarize the v thing : if you have a proposed new v algo ; and it would turn my 1kB patches into 1MB, and my readable 3 lines into 100kLoc of ?#@%$*(@%% , and my trivial machine-diff-verifiable changes into 'why dontcha sit for 5 years doing eyeball-powered diff' -- it is NOT an improvement. and i won't touch it. sign it. sign anything made on it. etc

PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765616 << I dun see why patches have to change much? Thinking of the system proposed by mircea_popescu you would have one line change in a "patch version" file, the rest of the patch would be identical to what we have now ☝︎

asciilifeform: rrything into 1file. this comes at a cost. apparently this particular electric fence must get pissed on empirically, for the cost to become obvious. let it be pissed on then, i haven't presently anything to add.

asciilifeform: i built the orig v with a certain amount of mechanical 'luft' , so that lateral motion of information between brains was possible without total history erasure. however it is entirely true that this makes it possible to turn a vtree into nonsense with a sequence of individually-correct operations. now you can try and take away the luft , 'hash whole previous press' etc. you can already get this effect in existing v by concatenating e

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765921 << this is entirely troo tho. i simply dun see that it is amenable to a mechanical solution. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765918 << if mircea_popescu sees himself as the 1 fella with a working head, and sole fountain of sanity, and errybody else is a peculiar sort of animated furniture -- i am quite powerless to cure. ( occasionally i'll try curing anyway, as it sometimes seems to work , e.g. seems to be finally cured of 'plain text' after 3+ yrs of 'wie sind sie eigentlich... !' ) ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: but in general, this excursion in wank and nonsense could continue ad infinitum and i have reports to write.

mircea_popescu: if instead of this we look at the other kind of "two parents", whereby ch3 supposedly has both ch2 and mpi_fix_copy as parents, this is specifically the situation discussed by the problem A : that two patches, which ARE STILL IN A CHAIN, nevertheless happen to touch disjunct filesets, and so the question of their order is open (which phf renders "correctly" in the sense of acceptably as he does ; but which is NOT meaningful i

mircea_popescu: every single fucking line you produced in this attempt to double down on the "lalala i can't hear anything" idiocy is flaming, offensive bullshit.

asciilifeform: i'ma leave this apparently immortal zombie thread alone for nao, for sake of own blood pressure.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 04:31 mircea_popescu: but yes, there is no other kind of code besides monolith ; i've had enough "bazaar" for three lifetimes of other people i don't particularly like ; and moreover code ambiguity is fucking nuts.

asciilifeform: i'll admit, i very much dungetit. errybody hated 2015-v from day 1 ? wanted the 1kb patches to be 1MB ? or wat.

asciilifeform: ... and i recommend then to dispense with the pretense of automation, and simply return to signing tarballs. moar honest, and logically equivalent.

a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 19:53 asciilifeform: if i had any reason to think that turning v tree into a forest of vertical stakes , exponentially crowded with IDENTICAL payloads that cannot be machine-compared , would make it easier to tell friend from foe and wisdom from folly -- i would agree with mircea_popescu's algo. but i do not.

mircea_popescu: i'm gonna skip the rest of this nonsense, jesus f christ.

mircea_popescu: but yes, there is no other kind of code besides monolith ; i've had enough "bazaar" for three lifetimes of other people i don't particularly like ; and moreover code ambiguity is fucking nuts. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: 1. problem S (alf's) is entirely spurious and not part of this confersation, go talk to dreamweaver about it ; 2. problem A (trinque's) : "if two patches with same antecedent touch disjunct filesets, how does establish which came first" ; 3. problem X ( ben_vulpes 's) : "if i totally sabotage v into a piece of shit entirely contrary to its everything, will you hit me in the head ?"

asciilifeform: aha. try as i might, original stands so far as best

a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 19:22 asciilifeform: trinque: i'd bet d00d has spells of sobriety, he has afaik already outlived the expected life of a serious meth aficionado

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765282 << there is that. and, as he points out, "lo! i moved!" etc. ☝︎

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765700 << Danke schön. I'd like to escape the arid esl labyrinth so I've been slowly attempting to lerne Deutsch (still "daycare" level though); this may help to kill two birds with one stone. Looking like Kritik der reinen Vernunft would be my logical starting point ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 19:21 trinque: hey after mircea_popescu's various whallops on me about weed, I gave up daily caffeine even.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765278 << teitelbaum gaon sez, excessive virtue still vicious. nothing wrong with a little of whatever now and again, i for that matter drink the occasional cup of coffee and so on. the problem's when it becomes a regular thing, "i am in X circumstance therefore must Y". ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-11-25 00:24 gabriel_laddel: 1000x magnification seems unrealistic - that being said: if I crush some product, take hundreds of images of each sample & use them as input into a neural network along with a 1-10 (bunk-absolute fire) rating y'think it'll get trained to recognize the real deal?

a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 19:16 gabriel_laddel: training a NN on FG output to see if it trains faster so I can sell them

mircea_popescu: this is very much the problem of thinking man, "i know what i like i just don't know what it is" ie http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765170 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: for instance -- i did not observe then that "tab" makes 0 sense, entirely vt100.item to borrow your reference, and will not be maintained. CONTRARY to what i thought at the time, i don't like tabs, i like the thing tabs emulate, which is lisp autoindent

a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 19:06 mod6: my vtron has been discussed very much over the last 2+ years. i remember many disucssions where rules popped out.

mircea_popescu: yes but i like how lisp does it so how about default that

asciilifeform: indentation and whitespace placement in general, oughta be a harem (i.e. terminal config) matter.

asciilifeform: is why i built it, yes

mircea_popescu: explain it to me like i'm new.

mircea_popescu: notrly, i'd be happy with "text is made of words" ; my problem is entirely "text is made of words ARRANGED IN LINES".

mircea_popescu: when i ask for a deposit it won't fucking recur.

asciilifeform: they're simply 'i want a piece of shit that won't recur'

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765119 << this is actually the most cogent critique of phalocentrism in computing i ever read. ☝︎

scriba: Logged on 2018-01-05: [19:03:26] <mircea_popescu> as i say -- i see no way out here ; we'll end up with the v-code + blog-commentary ostrich-camel and god help us./

esthlos: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20180105/#802 << I have an intuition that this is missing a higher symmetry. Why not use v for prose documents?

mircea_popescu: contrary to what pantsuit may be whispering in ear, "here i am, with this 10lb book of which i can read not a word" is a very poor predictor of failure.

mircea_popescu: hey, there's plenty, just not really on the topic [i inferred him to have] asked.

mircea_popescu: absolute ban on english as an avenue to this much in the same way absolute ban to barking as an avenue to opera. i don't care if you're a dog and i don't care if barking comes naturally to you

asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rvNE2/?raw=true << for convenience -- who i have so far.

asciilifeform: i have a ch4 for ben_vulpes but not a ch3...

asciilifeform: i really gotta automate this 'meta' , the existing 'eyeball-powered' one is rather laughable.

asciilifeform: i promise to try it.

asciilifeform: ( btw does trinque have an existing variant-vtron that i can look at the output of ? )

trinque: I proposed two schemes to better model it, and actually like the second better. one was including the entire concatenation's hash in a vpatch. the second was being able to name arbitrary antecedent files without the requirement that diff material follows

asciilifeform: you can sign tarballs right now. i dun see why to even use a vtron then.