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asciilifeform: re earlier item -- if i want to demonstrate that 'alf's exceptional exsudator' consists of diana_coman's magic prime number maker, all 100,000 ln of it verbatim, plus 5 ln of asciilifeform's , this is now a proposition that has to be proven manually. whereas theoretically it is a mechanically resolvable q.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 20:58 mircea_popescu: consider concretely the case of eucrypt's keccak. diana_coman is writing it as a direct derivation off genesis, meaning on extant v impls if one wanted to import it they could import JUST it, without the rest of eucrypt (it'll be pulled in later through the usual procedure in eucrypt itself). superficially this may seem like it encourages phf to go "o i know, i'll just link keccak patch into my codebase rather than regring (i

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772483 << it's still annoying that , if i import it, and then years later query 'origin' of something, it only can trace back to my own genesis. and not to birth. ☝︎

diana_coman: I always read asciilifeform's "meat" along the lines of "call of the annoying reality of existence in human form"

a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 20:53 mircea_popescu: nothing prevents you from saying "this is the genesis of apeloyee's fantastical funicular, it consists of a cog i stole from alf's exceptional exsudator, some other bits i wrote myself and various parts i forgot where i stole" ; but something QUITE fundamental prevents you from writing down "include #fucksticks" and to have a helpful paperclip pop out of nowhere in your emacs guts and declare "this so far looks like you're pu

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772477 << in ideal vtron, the 'and i stole x from a, y from b...' is protocolic, rather than promisetronic. i.e. abolition of eyeball-powered diff. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 20:31 phf: i half expect it to be some kind of kafka narrative, where, when not engaged with tmsr business, alf actually does some macabre butcher work involving big meaty hands and slabs

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772449 << normally 'meatspace' but i like phf's picture. ☝︎

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772485 <- after things are put together by human hand it takes human hand to take them apart, yes, unsurprising; point is it's enough to choose and pick out of the desired vpatch what is relevant (i.e. for keccak in this example) and that's as far as it goes ☝︎

mircea_popescu: consider concretely the case of eucrypt's keccak. diana_coman is writing it as a direct derivation off genesis, meaning on extant v impls if one wanted to import it they could import JUST it, without the rest of eucrypt (it'll be pulled in later through the usual procedure in eucrypt itself). superficially this may seem like it encourages phf to go "o i know, i'll just link keccak patch into my codebase rather than regring (i ☟︎

mircea_popescu: nothing prevents you from saying "this is the genesis of apeloyee's fantastical funicular, it consists of a cog i stole from alf's exceptional exsudator, some other bits i wrote myself and various parts i forgot where i stole" ; but something QUITE fundamental prevents you from writing down "include #fucksticks" and to have a helpful paperclip pop out of nowhere in your emacs guts and declare "this so far looks like you're pu ☟︎

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> if anyone is wondering, alf lives in a sausage plant. there's lots of meat. << been wondering if I should move in with him, or take bets on when he gets scurvy

shinohai: Heh, in my my mind I always imagined asciilifeform living in abattoir because of the "brb, meats"

phf: i half expect it to be some kind of kafka narrative, where, when not engaged with tmsr business, alf actually does some macabre butcher work involving big meaty hands and slabs ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i can't think of major examples outside of the star wars thing (coulkdn't think of that either until pointed out). commedia is mostly brothers.

asciilifeform: i thought it was typically fathers

phf: ascii vs brother doesn't strike me as that kind of relationship. more like "you have to learn much little one, and i have N years on you"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite evident ; but yes, i believe wrong problem to solve. "oh lord, how could bits of code have an identity ?" "why ?" "so they could be my girflriends" "Come on!" ☟︎

phf: never mind then! i gotta figure out how to do the whole "file moved part" anyway, and i don't need a hashing function yet. i'm using a sha512 implementation from busybox

mircea_popescu: a damn, seems i shot too quickly. sorry phf

phf: aye, i'll marry keccak to vdiff today or tomorrow to get a poc out.

asciilifeform: i got a megatonne of those . ( e.g. unrolled comba )

asciilifeform: ( i considered lispism, rejected for the given application strictly on account of moving-parts-count , 'p' gotta have parachute-level simplicity )

asciilifeform: right. but... i'ma let mircea_popescu eat rest of the thread

a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 18:07 asciilifeform: however this introduces explicit pointerism. ( though, i will add, NOT pointer-arithmetism )

shinohai: trinque: I had the same issue with Mexicans. A little death metal solved it.

