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diana_coman considers eating
treebark: ate it before, certainly better
than eating glibc-barf
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 23:41 asciilifeform:
there's a lulzy 'pentagon standard' one,
the name presently escapes me, iirc it is in
the log
tho
diana_coman: I guess
the main
thing against it would be
that part where can't kill
diana_coman: I don't know about option c i.e. whether
there is something lost by going with it
diana_coman has no curiosity on
the
topic: all pain at its
time, not earlier
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no, but obv I will have
to not
try but do it
diana_coman: asciilifeform, honestly, all I wanted was
this game! lol
diana_coman: to my mind option b has
the benefit
that it concentrates
the effort in
the right direction at least
☟︎ diana_coman remembers
that eulora client is 99% NON-tmsr
diana_coman: that's precisely why it was
tolerated until now afaik: because all sorts not yet fully ported
to anything
tmsr
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform getting an aarch64 musl sjlj going will be a fun
task.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman looks like it's going
the way of cuntoo-ada-musl, no glibc.
diana_coman: re glibc: until now I saw it as
tolerated until full
tmsr version (whatever
that might be, i.e. owned glibc version or musl or whatever)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still gotta build
the ada environment ~with something~.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i very much don't expect you want
the prb 12
that is emacs. rewrite yes ? :D
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it's not you who has
to see, maybe someone sees, what. im certainly not sending you
to e.2
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform current one prolly v49, note how gcc went from 5
to 8 in 2 years.
mircea_popescu: e. something else (among which possible e.1. someone reads and implements dwarf properly ; e.2. someone picks a glibc
to grandfather and dedicates himself
to cleaning and fixing.)
mircea_popescu: d. ada-zcx-musl-static is
the standard for non-threaded programs, we don't standardize
threading.
mircea_popescu: c. ada-?-musl-static is
the standard, either zcx or sjlj is acceptable (mostly based on what
threading philosophy one embraces), with an obvious preference for zcx if one doesn't
thread.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: b. ada-sjlj-musl-static is
the standard, and we simply don't sign or use anything
that doesn't live up
to
this.
mircea_popescu: a. we make no standard, every man for his own, but : a.1. ada is
the preferred language ; a.2. musl is
the preferred standards provider ; a.3. zcx is
the preferred exception mechanism ; a.4. static is
the preferred build mode.
this should come with a design process for candidates evaluation for standardization.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 23:41 asciilifeform:
there's a lulzy 'pentagon standard' one,
the name presently escapes me, iirc it is in
the log
tho
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:21 asciilifeform: unix
tries
to 'be all possible kitchen' and appears
to 'succeed', via fraudulently slipping in 9000 unprincipled-exceptions (hardcoded limits, not only in gcc, but even 'ls' , see old
thrd, and moar or less errywhere ) , and 'optimizations'
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 14:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one of
the larger, more impressive books in my parents' library was "welt der kunst". i couldn't read german, but mom explained it's "the world of art" so it populated my childish immagination for a full decade, until old enough
to read it. by
that
time it disappointed -- not
that anything could have lived
to heights a kid might build in mind over years.
mircea_popescu: i actually
thought
this. i was still
thinking
this, feb 11th.
mircea_popescu: and i
thought, naivity of naivities and unexamined infantilism of unexamined infantilisms,
that sjlj is a quaint artefact of slow yore, meanwhile supplanted by more modern, better alternatives.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 13:12 bvt: during
the gnat build,
the sjlj runtime is built, so it should be possible
to switch
to it and
test.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, we never actually said "do not use
this".
mircea_popescu: yes, no glibc was in fact a preference, and we got it out, of
trb, of eulora, etc. no argument
there.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-06 18:19 mircea_popescu: what's now needed is an expert computer engineer willing and able
to
take over maintenance of libnss, starting with fixing it so it allows proper static linking.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-29 16:28 mod6: so libnss is dynamically compiled and built/linked
to glibc, and can not be avoided?
mircea_popescu: some
time
to look at
things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want
to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked
trinque
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: so is basically
the idea what we want is
to get sjlj
to work on musl for ada proggies ? or what ?
mircea_popescu: in any case,
this is a major decision / inflexion point, and we
truly need all hands on deck for
this, i'm not equipped with
the right chicken darts
to
throw at guts / read feathers
thereof.
mircea_popescu: so leaving hardware alone, "zombie
thread because northbridge went south" etc -- we still need a linking scheme
that works.
mircea_popescu: s.mg is perfectly willing
to eventually erect
torture chamber where shamed boxes ritualistically destroyed for
their sins.
mircea_popescu: i find it works fine with people ; and it'll work doubleplusfine with hardware. let it adapt
to my needs or die.
mircea_popescu: something like "keep
two of everything and
throw out anything
that behaves in any way contrary
to your illusion no matter what happens".
mircea_popescu: i intend
to approach hardware breakage at hardware level.