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punkman: mircea_popescu: o look at
that, actually an english word. cool. << which?
mircea_popescu: (amusingly enough,
that says "inkwell" in romanian, phonetically)
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mircea_popescu: i guess "purely political" is not even
the best way
to state it. purely idiosyncratic.
decimation: yeah
that seems like a reasonable objection
mircea_popescu: and i don't expect a dude
to have something meaningful
to say because he got a nobel prize, but IN SPITE of getting it.
mircea_popescu: you know, like i don't expect a film
to be good because it got 7 oscars. i expect it
to suck.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about you, or anyone else. but
to me, winning a competition is a discomendation.
mircea_popescu: blowfish has successfully resisted analysis and was
thoroughly abandoned. because aes "won a competition" ?
☟︎ decimation: mircea_popescu: I buy your political reasons, but aes was
the 'winner' of a fairly large and open 'competition' and was
then recommended by usg. How is
that 'coming out of nowhere'?
mircea_popescu: worst
thing about
the early 2000s was how ms seemed it was going
to live forever
through directx
☟︎ mircea_popescu: granted
this isn't much seeing just how retarded
that field is, but anway
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk i've not put much design effort into
that yet at any rate.
gabriel_laddel: I could go
to africa (or stanford) if I wanted
to be "considered intelligent"
gabriel_laddel: Even if what I'm suggesting for interns is state of
the art for some people.
phillipsjk: Anyway, I screwed up with my AES comment: naivly encrypting game commands with a fixed key will give you
the same cipher
text given
the same input. Chipher modes are not my field of expertise
though.
gabriel_laddel: I want
to move *up*
the ladder of abstraction. Purely mechanical lisping doesn't interest me.
mircea_popescu: that process works better
the other way. ("i need
to intern for
this guy" vs "i need people
to intern for me")
mircea_popescu: if you can actually write programs
to fix programs - why haven't you yet and why are we still running broken code everywhere.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i
think
the principle of machine-fixed code is broken, but hey. maybe you're in a narrow enough case you can pull it off.
mircea_popescu: in any case : i don't like aes for purely political reasons. it became an apparent schelling point out of absolutely nowhere for no discernible reason.
these situations always stink.
☟︎☟︎ gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu:
the problem with
templates is
that generating syntatically correct code is fucking impossible.
phillipsjk: Can I auth with
the bot without voicing?
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 22:43:42; gabriel_laddel: For example, say
that you find
the existence of both elt & nth
to be stupid. write a (meta)program
that walks an arbitrary CL program and fixes all elt's
to nths. Let everyone know
that it's deprecated, and
that
they can run
this program on
their code
to update it
to CL 1.2 or whatever.
phillipsjk: I am not sure I can auth with assbot.
to verify I need
to decrypt a OTP, but I need a rating of 2 for
the !up command
to challenge me with one.
hanbot: mircea_popescu i
think
the point is able!=expected
phillipsjk: I really should auth with
the bot with pgp
though.
mircea_popescu: "At
the
time of posting
this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went
to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some
twerp going on about how ltc has more volume
than btc or some shit ?
☟︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 12:45:57; funkenstein_: "Benner has lofty goals for his synthetic molecules. He wants
to create an alternative genetic system in which proteins [] are unnecessary" <-- ??
mircea_popescu: "waiter, i ordered soffran rice and what
the fuck is
this yellow poison looking shit!"
hanbot: good sort of yellow
tho'. of course, how would you know if you hadn't had good eggs /turmeric/etc
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 06:06:44; Naphex: 04:14 <+hanbot> people are going
to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as
they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks,
thought
they were "suspicious <- Happens pretty often
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seems
to be
traction from
the
transaction fees article
gernika: Close
to
there. I'm more on
the peninsula.
gernika: I attended a lisp meetup in SV
today at which someone presented
their altcoin which happened
to be written in CL.
This altcoin exists apparently because bitcoin
too "too slow."
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: phf: Nothing interesting.
Twas already covered in
the logs...
phf: gabriel_laddel: i'm not sure what you're
trying
to say
phf: were you guys
trying
to put symbol documentation into slime-autodoc results?
that seems pretty easy, just patch whatever swank:autodoc returns.
though seems like it would be distracting since multiline docs will keep resizing modeline every
time your point is at a new function
gabriel_laddel: !s dawg just make
the cardano already so we can sell em
trinque: this I
think hits
the problem of "the sale wants
their particular problem solved head on" vs "to be a successful software business I must generalize" squarely
trinque: and
then when you've got fat stacks from all
the killing you've been doing, hell, build some hardware why don't you?
trinque: and you could stack corpses
to
the sky replacing products which were specific incarnations of such a database, rather
than attacking
the general problem described above.
trinque: and a
tool which allows me
to rapidly do
that will drastically increase
the rate of said selling
trinque: model a business, describe business rules which constrain
the changes possible
to
the model, present
the state of
the model in various useful ways, attach behavior
to changes permitted by
the model
trinque: I'm not personally out
to revolutionize computing by focusing all my
time on
that as such
trinque: so
to
the extent
that you put a better
tool in my hands
to do
that, I'll only be appreciative.
gabriel_laddel: I mean
that someone should have paid for you
to write CL, preferable packaging it up as an unchanging distro supporting only a subset of hardware.
trinque: if you mean somebody should've kicked my ass
ten years ago for not writing CL, I agree.
gabriel_laddel: seriously, redirecting a
trinque at CL would make
the development 100x better.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform:
this is what I mean by "we need people
to carry
the water"
trinque: for example an inner join between
the schema-describing-tables and
the rows describing
the grammar was how I wrote a generic
to-string for any language in
the ebnf
tables
trinque: I would have
to describe better how I've leaned on
there being a declared schema which is also data
gabriel_laddel: yeah, I wish you
the best of luck on
that quest. It is straightforwards, but ugh.
trinque: yeah, I want
to go insane in an arbitrary direction changing some data structure,
then decide nope arbitrarily later
trinque: and
that was super powerful as well, and I don't know how
to get
that on
the CL side
trinque: and could revise it from
there
trinque: incidentally we had
the ebnf one bootstrapped such
that it contained
the description of its own structure
trinque: it's just everything is data, including
that which is used
to model and manipulate
the data
trinque: model ebnf as
tables -> describe some particular grammar in
those
tables -> derive schema for statements in
that grammar -> derive parser for farting ASTs into
tables -> so on so on
trinque: because we... lol... forced SQL
to behave like one
trinque: that was where I accidentally bumped into
the power of a homoiconic language
trinque: our merry band of madmen got
things such as
these done once upon a
time by representing
the ASTs of SQL queries as
table structures in postresql
trinque: gabriel_laddel:
that example of
taking action *once* and being able
to
turn
that sort of "recorded" action into an abstraction, exactly fucking right
trinque: and
tbh I write python in a functional style over mostly primitive
types
trinque: eventually acquiring
the mental picture of python's insane world
trinque: gabriel_laddel | how
the fuck did you ever get good at python << by forcing myself
to work
through it
gabriel_laddel: related: I want
to be able
to inspect an object, mark it,
then jump around
through a bunch of other objects and hit a key
to get a sexpr representing
the accessor corresponding
to my
traversal.
trinque: and only grow proficient in a domain when I have a sort of physical model of
the space
trinque: I am a very visual/spatial
thinker
trinque: what does
the whole goddamn world look like from
this point
gabriel_laddel: Generic functions for
this class, sorted by if
they're implemented yet,
things
that have been passed
this
type in
the past...
trinque: the docs for it, and a way
to
traverse
to related
things I might want
to use instead
trinque: gimme
the same
thing for *THIS* I've chosen