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mircea_popescu: do you have sideways fan covers for the rack units btw ? or how does it look ?
mircea_popescu: you mean when buying, buy the standard not the wraith cooler ?
mircea_popescu: BUT : if you have good cooling, cpu is "unlocked" and motherboard supports it, so you can prolly overclock it to like 5k
mircea_popescu: anyway, the board itself is glass pcb, a fine piece indeed. however, the processor doesn't even work over 60 celsius.
mircea_popescu: but its microatx ftr, not mini. that's even smaller than the itx
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it eats 125W and has 4 power-down steppings. how much can it heat.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in harem delights, breakfast pancakes with tahini, gingseng molasses, fruit and venezuelan rum, served aside colombian coffee.
mircea_popescu: (this ~is~ a desktop cpu ; so it may need special mounting, but i don't think it should be outright unmountable. the asrock is a mini-atx, afaik those fit in 2u.
mircea_popescu: btw BingoBoingo : do some research, see if you can actually mount the proposed config as such, see if you find better parts or anything.
mircea_popescu: then again, there were idiots "working for the government" in the 90s eastern bloc...
mircea_popescu: well, sorta like libtarded precious cuntlet in 2018. "i wonder why nobody writes to me on fetlife!!!" "where's your nudie shots ?" "ummmm..."
mircea_popescu: because i suspect we're stuck with it until well over >1mn shitiats per coin.
mircea_popescu: and, of course, the boxes discussed if rented add another $50. or else can colocate own, but must be provided CIF @ BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: Extra power is 20 cents/Watt, can be had as an add-on. Extra bandwidth, idem, though because granularity issues can't really give a fixed price in advance. but something like $20 doubles it, more or less.
mircea_popescu: so then, (7150 - 1403) * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 33.15 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 37.75GB of weekly upload / 377.5GB download (as per 20 / 8 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and 2500/40 = 62.5 Watts of power (in the sense of 37.8 MJ).
mircea_popescu: and it looks like we're paying 10 cents a Watt, so that settles that score.
mircea_popescu: aite. so i say publish as is, but replace the addresses with ***.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : "why did you bring your cat to school, joey ?" "because as i was leaving daddy said to mommy he's gonna eat that pussy once joey leaves for school ;/"
mircea_popescu: do you get superpowers or something ? for instance, i'm romanian, and consequently i can curse.
mircea_popescu: well, what work / studying do you do, that sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: juhoitse so who might you be, other than dpb's friend ?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782057 << the principal difference being that other than holding down a high responsibility tech job with a significant on-call component, ~the woman~ is also raising a child. with the flu and everything. yet somehow her shit is still dribbling out on thursdays, today as nine weeks ago.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: check it out trinque even better than originally thought. i forgot about the setup fees.
mircea_popescu: and, to be sure, if you do manage to fill it, and if it does make good dough, i'll be just as happy for you to get a nice villa and import your own german car and diddle all the uruguayan hos you can find. so...
mircea_popescu: hey, if we pull this off i'll be just as happy as you.
mircea_popescu: so your cost basis per shared host would be like $100 weekly, nothing short of a license to print dough.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for clerical record : the per-month amortisation value of a $1300 box is 1300/12 (ie, we deem them obsolete in one year) ; consequently the retail monthly cost of a $1300 box is 1300/12*2 = 216.666666667 ; or the weekly exactly 50.
mircea_popescu: so, let me know if you're interested in buying some newegg/amazon/whatever for this, danielpbarron pete_dushenski whosoever else.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now, as to everyone else : today's the 6th. the plan is to continue discussing the spec given above, for improvements/refinements/whatever until the 8th ; at which point we start ordering. there's about 15k fiats worth of gear being contemplated, and i'm more than willing to spread it around a few people who want some cheap coins.
mircea_popescu: aite. you can certainly eat even out of a half-filled rack, so. it's a biz.
mircea_popescu: so ~in principle~, you can end up very profitable. what's needed is a good system for shared hosting, and hounding the low end forums/whatever.
mircea_popescu: then there's 5 * 41.25 * 7 ~= 1500 from racking the five. if you get say another five items to rack from other folk, that's 3k.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : the logic is, ima want 5 of the dozen ; the rest could each at least in principle support 100 "shared" sorta sites each, at $20 a month or whatever you end up charging. that's, if you manage to fill up the lot, $14`000 per month in revenue.
