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diana_coman: for sanity I just checked by the way that the exact same machine DOES in fact build successfully GNAT with those same scripts without the sjlj added requirement
diana_coman: at least to have some idea if the move to gcc that builds static only has to do with it
diana_coman: anyways, I'll try presently ave1's previous version i.e. http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support/ ☟︎
diana_coman: exorted makeopts and then run the build-ada.sh in short
deedbot: BingoBoingo rated mod6 4 << TRB, Pizarro, testing of things
diana_coman: hm, full replica might require I upload somewhere the tarballs too since at least 1 link was broken ; anyways, it's with http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-always-static/ + taken out the download script for ada2016 because broken link + added GCC_CONFFLAGS="--enable-sjlj-exceptions" to extraconfig.sh ; set path to point to existing and working adacore 2016 gnat + put all tarballs in their place ☟︎
BingoBoingo: !!rate mod6 4 TRB, Pizarro, testing of things
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of cazalla from 8 to 1 << Qntra editor emiritus presently making tracks in the trackless waste
asciilifeform brb, tea
BingoBoingo: !!rate cazalla 1 Qntra editor emiritus presently making tracks in the trackless waste
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to briefly describe how you set up this build, so i can replicate locally
diana_coman: but I start suspecting the --enable-sjlj-exceptions + static only -> barf ☟︎
asciilifeform: the 2nd eggog is also a constraint eggog, thrown in bottom of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YUqze/?raw=true
diana_coman: asciilifeform, certainly not moved during the build; it says 16:34 gmt now so doubt it's a problem
asciilifeform: ( or moved during the build ?? )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'Error detected around a-calend.adb:801:11' >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fCaiF/?raw=true << is there any chance yer clock is off ?
asciilifeform: i didn't even see any mention of 'crypto', other than a 2017 piece where he gripes about uninvited js minerism
asciilifeform: ( aside from pro virii-bakers , for tests. but d00d dun seem to be 1 of ~these~ )
asciilifeform looked at linked www, seems to have.. buncha reviews of winblowz av!! who the fuck ~collects~ winblows av?!
mircea_popescu: needless to say... there's a lohohohohooot of these.
mircea_popescu: (for thread completness : dood's a "crypto skeptic" for the simple reason that i told 'em to get in back in 2011, when ro speakers were going through a phase of our-homegoat-just-as-good-as-mp's-mercedes, and so of course they "knew better" then. romanians are dumb enough to get locked into these permamently, just like any other rural morons.)
mircea_popescu: as a smart woman once said, "to have fun you need to organize it". i know, cuz i wrote her.
mircea_popescu: nicoleci kitten, check out latest comments, local troll dug out the linkedin of this lulzcow. write to them, say hi an' tell 'em your master ordered you to.
BingoBoingo: They gotta sell their Pol Pot plan for stability somehow.
mircea_popescu: beat the wives more.
mircea_popescu: first "global warming", that didn't pan out, then "climate change", that also didn't pan out, now it's "nothing in particular" and i'm supposed to take them seriously ?
mircea_popescu: when the fuck is weather ~stable~ ? maybe in sahara.
mircea_popescu: except that's WHAT FUCKING WEATHER MEANS.
BingoBoingo: And it comes out GNAT has never been tested before to the extent the Republic is testing it
diana_coman doesn't yet know wtf that is exactly - will go and dig
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 06:24 mircea_popescu: aaand also meanwhile, but this time in http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/ lulz : https://weather.com/news/news/2019-02-11-hawaii-storm-record-cold-maui-snow
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896880 << That slow walk to "weather instability" as their new buzzword ☝︎
diana_coman: fwiw yesterday I had in parallel this recompile task going too, but all sorts of stuff going with it so it's still ongoing (and apparently I'll have afterwards to write-it up as well, on top of the sjlj data )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 02:45 mircea_popescu: diana_coman so in the end, the conclusion of these procedings is, we're switching to sjlj and use no handlers ? did you ever manage to get it going on smg test server ?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896874 -> pending getting finally ave1's gnat recompiled with sjlj and then running it on smg test server, I'd say switching to sjlj + no handlers is pretty much the only currently available option anyway ☝︎
mircea_popescu: aaand also meanwhile, but this time in http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/ lulz : https://weather.com/news/news/2019-02-11-hawaii-storm-record-cold-maui-snow ☟︎
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ : bitcoin's still capped at 21mn (pantsuit still claiming this is bad) ; usg's confetti just passed 22... quadrillion or some shit (pantsuit still claiming that 1. it is capped and 2. nothing to be worried about -- not even self-contradiction). http://www.usdebtclock.org/ has some tickers.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 23:45 asciilifeform: so produced garbage ( but ordered!111 and therefore fascinating!111 to certain folx ) garbage.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in crazy coincidences : speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896828 trilema commenters dug out.... well, there was this antique trilema hater / goffy ununderstood soul / fellow with talent & issues that kept deleting his blog (only to resurect it periodically). well, in this 5th or 9th or whatever resurected phase, what is he writing about YESTERDAY if not... https://ludditus.com/2019/02/10/nostalgia-fun-w ☝︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so in the end, the conclusion of these procedings is, we're switching to sjlj and use no handlers ? did you ever manage to get it going on smg test server ? ☟︎
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/wall-street-1987/ << Trilema -- Wall Street (1987)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman do you have any pressing itches re the asm vivisections , or can table it for nao ?
