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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "- He says current block ciphers suck. Why? It doesn't really become clear from the discussion, which seems to be between two people who have heard a little bit about cryptography, and are trying to outdo each other in what little knowledge they have." ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 13:58:34; pete_d_out: speaking of power consumption and moore's law, i hadn't realised that intel had claimed that the ~pentium 4~ would reach 10 ghz, nor that they actually manufactured the p4 at 3.8 ghz... in 2008. the only reason higher power outputs weren't produced en masse was that, apparently, the chips were already consuming 130w at 3.8 ghz and power consumption scaled linearly from there.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397760 << wasn't it just last year the vc circus was special pleading up and down the ying-yang that there's a horrible unmeetable demand ? ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: ah the funniest thing : they wouldn't play poker. they wanted to play IPAD APP POKER!
danielpbarron: turn based, so latency isn't an issue ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in vaguely related lulz : romanian women are sane ; as a result they're all over europe fucking the shit out of everything that moves ; as a result butthurt euroheads don't want to extend schengen zone to romania unless it "controils the problem" ;
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397725 << i don't get it, what is wrong with this ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: kinda like the soviet equivalent, "oh, so you got kicked out of your party commission thing ? no, you can't have a job. because fuck you, that's why"
asciilifeform: (it doesn't go straight on the cpu, no, will crack the mb and drown in condensation. it goes in the tank through which you pump the oil.)
mircea_popescu: it won't work, for many reasons, but they are desperate so reaching out for stevejobian straws.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you think this because you don't know gaming.
BingoBoingo: pete_d_out: 5gHz overclocks aren't that new
pete_d_out: speaking of power consumption and moore's law, i hadn't realised that intel had claimed that the ~pentium 4~ would reach 10 ghz, nor that they actually manufactured the p4 at 3.8 ghz... in 2008. the only reason higher power outputs weren't produced en masse was that, apparently, the chips were already consuming 130w at 3.8 ghz and power consumption scaled linearly from there. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: From people who don't grok the whole network latency deal.
pete_d_out: in other, "no you can't have nice things if you're a plebe" news : http://www.eweek.com/pc-hardware/amd-unveils-virtualized-gpus-new-quiet-chips.html
pete_d_out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396683 << o.O i can't be the only one who'd like to hear the rest of this story. ☝︎
pete_d_out: ya, 25:1 isn't far off.
pete_d_out: BingoBoingo that's not ridiculous like gavin averaging 100 btc per annum salary for the rest of his days, just as he did when vessenes scam was peaking, isn't ridiculous
pete_d_out: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397676 <-- found more from this same lulzathon here, for those interested in how the legal system in petelandia works (or doesn't) --> http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?t=10814 ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Now U of Illinois's Plato could run if it didn't die in 2006. Born in 1960 so 11 years older than Rubio.
BingoBoingo: punkman: Watson's not old enough. IBM's Deep Blue and Deep Though aren't quite old enough yet.
mircea_popescu: bonus points for the item two paragraphs supra, where the judge nigh-on admits that he tried to track down the guy and have a little behind the scenes compact with him. sadly he wasn't also a laywer. this of course is deeply different from "criminal scheme to bla bla".
mircea_popescu: doh. he doesn't think you're special. because you're all equals and whatnot. what's so hard to grasp ?
BingoBoingo: No it's Mircea doesn't have time to write that much for Qntra.
BingoBoingo: In other news that time you personally get called a lunatic by Luke-Jr and not just a lunatic, but the only lunatic whose opinon doesn't matter. https://archive.is/ChHAo
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 00:34:19; punkman: ascii_butugychag: i'll pass. << weren't you after blobless workstation with recent cpu?
mircea_popescu: "Anyhow, it would be a bunch of work for 10 BTC. Hardly worth anyone's time, given this bozo is gonna take all the credit, you probably don't even get fame nor fortune..." << jesus almighty. this is why it's fucking public, and lordship and all that, right ?
