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mircea_popescu: yeah, but if you try it solo should take you to http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-images-no-longer-showing/
asciilifeform: loads via the article, as intended
mircea_popescu: well, i did what the article proposes, set my referrer to trilema permanently, so i always see trilema pics.
asciilifeform: ( try it, by clicking from phf's log )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems to redirect to random article
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shouldn't eggog, should redirect you to explainy.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897225 << the former link eggogs, but i think this is by design, on acct of mircea_popescu's anti-hotlinker pill ☝︎
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/02/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-july-august-and-september-1716-part-v/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of July, August and September, 1716. - Part V.
asciilifeform: ( i dun currently use, but it's definitely going into the final revs of ffa )
asciilifeform: phunphakt : ada std includes a pragma that manually throws a string for bin auditor to read, in selected spot.
asciilifeform: ^ btw diana_coman if you build with -d , the var_xxx liquishit can be made into varnames.
asciilifeform: ^ the magic moment.
asciilifeform: .text:00000000000005B8 call tasks__abort_tasks
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : plox to lemme know if yer interested in magnifying glass treatment of some particular aspect.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/feb_16_adatests_o.html << for utter thread-completeness, the main unit.
asciilifeform: ( to add insult to injury, erry time i post 1 of these, i gotta manually switch font to monospace and remove the winturd line endings, cuz the joys of closedsores proggy )
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 01:10 asciilifeform: ida is a particularly interesting case because it is a TOTAL monopoly
asciilifeform: ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455082 thrd ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: incidentally, re the posted htm, no yer box aint broken, there really aint any clickable links therein (why not? in what's undisputably world's best disasmer ? cuz world's best disasmer is actually not so great , compared to what's obviously possible )
mircea_popescu: as per the "this is the shop where we don't have talapia. the shop where they don't have salmon is down the street"
asciilifeform still got good # of the latter
mircea_popescu: the "textbooks" this generation of mostly female, mostly useless college kids don't read are very fucking different from the textbooks we didn't read twenty years ago.
asciilifeform: but the proggy .o seems to be exactly as expected ( if diana_coman has time, can try with the old gnat and see if in fact bitwise-same or not )
asciilifeform: nao this is not a complete answr to 'what does it do, EXACTLY' cuz that also ropes in the ~2MB of standard lib
asciilifeform: ^ near as i can tell, it uses exactly same scheme as the old gnat's sjlj-mode handlers
diana_coman: I added a delay in there before the final check of tasks
BingoBoingo: Princevard, harMIT, they all blend together
mircea_popescu: you know ? but ty!
BingoBoingo: AHA, the perils of searching for keywords so strongly associated with constant failure
diana_coman: i.e I want to see what did it do
diana_coman: asciilifeform, they abort; we are sawing them open because I don't trust it anymore re "what does it actually do exactly"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: are we sawing'em open because it dun actually abort, or simply to compare with old gnat's sjlj , tho ? ☟︎
diana_coman: mircea_popescu yes + I must say I like the idea of "rip'em open after tea" - sounds great; but other than that: I'll try objdump too since after this gnat-adventure I'd rather have some way to look inside it
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it's of course cheaper to just ship the object files to him
asciilifeform: ( 1 of those things for which there aint a complete substitute, sadly, if yer doing serious reversing )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i hesitate to addict folx to ida, it's a gnarly ball of proprietary liquishit, and needs a toilet box with 'wine' to run etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think she means to learn how it's done.
asciilifeform: ( or even if they work )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if they dun abort and you want another detailed vivisect, feel free to post'em, i'ma rip'em open after tea
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll have to dig, but it sounds very familiar
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you by any chance recall the princeton "trained psychologist" on okcupid who couldn't spell but was nevertheless doing diagnosing over the phone ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ida, but objdump -d proc.o will do the job likewise ( in slightly gnarlier format )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, how did you vivisect that pair of binaries? I'd rather do it to see what came out since otherwise I have only this "oh, now it DOES kill tasks!"
a111: Logged on 2019-02-16 02:32 mircea_popescu: so yeah, much like retarded russkis go "oh, we too businessmen, gave $dork state income, now he can buy suit" ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788430 finest example), the ustards are all "oh, gave computing to wintel, can has tech!!!"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897170 << they have both types ( bezos et al ) neh ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Buenas tardes asciilifeform
diana_coman: after all the struggle I'm still looking suspiciously at it, lol
a111: Logged on 2019-02-16 10:07 bvt: hello. ave1: doesn't makefile.in in gcc-interface tweak it with sed to the necessary value?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: could plz tar up that built gnat and post ? i have a suspicion ( to get ljmp with old gnat, i had to set include paths on my box )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-16 00:53 asciilifeform: they're as diff as x86 an' x64
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897122 <-- the armv7-armv8 gap is even bigger than x86-x64. armv8 is an entirely new arch, also has 32-bit mode (called aarch32), but that's completely backward incompatible with armv7 ☝︎
diana_coman: ave1, ah, thanks! I'll set it to false and try again then
bvt: hello. ave1: doesn't makefile.in in gcc-interface tweak it with sed to the necessary value? ☟︎
ave1: I'm currenlty building with it set to False, but it is True in the distributed files
ave1: diana_coman, in system-linux-*.ads (in gcc/ada directory) you'll find the line: ZCX_By_Default : constant Boolean := False; ☟︎
diana_coman: when I say "it built" above I mean specifically those versions: http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-no-more-usrincludex86_64-linux-gnu/ and http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support/ i.e. both static only and previous
diana_coman: rts-sjlj with its own adainclude/ and so on; so I am back to my previous obv that this flag per se is apparently not enough
diana_coman: update re builds: it built fine with --enable-sjlj-exceptions in place, checked it in the log and yes, it's set; but the result still seems to be build ada code with zcx in fact (i.e. my test code with tasks is STILL hung waiting for them to abort) and if I specify --rts=sjlj to gprbuild it complains that there is no native compiler for ada and so can't do anything; ftr I compared the dirs of my adacore install and it has this specific dir
diana_coman: ave1, it was the link that downloaded the gcc src and stuff for adacore2016 ; after that first fail I just copied my own stuff into tarballs/ , packed properly and never really bothered with the rest i.e. it builds all offline now anyway
ave1: O wait, I tried with: http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-no-more-usrincludex86_64-linux-gnu/
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 16:12 diana_coman: hm, full replica might require I upload somewhere the tarballs too since at least 1 link was broken ; anyways, it's with http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-always-static/ + taken out the download script for ada2016 because broken link + added GCC_CONFFLAGS="--enable-sjlj-exceptions" to extraconfig.sh ; set path to point to existing and working adacore 2016 gnat + put all tarballs in their place
ave1: diana_coman, re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896922, all the links worked this morning, could you tell me which one failed for you? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: well, if you don't have experience with it or anything, it's not urgent -- can continue with cuntoo, can switch to this, either way.