asciilifeform won't be surprised if 1 day we learn that it only happens if you click on the bottom serif of a lower case 's' or somesuch
asciilifeform: ( does that thing invoke rng somewhere?! )
asciilifeform: all the moar headachy
asciilifeform: grr couldn't reproduce 2nd time
mircea_popescu: i select, clicked footnote, select again, it works throughout ?
asciilifeform won a http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes/ in trilemalotto today. classic piece, but observe that clicking on the 'internal' footnote linx throws the selector script into same bug as on asciilifeform's site
asciilifeform: sysop kicked the drum disk to get it goin'.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's brother worked on 1, in '90 or so. thing powered a hall of 32 glass terminals , occupied ~24/7 by hungry undergrads
asciilifeform: 4MB aint enuff to e.g. trb inside. tho 1 could rsa in it.
asciilifeform for yrs nao has wanted to build some boxen around sovok k1801, but was never able to justify the sweat in light of war effort -- the demand for iron wallets and similar , even among folx with 3rd eye open, seems to be pretty minimal.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-18 17:49 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888188 << oh hey , was this same grandfather as 'i miss stalin, we were younger then' ?
asciilifeform: i would almost say 'i had moar fun with that thing than ever did with pc', but this is prolly http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888232 -effect. ☝︎
asciilifeform was given 'mk61' at same age i think diana_coman's kid is nao ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( before mircea_popescu answers 'holy mother of fuck, this is chemically-pure wankery' -- yes, it was. but imho still beats shit out of redditism. )
diana_coman: at any rate, I think it would make a far better item to send kids to investigate than many "projects"
asciilifeform: for folx who dun ru -- eggogs had 'depth', which referred to how many ops you persisted with after already eggoging
asciilifeform: and all cuz the folx at 'angstron' didn't have laser, like intel's, to snip off the defective chunk of the ic on conveyor, lol
asciilifeform: on that 1 calc
asciilifeform: contains such things as 'beasts', 'werewolves', 'darkness' , 'monsters', all named 'effects'
asciilifeform: https://pmk.arbinada.com/node/12 << for the troo aficionado.
diana_coman: ahahah, that garbage story is great
asciilifeform: one could actually ffa on that ( if somehow find one ! )
asciilifeform: ( interestingly, still produced! at privatized 'angstrom co', but not sold to humans afaik )
asciilifeform: in ru there are some decent microscopists ( not the 1 phf went to, but apparently others. ) for instance, very recently found that К1801 ( sovok 'pdp-11' single-chip ) was ~not~ in fact a photoclone of dec's (only the early '80s demo ver was!) but , turns out, entirely indigenous orc design, with coupla x ~fewer~ transistors and yet faster max clock ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( surprise ? they had smt pcb in sovok )
asciilifeform: http://www.artem.ru/calc/2.jpg << subj is under the large white paint stain.
asciilifeform: ( and think, that was a ~hand-drawn~ chip, with coupla thou. transistor. )
asciilifeform: this sorta thing happens to this day.
mircea_popescu: ok that's a great one.
asciilifeform: so produced garbage ( but ordered!111 and therefore fascinating!111 to certain folx ) garbage. ☟︎
asciilifeform: what found, was that the 'eggog instrs' were meant to be various floatingpointisms, that didn't work out in the last chip revision, and so left out of the manual
asciilifeform: but for 30 yrs the aficionados had nfi what thing actually did when eggoged. until microscopist.
asciilifeform: much noise was made re the peculiar results of running various
asciilifeform: ^ ancient sovok programmable calculator. had entire subculture, of , among other things, 'eggogology'
asciilifeform: but requires a bit deeper cut than 'i'ma run $snippet and time'
asciilifeform: and it's exactly what asciilifeform intends to do to e.g. the bolix.
asciilifeform: with thinking, rather than brute force ( nobody will live to see even 2^128 bit of phase space walked via brute force, do the arithm )
mircea_popescu: software's faster than hardware.
mircea_popescu: and the mechanism that'll work on intell will then work on xilinx, and so on.
mircea_popescu: but this can be wrested out from it!
asciilifeform: also did not say that profiling is useless, profiling -- worx, and is a must for anyffin where you actually give a fuck re performance. but what we aint got on pc, is anything like an actual grasp of wtf the thing does and precisely why.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman was there, even!
mircea_popescu: (this may sound far-fetched to our foreign friends ; but the exact thing happened to me before.
asciilifeform: which is not to say that you can say ~nothing~ -- can say many things (e.g. the point re the reorder lock, stands for all current x86 irons)
asciilifeform: it aint a z80, thing is finite yes, but coupla MB of state .
asciilifeform seen many times
asciilifeform: and then you pick up chip made on a tuesday, and it has diff mechanics than what they sold on wednesday of same wk.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a stateful box of ??? ( rumour is, not even orig vendor can fully describe the phase space )
mircea_popescu: why you do the matrix in the first place. you identify the attactors and so on
asciilifeform: yer talking to 1 of the few remaining. (and perhaps only because asciilifeform dun often asm , knows measure)
asciilifeform: this is why most 'i'ma do it in asm!' folx by nao have drunk to death.
asciilifeform: eh and then you make your case switch 4-legged instead of 3 somewhere, and all readings change.
mircea_popescu: end up with converged values and whatever else, put them in a matrix and have a matrix-table.
mircea_popescu: precisely through same process as yielded here, timings for serpent etc, there's readily recognizable meta-structures
mircea_popescu: yes, but we can actually print it, if we get that bored.
asciilifeform actually has the manuals, intel's and amd's, they eat a good bit of shelf
asciilifeform: they haven't printed 'tick table' since old pentium.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: manual is silent, for the most part, on subj.