BingoBoingo: I don't recall if I did, will check and publish if not

diana_coman: taking of baking, these eucrypt blog posts feel like cozonaci : always sort of growing more than I expect them, no matter what adjustment to expectations previous batch caused

mircea_popescu: i see it takes teh forum 5 minutes to figure out the easter egg in there...

shinohai: I wonder how long it would stay up if I posted it to r/TwoXChromosomes

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know what, i think that may be it.

shinohai: "A promise from the SCAM coin team: We won't sleep until SCAM coin has been successfully listed on at least one shitty exchange." <<< Truth in advertising now I guess.

mircea_popescu: saying "well i can't protect car from usage of idiots" is one thing, but having the gas and break pedals not ever interchange is the other thing.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771717 << this is a great win, i'm glad he stuck with it. ☝︎

asciilifeform: previously i had it filed under perlisms.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771642 << i don't see a problem with it necessarily, but it's not clear what may hide under rock #2. try and see i guess ? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771636 << i have nfi what a binace is and i see no problem with random numbers fiatists assign to bitcoin fluctuating ~randomly. ☝︎

asciilifeform: i read the linked manual in '08 and will admit that i did not find it very interesting. it is the same kind of dead end as dylan.

asciilifeform: ( why he did this ? i do not know )

asciilifeform: unfortunately i do not have any way to make asic. as for fpga, none exist of the necessary size. ( see e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764242 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: but if i were designing asic -- yes, would use.

asciilifeform: ultimately i ended up using nothing at all from it.

a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 22:10 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, 'finite precision number systems and arithmetic' (kornerup & matula, cambridge press) is mega-b00k, the only one i've found on subj that is NOT a mere plagiarism of knuth, has useful algos for e.g. carry-free ops, hardwarizations

asciilifeform: i have a similar item , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1657241 , it proved to be of very, very limited help for ffa , the constraint of the pc arch limits the use of fancy adders etc ☝︎

amberglint: asciilifeform: I have a pdf somewhere, a quick look didn't notice anything Ivory-specific

asciilifeform: i do not like vhdl; and do not see the point of 'systemverilog' (vs classical); but these are my personal prefs

asciilifeform: i have an old 'for india' eng edition here.

amberglint: asciilifeform: have you read "Digital Design and Computer Architecture" by D. and S. Harris? I'm using it (in ru print translation) as my hardware handbook and I'm curious if you have any opinion on it

asciilifeform: and i know of at least 1 still-lurking d00d, who was. and who knows who else.

asciilifeform: (possibly he had other temp name, i cannot now recall.)

amberglint: yeah, I caught almost everyone ru-speaking in the logs though I didn't know about apeloyee

asciilifeform: amberglint: i assume you already know about the log ( btcbase.org/log & elsewhere ) then.

amberglint: I was reading the logs for a while, thought about joining you earlier but felt a bit intimidated to be honest

amberglint: I'm a software engineer, live in Russia

amberglint: asciilifeform: I can't remember how I found your www, I'm reading it since 2012 or so; I found trilema.com from one of your articles

fromloper: I'm going to join as amberglint now

mod6: ooooh, i was doing "from: mod6" and getting very strange results.

mod6: how do i search the logs for all the lines that I have said?

diana_coman: k, I'll try that as soon as mod6 finds the patch

asciilifeform: ( i have not tried yet )

diana_coman: ah, I missed that then, I thought yours was grabbing leaf by leaf too

diana_coman: uh oh, it seems asciilifeform's v misbehaves too: when pressing a leaf that has genesis as antecedent it presses ALSO all other descendants of genesis from what I can tell

asciilifeform: i was watching like usual with no audio. if anyone thinks i misses something thereby -- plox to write in.

