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trinque spent yesterday stepping
a musl build from gcc 6 -> 5 -> 4
diana_coman: caller (primegn) in this case does
a very weird thing - the one that actually GOT me into investigating and therefore finding this
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 21:45 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in other 'news' , holy FUQ
a 24cpu box in small enclosed space is LOUD << other difference between old and new hall. New has better acousting dampening
trinque:
a fool and his money soon become
a Lord's caek.
diana_coman: sounds like
a very nice cake danielpbarron
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in other 'news' , holy FUQ
a 24cpu box in small enclosed space is LOUD << other difference between old and new hall. New has better acousting dampening
☟︎ danielpbarron: in other lols, i created an asset on that XCP counterparty thing years ago and i'm looking at it now. thing has
a market cap over 1k USD and not only that, people have actually been trading it in the last half
a year. some guy even has what the site claims is 800 USD worth
mircea_popescu: this is not the ~whole~ problem, but certainly
a pole.
phf: yes, i think so, though i will further add that's not question of just diff, but rather the mismatch between mechanical actions and serialization format in general (there's
a lot of bad examples, like dreamweaver, word, etc. and i can't recall any good examples)
phf: further down asciilifeform elaborates that even technically "noise" is not necessarily just
a property of "bad tool", e.g. changing the radius of
a circle in cartesian coordinates
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 18:56 phf: mircea_popescu: i think that's when one of those arguments where poking at it we discover there's no any substantial disagreement. i think we're thinking of same thing but from slightly different direction. i was thinking whatever we come up with for graphics will still have
a gui interface, where one can use
a mouse, etc. to lay out and modify objects. in that case and given existing models
a diff will produce
a lot of mechanical noise, which is accid
a111: Logged on 2014-04-22 13:17 asciilifeform:
a matchbox. push it, one side pops out, printed with answer!! 'CORRECT.'
mircea_popescu: either that or
a galois space functional whose results on odd numbers counting from 17 produces
a picture of
a naked woman sucking cock.
phf: russian space program style you should also fit
a MOD decoder into the last 27bytes of memory
phf: there's also
a special version for mp, where you can have
a general avatar, who's
a scantily clad elf babe
a111: Logged on 2017-12-15 14:50 mircea_popescu: in case anyone's curious, the 20 bux was for encouraging the folk who made viking age, which is
a quite passible browser game. sorta old warcraft style graphically, othertwise
a tower defense married to the old bonbon "city development" azn thing.
phf: asciilifeform: nintendo, if nothing else, is
a single purpose machine, for gaming, designed by the "salariman can have fun with family 13:00-15:00 sunday" japanese. imho preferable to tivo
mircea_popescu: this was not
a boot. the machine was booted and firefox up. just, COULD NOT LOAD
A PAGE.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was in cafe last week. computer took 5 minutes and >12 warnings/popups to ... not load
a page.
sonic3: yea, don't let me keep you, i feel like i've jumped into
a bigger picture here
sonic3: think you can lend
a hand to the build process if i get stuck?
sonic3: i remember you said i should use
a specific version of the node daemon
sonic3: about running
a full node
mircea_popescu: goes right into discussion of memory above. memory of
a different kind, more resistence-of-the-medium-y.
mircea_popescu: first system ever seen where the dead live amoing the living as
a quite plainly factual matter.
mircea_popescu: it's
a good open question this, "go research and answer why ck-kpss log did not work for them"
mircea_popescu: "and if everyone had
a fucking log where the fuck would mit ever find space to pretend it matters"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 21:32 mircea_popescu: in any case ; i am notorious for
a very poor memory, including complete inability to remember say actresses names.
phf: mircea_popescu: yeah, MIT/symbolics concerned themselves with these things too (the whole "presentation" concept is that of
a entity that's equivalent between code, internal presentation and inline rendering)
mircea_popescu: but the general problem, "how polluting machine genreators HAVE to be and how would they not be" is
a very important point
mircea_popescu:
a large portion of what's being studied there is just how feasible
a "quiet" producer of svg is
phf: ental to understanding. if on the other hand the language we make is designed to be authored by hand, and is authored lightly assisted by tooling, then there's opportunity and
a kind of cognitive pull for the author to make the changes as meaningful as possible. i'm basically ok with working somewhere on that spectrum, but i was preemptively ranting against the kind of patches that communicate nothing but accidental floating point jitter of the graphic
phf: mircea_popescu: i think that's when one of those arguments where poking at it we discover there's no any substantial disagreement. i think we're thinking of same thing but from slightly different direction. i was thinking whatever we come up with for graphics will still have
a gui interface, where one can use
a mouse, etc. to lay out and modify objects. in that case and given existing models
a diff will produce
a lot of mechanical noise, which is accid
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 05:49 mircea_popescu: let's try and understand this : running
a house without
a bipedal dishwasher, either in personam or as the role only, to be filled by whichever of the available persons according to some (arbitrary, male-oppressive-phalocentric, etc) criteria results in the situation where you gotta pay 3 cents whenever you use
a fork. what has been saved ?
