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mircea_popescu: they may omit to implement any meaningful utility or security ; what they will NEVER omit is a fully implementation of the ideology.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 17:49 asciilifeform: or disgorge, via any means short of full bore crack, anything previously written therein , as a file
mircea_popescu: giving a bad name to both respectability and dissolution at the same time!
phf: i think mr. gerard came up here in a different context, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1725992 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i guess we leave him a note.
mircea_popescu: did he ever answer to why is he such a despicable piece of shit ?
mircea_popescu: it's a complicated topic, ben_vulpes ; do not expect "this one weird trick" cures.
danielpbarron: i've noticed a few times my node saw a block before bc.i but they end up listing it before mine verifies
ben_vulpes: wowee, when i reload blockchain.info first it shows one number for how long a block's been advertised and then shortly thereafter, another number indicating they've known about it for longer than they said at first!
BigTexasBingo: Hola, shit latino navidad has a fuckton of fireworks
shinohai: That's a good idea too ... timeout knob.
ben_vulpes: shinohai: howabout a timeout knob? every <configurable> minutes after the last block, pushgetblocks to all peers?
shinohai: Dunno what others think, but I would prefer this as a knob to turn on/off
trinque: mircea_popescu: lovely, any holiday worth a shit has explosions.
ben_vulpes: c block means a.b.c.d right?
ben_vulpes: and eyy, just caught a block before blockchain.info
shinohai: gimmie a moment .... shitty fone
shinohai: So shinohai managed to acquire decent hotel room on Xmas eve in old hometown .... and has a curious fake plant that resembles marijuana sitting in corner.
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2tKj7/?raw=true current vpatch for the curious, will post to ml after letting it run for a while
ben_vulpes: otherwise v.pl won't recognize it as a seal.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758221 << word. i think there's a half dozen websites dissected on trilema displaying the exact behaviour. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: god sent him a sign, what's he going to do with it.
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em, the salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the self-same drowning. god may mercifully send you a sign, but that's already asking for too much.
ben_vulpes: ftr, i dun expect a response
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you (or anybody) has a contact for this gregory pery tard (i dun imagine totallynotrobots@protonmail.com actually works ?), maybe point out to him that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758148 and it's really ridoinculous to be wasting his weeks to freely support the usg pile of evil ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: recall we had a discussion re star breaking nat crapolade. but you need the stars and a system specifically designed to use them, as there contemplate
mircea_popescu: this is the problem here : you get a bunch of "nodes" which only connect out, and a few nodes who get hammered. and since no serious thought was given to
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes a node behind a NAT is not capable of being addressed. so it receives no inbound, merely connects out. so it does not participate in lessening the load.
ben_vulpes suffering from a confusion of ideas
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 20:45 ben_vulpes: traveling through the suburban wastelands yesterday, i tried a 'starbucks' croissant for lols, thinking to myself, 'imagine if they can screw up the croissant'. and lo, it was terrible. no flake, all soft spongiform inside.
mircea_popescu: if that limit is not there, you can readily encounter a situation where one of the 10 is taken down every other hour by 90 inbound connections. or at least -- more readily.
mircea_popescu: with the limit of 8, you have the 10 receiving no more than 720 connections, ie 7.2 on average, with a linear distrib max of 15 ? so you can live a standard of "and can handle 16 conns" for a "proper" box
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes suppose your relay network is 100 nodes ; suppose 10 of those are real nodes and 90 of those bullshit nodes behind a nat in a zek's house somewhere.
mircea_popescu: (if node is behind nat -- it is a drag and naught else)
mircea_popescu: i know it seemed all great and fabulous back when deskilling brought about abominables a la condolezza rice as "secretary of state" notwithstanding strict incapacity of any sort of thinking
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> iirc hanbot was using it to do something trilema-related, sounded happy with it. << yeah, i'm working on setting it up with a (partial in all senses) trilema post index, see if it makes finding posts in chan easier since google is ~useless for it. trinque's ircbot as posted has been a joy.