☟︎ mircea_popescu sees no problem whatsoever in paying 0.22 * 12 * 120+50 = 366.8 vat if it gets the pile across.
mircea_popescu: intel thinking at the time being is, "have the paperwork for mbs and chips in slot 1 ; paperwork for disks in slot 2 ; for ram in slot 3. then if asked for papers, present slot 1, offer to pay, whine and ask for discounts, etc. if that dun pass, add slot 2, whine more insistently."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aite on the power and rack cages scores. any tips you want to share with phf ? how's teh suitcase ppls do it ?
mircea_popescu: now then, considering that config : the fx-8350 is ~120 bux ; the ASRock 970M PRO3 is like $50 ; 4 x 16GB ddr3-1866 ram chips (say teh crucial ct16g3r186dm) come to about 700 dollars. drives should be about $100 to 150 per. i'm thinking should prolly actually include 2 and 4 disk setups, so taking an average of 3 that's about $1300 per box, which is not bad at all, really.
mircea_popescu: ~theoretically~ teh linux kernel is multithreaded ; in practice... well, more or less. 32 core certainly does not support 4x the load of 8 core cpus, at least in my (very limited) experience.
mircea_popescu: not to mention the item is an atrocity cobbled together out of a dozen or so actual chips, and all sorts of those discussions.
mircea_popescu: take something like, i dunno, epyc-7351 say. costs 7x, has 4x the cores, 4.5x the ram speed, 4.5x the l2/3 cache and 50% the power. basically i'm getting less than twice as much processor per watt, if i pay 7x the money. meh.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: kinda intended to be a sort of generic offering ; people with specific needs still can ship their gear over.
mircea_popescu: this, of course, is where "teh experts" could contribute, if they weren't busy taking a shit right exactly when they're needed. but... such is lyf.
mircea_popescu: seems to me a bad deal to trade 4ghz down to 3 in exchange for 16 cores instead of 8. contrary to all the hubbub, "multithreading" isn't nearly that working in practice.
mircea_popescu: now, of course, the 6376 could be piled 4 to the motherboard. but i tell you i don't see you'd want it, considering how much it eats.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: diana_coman the power diff is only about 10W. the 6376 does have 16 cores, but then again 8350 is 4GHz vs 3ish...
mircea_popescu: the "pay twice the cost but it buys you insurance from "what if the rack doesn't fill" as well as not having to do the legwork" principle seems reasonably fair to me ; it may alter in the future, but for fucking cause. like the prices work in #eulora.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the committment to transparency and in general predictability as shown above is there.
mircea_popescu: trinque i dunno what that post was about, but ima strike it from teh record.
mircea_popescu: well apparently this was never published. yo BingoBoingo WHY is your contract that you signed not online ? where's the wattage ? etc.
mircea_popescu: so then, 7150 * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 41.25 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 302GB of weekly upload / 3TB download (as per 20 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and lessee re wattage,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, i can say outright BingoBoingo 's prices are not correct. i ended up paying a little over 7k for 2 months' of the thing ; that's 3.6k or such post tax / 3k pre-tax not 2323.
mircea_popescu: trinque do you actually like weekly pricing for colocation for some reason ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo does the dc provide the racking boxes at least ? or does sheer metal have to be carried from overseas also ?
mircea_popescu: trinque thinking about it, dozen boards, dozen cpus, two dozen hdds, ram, fgs... i doubt he can actually carry this much.
mircea_popescu: independently interesting from a statistical perspective anyway.
mircea_popescu: well, exposing history is prolly 90% of the job anyway. give people a feel for it.
mircea_popescu: trinque i suspect his whole thing was "how much under "all" must i withdraw to get it through". but in any case, how hard would it be to have a !!fee that reports "past week avg fee : x (y txn)" "past month avg fee" etc.
mircea_popescu: you realise this is the definition of tilt, yes ? "i know better than mp" etc.
mircea_popescu: you had your take, fucked it up, maybe at some point you get more. that's it.
mircea_popescu: if one sentence's insufficient however many more are available upon request. PRIOR rather than POST failure.