mircea_popescu: phf i thought i said explicitly the proposed patching of svg is merely TO TEST the patching system from
a diff perspectrive.
phf: your argument is that careful work aids in understanding, my argument is that when
a computer spits out 30mb svg, it's not any kind of understanding to repeat computers work by hand to recreate that svg
phf: i think you're trying to cut with
a broad sword, where scalpel is required
mircea_popescu: it is
a very naive notion this, "i don't need to, i understand". you, odds aren, don't, and this isn't something to be ashamed of.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-11 20:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform, fwiw I read it as in went through it line by line and with pencil and paper; ran it too at the end, played
a bit around with tests and that; and since we are at this, nitpick: in FZ_Swap why T:=X if already initialised at declaration or what am I missing of Ada in there?
phf: break out that rule paper and work out the graphics like
a man
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure that was my idea :) restating what i'm trying to say is that i can derive meaning out of vpatch by reading it, but i'm not sure i can likewise derive meaning out of
a svg diff by simply reading it. i suppose the assumption here is that svg was produced and edited by computer means, where imposing meaning on the sequence of modifications is not the primary (and often tricky) concern
mircea_popescu: phf was your idea that "well maybe you just don't have
a very clear picture of what x was in the first place, gotta press to it" ? ie, accumulating mental errors over the patch flow to GET TO x ?
mircea_popescu: how do you go from state to state other than through
a diff/patch ?
mircea_popescu: phf either i'm not understanding what
a .vpatch is or wut ?
mircea_popescu: but the idea is, getting an automated patch process going may throw
a different light on this whole thing and turn out most informative.
mircea_popescu: guy could actually publish the item as
a succession of patches, and speaking of this : hey trinque, could you be enticed to actually genesis that item, and patch it weekly ?
mircea_popescu: whereas when it comes to clearsigned matter, you CAN find yourself in
a b and
a is not applicable.
mircea_popescu: nobody will EVER find themselves in the situation of BOTH
a) hurr durr, i am at leisure now let me make
a patch and b) o noes, i am in distress now, can not run basic machinery.
phf: i supper proper presentation of fg schematics in
a v-tron is either in the style of the marine chronometer book i have next to me or not at all. "taking first the essentials, c is the escape wheel. the escapement consists of the bar E, carrying the two projections e, e' etc". everything else ought to be handled separately
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 16:33 mircea_popescu: trinque can you run <g id="graph0" class="graph" transform="scale(1 1) rotate(0) translate(4 15840.7)"> on
a dataset composed of log link references / nick references ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is
a specious argument ; "o noes, little em impulses on
a platter are nor readable with my puny fingers"
phf: the ast direction moves away from patches as literature (which is i think what mp is saying from
a different direction?)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 02:05 mircea_popescu recalls somewhat fondly old days of "put the model in and wait
a few hours for to find out how you fucked it up this time"
trinque: the whitespace thing though is
a fine cut of it, since the next step incurs orders of magnitude more complexity (parser per lang)
phf: " I use space as
a terminator and words execute immediately, there is no CR to mark the end of the line. There are no CRs, just space delimiters. I currently have BS and Delete. I would like to keep only two special keys, BS and
a key to exit. I think I would prefer BS over Delete."
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is the important, v-powered realisation here : there can NOT BE such
a thing as bit-ambiguity in
a source. if "this bit being either set or null has no effect" you have
a problem, which must be addressed. because it sure as fuck isn't acceptabru to read diffs of style in
a patch. patches are for substantive change.
phf: asciilifeform: i've had
a more detailed quote on the dead machine, but the less detailed equivalent is “I use my own 0-Z character set. It is
a six bit character set. It only has upper case and there is no distinction between the letter "O" and zero.”