fromloper: asciilifeform: alright, I'll do it

asciilifeform: fromloper: i'll rate you

mod6: diana_coman: you mean the patch for 99993? yeah, i pasted it in here.... lemme look for it quick.

asciilifeform: 'Cyber space is an increasingly risky discourse and therefore will inevitably be securitised.' << exactly what i said: usg stuffed shirt. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-13 21:52 mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, I have created a blog post outlining the behavior changes in 99993. Please take a look and consider these changes. Let me know if you have any comments or questions! Thanks in advance. http://www.mod6.net/2018/99993/99993-changes.html

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770368 <- mod6 did you publish this anywhere? it seems I might even have another test-case for it.. (version 99994 dies on it complaining that .vpatch is invalid) ☝︎

asciilifeform: but i'll admit that i know very, very little about mallery ( almost nothing is publicly known about him, he is an academic but not many publications in his name )

asciilifeform: the racket is not , as far as i can tell, intended to outlive the current participants.

asciilifeform: fromloper: i suspect not. because the 'support' is really ceremonial

asciilifeform: i suspect that there is no plan, the nsa cheques pay for his yachts and that's it.

asciilifeform: i asked this q here years ago, and to this day have no answer of any kind.

fromloper: I'm curious what John C. Mallery intends to do with his property, other than collect support cheques

asciilifeform: some people spent $10k's on their collections of bolixiana. and imagine that these will become worthless if an accurate fpgalogical emulator appears. and for all i know , this is true. i simply don't care.

asciilifeform: i -- want. and this is why by and large they do not talk to me. they know about my www, they knew where to find me. they also know that i will publicly and immediately leak any bolixologial document that i am given. and want to make emulator. and for this, i suspect, they do not talk to me.

fromloper: I've read the whisperers discussion here, seems to be plausible

asciilifeform: fromloper: currently i suspect that many, possibly majority, of serious bolix collectors, ~do not want~ there to be an accurate emulator.

asciilifeform: ( for all i know, bolix relied on some undocumented behaviour of it. )

asciilifeform: re fp, i'll observe that bolix used a weitek fp unit

asciilifeform: i do not know why not.

asciilifeform: ( last i knew, phf did not publish his changes )

asciilifeform: fromloper: i actually do not know anything re who, if anyone, maintains. aside from phf's admission to having a private fork, linked above.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 14:43 phf: i spent (mostly another whisperer and myself did) on getting vlm stable, and i'm unconvinced that some of the issues we encountered were purely "buggy vlm". there is, for example, a crash in floating point instruction that happens when you load document examiner on stock piratebay opengenera. i have no explanation for it still, because vlm code ~seems to do the right thing~. there are other similar instances

fromloper: http://archive.is/zw03T << Rainer Joswig speaks of some secret team maintaining the emulator, I wonder if he means http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701489 ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( for n00bz to the subj -- fep was an entire comp, mc68k, embedded inside bolix lispm, handled i/o and certain aspects of eggogology )

fromloper: I wonder if it's going to ask for a license key like Macsyma on the same disk does

asciilifeform: but i never tried it under alpha, gotta try.

asciilifeform: i suspect that the copy on the Official genera disk, never worked.

fromloper: I also wanted to ask, did you figure out how to launch NS in VLM? I'm getting some Xlib error when I try to

asciilifeform: for all i know, the one and only path to e.g. a room-temperature supercon, was found at one of the reagan scamola firms, and died with it, also. i simply do not know about it.

asciilifeform: ( where i know for a fact that they Had Something )

asciilifeform: there is an entire graveyard of these; it simply so happens that i am only interested in the lispm-flavoured ones

asciilifeform: that was last i knew aha

asciilifeform: and i haven't seen him anywhere since, either

asciilifeform: i recall this

fromloper: that's the last of him I found

asciilifeform: funnily enuff a Dave Moon ran for election to some city dogcatcher post , not far from where i live. but on examination seems to be different d00d.

fromloper: this document refers to Dave Moon's files several times; I've tried to find any public presence of Moon on the net, maybe a mail address - found nothing