BingoBoingo: But I'm glad MP no longer can disbelieve the one on the right being 21 because "No way she's 21, that isn't enough time to eat so much"
punkman: ascii_butugychag: i'll pass. << weren't you after blobless workstation with recent cpu? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: hmm, apparently log doesn't see &ordm;
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 22:32:43; BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: You don't know how astroturf works. It doesn't work if you attack actual mysteries. You gotta attack fake ones like blockcipher as PoW
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, i don't recall usg paying out any prize at all for aes nomination
mircea_popescu: i'll be honest with you : i actually prefer encountering scar tissue to actual people. i have many more toys for the former, that i wouldn't normally apply on humans.
mircea_popescu: if they weren't they'd have made 4kb.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag never used socat ; don't care.
mircea_popescu: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8713235&cid=51449791 <<< dude, check out all the people who don't care!
ascii_butugychag: (ibm certainly doesn't)
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: You don't know how astroturf works. It doesn't work if you attack actual mysteries. You gotta attack fake ones like blockcipher as PoW ☟︎
danielpbarron: comments are a riot; these guys just can't stand that someone out there knows what he wants and isn't afraid to put it out there
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even make sense. wut ? amulet ?
ascii_butugychag: it means that decryption of arbitary input doesn't leak key bits
mod6: wouldn't wanna make me stab myself in the face any less.
mod6: that shit isn't right, especially before you've had your coffee
mircea_popescu: nd of analysis is the only acceptable methodology e.g. for cryptography, and that its results should be blindly adhered to as truth about the world especially when they contradict plain common sense, as K&M claim they do (not saying whether the latter is true or not, just that it doesn't address this)."
mircea_popescu: it's i suspect the principal pipe through which the sheep that aren't exactly stupid transfer material from future back into the past.
mircea_popescu: he can't be an "actually" thing because "actually" thing is given by participation in the official scheme to certify the reality of the delusions of the people that would want!
mircea_popescu: besides, it'll teach you how to correctly obsolete keys so you don't need them to expire anymore.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a woman anywhere they waited to take turns on, they never waited on each other to return books to library, nothing, vacuum ?
mircea_popescu: i can't read this inept shit. who writes liek this ?!
mircea_popescu: in general, there isn't one. in the rare cases when human genius couples with dilligence and creates a SINGLE playing field, the pissants are unaware - generally deliberately.
mircea_popescu: yes not fucking ugly women won't conjure pretty ones up. so ?
ascii_butugychag: and they aren't wrong about this.
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: so netsec d00d here (who isn't a real cryptographer by any means) linked this >> https://gist.github.com/tqbf/be58d2d39690c3b366ad in relation to "not using RSA" for reasons XYZ
mircea_popescu: As promised, I have written a letter of complaint to the editors of the Notices. I don't know if it will get published (it is also a bit long), but it is available here (pdf) or here (ps) "
mircea_popescu: "What really bugs me, however, is how much publicity Koblitz has managed to get out of this. I see him invited to give talks at many venues, but never see anyone invited to present a counter-argument. (For that matter, I don't see invited speakers at cryptography conferences poking fun at the cryptographic work that mathematicians do.) This does not matter so much when Koblitz speaks at a TCS-venue (any intelligent cry
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> hell, more often by own side. <<< own side can't usually be bothered. goatherder females much juicier.
mircea_popescu: actually this isn't even a terrible idea.
ascii_butugychag: mats: she doesn't have to. ~you~ will carry her pack.
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 14:03:13; mircea_popescu: who exactly wants this ? other than fucking nsa, of course, as per usual. ("but mr goldstein, you SIGNED that child porn. whadda ya mean it's an automatic process you don't control.")
mats: I don't understand this push to get women into combat units
mircea_popescu: and to turdcherry the shitcake, all these nobodies on a stick run around spewing wholly delusional notions of expertise and amateurship. just don't ask them to put it to any sort of actual test.
mircea_popescu: who exactly wants this ? other than fucking nsa, of course, as per usual. ("but mr goldstein, you SIGNED that child porn. whadda ya mean it's an automatic process you don't control.") ☟︎
asciilifeform: pitch that Crypto AG was a neutral company and its equipment was the best. They were Swiss, after all. [3] Crypto AG eventually paid one million dollars for Buehler's release in January 1993, then promptly fired him once they had reassured themselves that he hadn't revealed anything important under interrogation, and because Buehler had begun to ask some embarrassing questions.'