asciilifeform: if yer a nobody, and you were to show up with a ~serious~ 0day : you have 1000x chance of getting 'weev'-ed, rather than paid .
asciilifeform: the 3 or 4 people on the planet who can actually SELL 0days , knowing they'll be paid 1) know who they are 2) wouldn't even cough and spit for a mere 500 , esp if paid in taxolade 3) don't deal with 'uber' et al, or any 'responsible-disclosure'-pushing usg.tentacle , not for promises of three kingdoms and five princesses
asciilifeform: 'If you invest any time and effort into HackerOne Bug Bounties, HackerOne does not honor their minimum bug bounty guarantee, and will not go to bat for you if you have a dispute with one of their well-placed vendors such as Uber.' << noshit.jpg
ben_vulpes: and they need a next gen authentication framework to fix it...
asciilifeform: 'I put together a Python-based client that can talk to Uber’s backends, to start harvesting OAuth2 tokens for entropy analysis and to see if there are any issues with their PRNG. What’s weird though is that the OAuth2 token doesn’t ever change, and I can’t find anything in the Uber developer documentation that deals with token expiration; literally the same token I was issued when I first created my Uber account for testing i
asciilifeform: but nao we're talking about a day or three of work.
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform discovered that it is impossible to use trinque's bot on fleanode if connecting from a shitazon session:
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: some of the bread eaten in blockade-era leningrad , was, i suspect, a serious step ahead of 'starbucks'.
ben_vulpes: traveling through the suburban wastelands yesterday, i tried a 'starbucks' croissant for lols, thinking to myself, 'imagine if they can screw up the croissant'. and lo, it was terrible. no flake, all soft spongiform inside. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: and no, opinions don't exist here if they don't come from *a person*, which is predicated on an identity.
ben_vulpes: Hssgh5337k: you could at least mention these skills; otherwise it reeks of "i'm a magical pony and YOU DON'T UNDERSTAAAAND"
ben_vulpes: a pies, ideally
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:22 weevlos: 2) thats only close to a month of operations budget
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 17:46 ben_vulpes: dude this is epic, girl would rather talk about calendar offsets than earn a bitcent an hour reading the log
asciilifeform: single-threaded, locking gossip, is a sad thing tho.
mircea_popescu: this is what a "gossip" network is all about.
asciilifeform: q is why 'eventually' is a week, 2 weeks
asciilifeform: ( if i know of a nextblock, and i'm peering with mircea_popescu , and he doesn't, or vice-versa -- the boxes oughta share )
asciilifeform: incidentally, this is a pretty sad situation, if even 1 of us has a node at block B, but everybody else somehow floundering at B-k, for some positive k
asciilifeform: the 'find and open debug.log somewhere' is a winblowzism.
trinque: I dunno a linux on earth that can't log the direct output of a service
asciilifeform: i'd like to get a sense for where blocks come from.
asciilifeform: what i'd like to see is 'was it from a trb?'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: consider making a patch ?
asciilifeform: i'ma thinking already about next level of possible 'aggression' : namely to pushgetblocks() at ALL running peers, if >20min pass, say, without a new block received
trinque: a complicating factor of me testing the version string is that while ahead, I may be feeding other TRBs, while not, not.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: one thing i do with logbot is to use postgres as a queue so that a background worker can do all of the thinking and crashing without thrashing the irc connection
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 16:46 asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque what do you recommend for a talking-in-chan bot-tron ? i'd like to hook up 'ffacalc'...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aa see i was making a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757976 . ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'blockchain'ism is simply a very expensive means of approximating a solution to this problem.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 16:31 asciilifeform: it is worth recalling the gedankenexperiment where it turns out that all you'd need to build 'martian bank' on earth, is if martians merely supplied an infallible 'martian clock', a service whereby they take a string S , at regular, say, daily, interval, and return its hash H
asciilifeform: ( if you ~could~ get a 'fixed star' , all sorts of marvels not found in nature become possible, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621087 ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: there is not, nor could there be, a fixed-star for existence proofs. even classical blockchain has the obvious limitations ( discussed numerously, see l0gz )
mircea_popescu: an evident issue would be of course that if ownership is implemented as-to-specified-coin as seen in bitcoin, then E has a ready avenue -- "all txn including spends from my own addresses are mine". this is a somewhat weakening of the premise, but perhaps sufficient.