ave1: not yet, I'm now trying to get the build up and running
ave1: I'll park that and start running the gnat build script.
ave1: I was working on getting a cuntoo up (which is going slow, I need to relearn to build a kernel, this used to be a lot easier 20 years ago)
ave1: and read all the gnat problems
ave1: goodmorning, I was digesting te logs
mircea_popescu: meanwhile -- no they don't have any tech, much like the zimbuzz dun have music.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: "Like a bad ass she is, she proved to be wise beyond her years by standing head and shoulders (Or is it ass-tall) with the boys." doesn't even INTEND irony, you realise.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, much like retarded russkis go "oh, we too businessmen, gave $dork state income, now he can buy suit" ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788430 finest example), the ustards are all "oh, gave computing to wintel, can has tech!!!" ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: but everything works exacrtly the same outside of this one detail, specifically as in http://trilema.com/2018/you-know-who-the-best-us-president-was-how-about-andrew-johnson/#selection-317.267-317.1139
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, the cardboard "entrepreneurs" don't exist in the us like in the orcistans, as named individuals. they're named... legal persons.
asciilifeform: idjit squid swallows own tentacle.
asciilifeform: phat lotta good it did, tho.
asciilifeform: ( at the time nsa was single largest operator of crays )
asciilifeform: phunnily enuff, there is record that chairman of nsa filed an Official protest during the destruction of orig. cray co.
asciilifeform: usg as early as in 1980s very muchly disliked the existence of multi-vendor high-perf cpu. was too hard to keep from being sold to untermenschen, see.
asciilifeform: note that at the time of death, each and erry one of these archs wiped the floor with intel's offering, esp. per-watt
asciilifeform: all to try an' prop up the wintel nonsense hegemony.
asciilifeform: then they proceeded to wipe out alpha , then hp ( also quite reasonable 'pa-risc' 64-bit irons, i had one ) .
asciilifeform: this killed the (very reasonable) 64bit mips.
asciilifeform: for history aficionados, the opening shot of that slaughter was when sgi was usgized and permitted to swallow cray, and shortly after proclaimed that 'crays' henceforth would be made of pentiums
asciilifeform: ( leaving aside the fact that it is a shit arch on multiple levels of design, much like x86, only real diff is that it dun come with 35 yrs of legacy crapola )
asciilifeform: but as i undertand, arm is permitted to 'just barely work', it Would Not Do (tm) for it to compete with intelism on heavy irons , somehow
asciilifeform: usg.dept-of-microshit systematically exterminated all the sane archs in late '90s. arm was introduced (from pile of shit 'acorn' in uk) as an 'unprincipled exception' , for pnojeism, which -- try as one might -- dunwork so much on x86 w/ any battery anybody's yet devised
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 19:29 mircea_popescu: o, speaking of "women in tech" : after thoroughly wrecking yahoo (eerily reminiscent of carly fiorina's "performance" at meanwhile disappeared compaq/hp), melissa meyer disappeared from view ; leaving verizon to pick up teh pieces.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 14:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624146 << alpha was already half-dead when hp swallowed compaq, in '02. iirc compaq shitburied it in '01 and sold all rights to intel, who proclaimed the arch now known as 'itanic' as its replacement.
mircea_popescu: cursory familiarity with the state of the computing stack (and, implicitly, the utter ridiculousness of any wasp-remnant notions of "the public oppionion" and "wouldn't permit" etc) would have saved that white haired tard a lot of unplesantness down in ecuador embassy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would not go so far as to say 'entirely useless', 2ce the bitness gets you 2ce the rsa speed for same clock.
asciilifeform: the electricals are exactly same as for the soldered-down crap
asciilifeform: i found ~one~, chinese, for ~more~ than the cost of serious opteron with complete filling.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not even 'tb', but go an' try to find on market arm box of ~any~ description that eats ordinary socketed dimms ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-01 02:08 asciilifeform: or the pumping stations ( unmarked on maps, cuz 'strategic', but quite visible from street )
mircea_popescu believes the tb ram arm is one of them http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-01#1891303 ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thread was re mid-2000s lappies. ( i have moar recent ones, which have e.g. 32GB in'em etc )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-06 15:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's not so much win from 64 on lappies where max ram e.g. 3GB.
asciilifeform: but that's pretty much all
asciilifeform wonders why arm64 even exists, not to mention displaced arm7, cuz afaik you can't actually ~buy~ an arm8 box with >4G of ram in it
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 20:02 diana_coman: darn, ofc there are TWO flags to set to the same thing i.e. one for bootstrapper and one for the resulting gnat