asciilifeform: 'Iran demonstrated its suspicion about the source of the leaks, when it arrested Hans Buehler, a top salesman for Crypto AG, in Teheran on March 18, 1992. During his nine and a half months of solitary confinement in Evin prison in Teheran, Buehler was questioned again and again whether he had leaked Teheran's codes or Libya's keys to Western powers. Luckily Buehler didn't know anything. He in fact believed in his own sales
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1396934 << in what sense is "veneta" a place, and for that matter what is "place" mean today ? i don't live in fucking "argentina", the byproduct of the inept hallucination of a bunch of retarded soy farmers. ☝︎
asciilifeform: we have proof that $problem falls into, e.g., np-complete complexity class. but what we ~don't~ have is,
asciilifeform: the real gotcha turns out to be... we don't really have hard difficulty proofs.
assbot: Me 22 M with my 23 F 6 month girlfriend, I love her and can't stand the sight of her. : relationships ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3Zu0X )
adlai: this block cipher challenge is too soon, i haven't even finished my BBCC yet
mircea_popescu: pity we don't have any nubile young ladies to offer in marriage as well.
danielpbarron: i don't know if i still have but i'll take a look
Nicknaem: i'll be back, this isn't my final form. keep up the good work.
phf: mircea_popescu: ok, i don't get it, about the card printed
mircea_popescu: the unreliability of record being the chief reason we don;t know history today
ascii_butugychag: pet sayeth, i simply haven't merited my bullet yet
ascii_butugychag: the successes - we don't see.
mircea_popescu: the enemy can't bake as much as a brick.
mircea_popescu: there's a sad dearth of research in this field. we don't even klnow which of pi*e and pi+e are transcendental. etc.
mircea_popescu: give people a perfectly valid reason to only take crypto : "i don't want to be spammed"
mircea_popescu: the properties which º' must exhibit may make the entire scheme unfeasible, but i can't seem to prove º' may not exist.
mircea_popescu: from https://cr.yp.to/bib/online.html : "instead of signing a copyright transfer agreement. If you ever encounter a publisher that doesn't accept this, let me know, and I'll be happy to blacklist that publisher here. I'm now blacklisting IEEE and ACM."
ascii_butugychag: american politics doesn't operate on ideologies
PeterL: my wife is pretty sure Sanders is going to save us , I don't get it
PeterL: you don't think sanders has a chance to beat her?
ascii_butugychag: if i can't decide friend or foe after first 512byte, then no go
mircea_popescu: you don't have to put the crypto layer UNDER the upd chunkage.
ascii_butugychag: enemy has point-to-point links. we - don't.
mircea_popescu: what else isn't proven, that teleco standards ALSO preclude good cryptography ?
mircea_popescu: why wouldn't you be able to ?
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396374 << if i can't encrypt a 512byte udp (or file off the protocol number as per gossipd thread) single-packet-hello turd, it's useless ☝︎
ascii_butugychag: this is rather like arguing that 'cutting a man's abdominal cavity open will weaken and kill him.' YES if we haven't invented antiseptics yet
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 16:53:38; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396294 << this is like falling in love, you don't make one just because you need one. chaining things you don't understand for accountant's business sense reasons results in unexpected weaknesses. was a thread here about just that few months ago
ascii_butugychag: because i don't have 20 years to wait for discovery of good cipher.
ascii_butugychag: but re: earlier thread, i'ma publish 'g'. and it'll have one or more of the bad old ciphers from gpg. BECAUSE gpg is ~already~ the weak link in the proposed system. or ben_vulpes doesn't get to download his w4r3z
mircea_popescu: "i have no idea why this wouldn't..."
mircea_popescu: which isn't much of an idea, admittedly, but it's all i got.
mircea_popescu: don't make NEW broken things.
mircea_popescu: i don;'t wish to continue using gpg.
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit what evereyone here does.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396210 << wouldn't it be logic-er at this point to create a v genesis, and then add to that ? << Well, in short, yes. Just am aiming to get it in a good working condition and well vetted before a 'genesis'. ☝︎