asciilifeform: nah, there's a time parameter
mircea_popescu: let observer E know l1...li of this wot. let observer E observe a P signed by a subset l1...lm of his wot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's model this. let "patch" be a bitfield ; let wot be comprised of l1...ln.
mircea_popescu: this is a sort of gossipd-meets-the original "can't have signature repudiation" problem you encountered in comments there, but REVERSED.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu has thought of a meaning for it that doesn't 'a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others' -- i'm all ears
mircea_popescu: nobody can know WHO truly authored a patch. just what set of the signatories signed it that they're willing to share with him
mircea_popescu: (in fact it is perhaps obvious that was designed with a view to THIS, rather than "extant battlefield")
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 16:22 mircea_popescu: anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con
mircea_popescu: nobody asks this ; but anyway, if bitcoin prototyping is any guide, 1kb per entry should suffice ; in which case current computing could in principle actually support a coinset between 1mn and 1bn coins.
mircea_popescu: "new bitcoin has 1mn coins ; which can not be split ; to move a coin from nill address to your address you must [...] ; to move a coin from x address to y address you must [...]".
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, the replacement-pistols will simply be a patch set.
mircea_popescu: and you don't want to end up with a split code branch
asciilifeform: it ain't a substitute for the cut-up, no.
asciilifeform: because there's a possibility of speeding sync 100-200x... ( the obvious way. if block sha512's, or keccak's, etc. to a checksum-cum-heighposition that is signed by node owner's l1 -- then ACCEPT )
a111: Logged on 2016-03-16 11:07 mircea_popescu: which, ungenerously enough, seems just a step away from the breakdown specific to shitholes like argentina, where people altogether don't even comprehend words are in any sense meaningful, above and beyond the chirping captive populations of chickens do to reassure each other.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-07 23:12 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu at the time said that the thing really oughta eat a programmable set of checkpoint
asciilifeform: nothing, took me a minute or so to recall that indeed it is posted
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque what do you recommend for a talking-in-chan bot-tron ? i'd like to hook up 'ffacalc'... ☟︎
asciilifeform: ... it is equally conceivable that the thing is a pure win, and dun need to become a knob. we'll see.
asciilifeform: ( and may have to be turned into a toggle knob )
mircea_popescu: but yes, within-republic it's a major improvement.
asciilifeform: thing's been purring along, incidentally, at almost 100% blockverificationdutycycle, for most of a day nao.
asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly, but before i fughet, observation : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755826 i.e. bastardry handler, is unproductive because it asks 'fill in what we're missing', but 99 out of 100 shots, that's ~another~ bastard. really instead it ought to either 1) send a normal pushgetblocks() to the bastard-emitter , asking him for the ~one and only block we won't reject~, it being the immediately-next-one-after-our-topheight , or ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in the end it might turn out that vhs-america aborted itself because it listened to a bunch of mediocre women that just wanted an easy time teaching highschool ; but couldn't come out with it because puritan perversion.
mircea_popescu: factually, however, ustardian pantsuit visited africa [the nation of~] where they discovered that all-girl classes are a lot easier for the local subtards to handle than mixed classes they had at home
a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 17:05 asciilifeform: they have a phrase they use amongst themselves, 'societal security'.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:27 mircea_popescu: that is after all the point, neh, to somehow get as large a headcount as possible through the various gates (born, college, credit cards, mortgage, retirement hgome etc) WITHOUT "harming the environment" which in any practical sesne means... without changing anything.
asciilifeform: kurchatov could strike a gentleman's understanding with stalin. but would have 'snowball's chance in hell' against a committee.
asciilifeform: it also only works where you have a throne room. would do 0 against a fungus.
asciilifeform: stalin summoned kurchatov to the throne room, and described to him 'we're gonna have a cleanup, in physics, like in genetics, what do you think'