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mircea_popescu: there's programmers, and
then
there's fuzzgamers. which are more like gamers
than grammers.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ah right,
there was all
that huh. american industries.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but you see it as an improvement because you perceive it forces
their hands down
the right path, whether
they want
to or not. it's a rapeprovement.
mircea_popescu: you can not in fact define symbols after
the fact (and i don't mean just
the elf
technical
term -- all symbols).
the only way
to define a symbol is by its parents.
mircea_popescu: in fact,
there's a long line of illustrious ancestors who, having spotted
this problem (wtf is foo ?!) attempted
to solve it ~the very wrong way~, ie, by definition. hence not just ai winter, but microscopically naggum's sgi misadventures and so on.
mircea_popescu: (note
that
the
tempting "obvious" approach -- describe foo
then!!! -- is not only fucking broken, but broken in
the exact way minsky wasted life
trying
to produce.
there can not be ~description~,
the only way
to induce meaning in
the machine is
through filiation. v-produced foo has a very strict "wtf is it ??" answer associated, but also very fine and not structure-driven.)
mircea_popescu: if
they had fully qualified descriptors instead of "filename" it'd be all rosy ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so basically it all comes down
to a gns absence issue ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> maybe just link it ; but even so i'm nopt sure what "uch offers and promises none of
these cities would abide
the
tin woman passing his dick pic around
to all her friends
that aren't him" means. <<
ties into
the second archive link where... gossip rags are
trying
to monetize his sexts
mircea_popescu: "socialism doesn't do
things properly, it's against
the religion. errything must be sorta-halvsies and
then
forgiven. "
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not do it properly
then, get rid of symbol clashing as a concept altogether, let everything be
the last
thing it was and be done with it.
mircea_popescu: "but
the mechanism for symbol clashing exists for a reason"
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i
think is
the right size, it crashes!111'
mircea_popescu: and in likbez-mp : can anyone explain "weak symbols" as a concept
to me without making it sound like a hack ?
mircea_popescu: coincidentally : is anyone from
the adacore/gnat/gnarl/whatever days still breathing even ? or 100% bolix situation, "documents at warehouse, i am machinist in charge" ?
mircea_popescu: "curio cabinet" approx. but kunst is art, reminded me of
teh whole
thing, because guess what ? we all grew up with
this idea foss/gcc/glibc/whatever "magic inside!!!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one of
the larger, more impressive books in my parents' library was "welt der kunst". i couldn't read german, but mom explained it's "the world of art" so it populated my childish immagination for a full decade, until old enough
to read it. by
that
time it disappointed -- not
that anything could have lived
to heights a kid might build in mind over years.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i also find caps always
truthier if you have log in
there somewhere!
mircea_popescu: which doesn't seem right
to me, either, but it might be built by induction from actual datasets, nfi.
mircea_popescu: nt
that does
the exact same
thing, but will resolve
to
the same library as implements __register_frame_info_bases. */
mircea_popescu: "/* ??? Glibc has for a while now exported __register_frame_info and __deregister_frame_info. If we call __register_frame_info_bases from crtbegin (wherein it is declared weak), and
this object does not get pulled from libgcc.a for other reasons,
then
the invocation of __deregister_frame_info will be resolved from glibc. Since
the registration did not happen
there, we'll die.
Therefore, declare a new deregistration entry poi
mircea_popescu: bvt dump
the dir for
trinque anyway, maybe it helps him. nobody suffered from
too much data yet.
bvt: static version should be fine.
then would also
try it on cuntoo (have it running,
the genesis signature still does not match).
diana_coman: I also
tend
to remember asciilifeform had at some point a signed build; anyway, if it's still needed I can pack ave1's gnat, yes; possibly he'd need both
the "static-only" (i.e. latest version) and some previous version
mircea_popescu: it's such a fucking pleasure
to get up in
the morning and get
to
the logs...
mircea_popescu: no need
to sign it, just encrypt it
to him, so he's not stuck going
to spamforge.barf/virusplox.htm.php
mircea_popescu: it's fucking beautiful. ^ is why german kicks so much ass,
there's just no fucking shortage of poetry in it.
mircea_popescu: around gcc5
times (early 2016) binutils were verschlimmbessert with support of new relocations <<< aaahahahahaha.
bvt: maybe
there are
two similar issues
that are both 'cured' by switching
to dynamic linking, but currently i don't
think so. i'm using zcx runtime for
these
tests.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-16 00:32 mircea_popescu: "The issue is
that
the code generated for __builtin_longjmp reads a value for x29 (the frame pointer) from
the jmp_buf, but
the code generated for __builtin_setjmp doesn't actually write x29
to
the jmp_buf, leading
to corruption of x29 when a longjmp occurs.
mircea_popescu: there are in fact
two different issues
there, aren't
there.
bvt: it goes from crashing once in 3-5 runs
to crashing once in approx 1000; however i've also seen deadlocks, which may be worse stuff
to deal with
than an honest crash.
mircea_popescu: ie, if it makes it 100% less probable, "disappear entirely",
then it's maybe
the same
thing ? and if not... could actually be
two separate issues ?
mircea_popescu: bvt "Before going into
the detail" <<
that "detail" never
takes an article, either definite or indefinite, for some reason
to do with english being weird.
diana_coman: hmm, now one wonders if
the patch made it into gcc 4.9 or not
bvt: i don't
think it gcc5-specific,
the patch against
this problem
that i've seen was written for gcc 4.8
diana_coman: bvt, interesting; is
that gcc5-specific
though?
a111: Logged on 2014-02-19 15:51 asciilifeform: brother and i played
this on our 'Iskra' (xt clone) and combed
three different dictionaries
to learn what
the fuck an osha is
mircea_popescu: imo franco very much like maduro. i dunno if you've looked at dood much, he's 100% ranchero guy, would be way
the fuck happier raising cattle, maybe at
the most driving a
truck. but he's stuck with
these idiots.
a111: Logged on 2014-01-16 04:40 asciilifeform: "Sewers caused all our
troubles.
The masses of
this country are not like your Americans, nor even like
the British.
They are slave stock.
They are good for nothing but slaves and only when
they are used as slaves are
they happy. But we,
the decent people, made
the mistake of giving
them modern housing in
the cities where we have our factories. We put sewers in
these cities, sewers which extend right down
to
the
mircea_popescu: maybe just link it ; but even so i'm nopt sure what "uch offers and promises none of
these cities would abide
the
tin woman passing his dick pic around
to all her friends
that aren't him" means.
BingoBoingo: I'll keep
the
tin women hasn't been meme'd hard enough in mind in
the future
mircea_popescu: btw : Franco is presently interned << interned means someone's in jail. interred means someone's in
the earth.
bvt: however i don't understand if
this is possible only
to achieve only for gnat components, and when i do it globally, i get 'undefined symbol' when linking with libgcc
bvt: i still have no solution for
this, afaik musl authors solved
the problem for fortran and c++, but gnat seems
to lack equivalent knob
bvt: (still
tested only with gnat2017, but
this is a different story; i see no reason
to believe
that ave1gnat does not have
the same issue)
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 23:36 mircea_popescu: but seems he ALSO found a race condition in
the handlers ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform,
thank you! and yes, I know it's not enough
to know what it does exactly but it's still useful.