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phf: what i'm trying to do is not so much a rewrite, as first an ascii style cut of relevant bits, to preserve backwards compatability with current patches, and then augmentation to support various operations that were discussed in logs, that are more about file management than they are about diffing

esthlos: the program should be a good substitute for reading the paper directly

phf: i took a little break to put it into CWEB so i can print it and read it (cutting process was mostly mechanic, so now i need to actually grok some of the things it does), but that turned out to be a pita

esthlos: phf: a little birdie told me you are working on a diff replacement. have you made significant progress?

asciilifeform: i.e. 'We have now the sha512 checksums of all blocks loaded by yours truly from mircea_popescu's machine on June 28 - 29, 2015. This is posted here as a permanent record in light of a certain conversation [2] concerning possible shitgnomatic shenanigans.'

asciilifeform: ( at one point there were a 'volokh brothers' www, and fairly respectable imho . )

asciilifeform: oh hah it was the brother : http://volokh.com/2010/04/30/on-a-bus-in-kiev/

asciilifeform: iirc it is his younger brother who is a major-league pantsuitist nao

asciilifeform: and yes i grasp that this is a kind of usurpation. but given http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759658, ! ☝︎

asciilifeform: was it a dream..?

asciilifeform: incidentally at one time asciilifeform made and signed a block hash manifest. but cannot find in the logz...

asciilifeform: and let there be such a thing as , e.g., viral-payload-node-that-still-gets-correct-blox-but-dun-need-to-carry-200GB

asciilifeform: theoretically could even have a 'actually do the full-bore-verifications in background AFTER sync' knob.

asciilifeform: and a not-insignificant chunk of the work one sees in http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=stable , had to happen on account of 'and we still have to talk to prb somehow...'

asciilifeform: ( and , consider, if mining were not also a bug, who would waste any time attempting to converse with prbtrons ? )

asciilifeform: prb is a bug (tm)(r) !!

asciilifeform: the intrinsic difficulty of a trbtron's job is more or less 100% in dealing-with-prb.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759898 << in a sane gossiptron, nobody'd be keeping bastard blocks around to begin with, and the problem would not even be formulatable, 'what do you mean, out of order, everybody's got an ordered array of blocks, some people simply longer one than others, let's all visit'em' ☝︎

asciilifeform rereading oldies, e.g. his response to a circa-2011 gabriel_laddel , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=498&cpage=1#comment-1812

mircea_popescu: it's one thing to say "if i were writing it i'd have written the same" when you wrote a few and considered how you'd write even more. but on the nude... ?

asciilifeform: try an' live a bit longer, folx!11

asciilifeform: nao for all i know this was done specifically to make asciilifeform et al think that 'ru forbes' is a thing.

mircea_popescu: god knows nobody has YET written a piece for the usg faux news outlets that survived braindamaging at time of packaging (and some truly eminent examples documented by various parties)

mircea_popescu: the other direct avenue, of course, is to say "text was a lot better as author submitted it, before forbes"ru" chiseled it into visible shape". which for all i know might even be true,

phf: but there's a point there, which is not necessarily about the man, but about the author. the selling forbes part, which i think is true. bulk of su intelligentsia went full "progressive" after the collapse

asciilifeform: the argument , in asciilifeform's reading, is that bardin was a Troo Man Of Science (tm)(r) , liek the fella who starved in the seed collection in sieged leningrad. i.e. instead of going to sell soap and getrichquick(tm) in 'cooperatives', blackmarketeering, misc. adventurism, d00d sat and built up usenet node in su. collected unix src into a working whole, and did not try to gatekeeper. etc

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was once director of insane asylum. moscow inspectors came to examine ivan bonapartii napoleonovich, a celebrated nutcase. ivan said "einstein is a jew, because his theories privilege the speed of light in preference of other speeds that are much more important to us" and asciilifeform brought ivan a cup of tea.

mircea_popescu: here, i have a soviet joke for you :

mircea_popescu: he created a partition over the statal space, and choose some bits.

mircea_popescu: think : kurchatov eminently supported a primitive republic AGAINST "everyone".

mircea_popescu: (note that i ~can~ both follow and support the reading of the man's words that'd permit you to say "Yes" ; however it'd be very much a sopirla, and well distant from what "plain reading" delivers.)

asciilifeform: item ain't about socialist fungus robbing mircea_popescu's gold to pay iq80 scum to breed. item is about a man of science who 'acted from causes, not purposes' and did not think 'hey i can't monetize 'principia', i'd better not newtonate'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ideal of the soviet man of science is that until such a time as every last soviet citizen can follow brin the elder, no brin the elder should speak ?

phf: i suspect this dude doesn't have any kind of apropriate venue to publish an obituary that he expects to be read by a lot of people. that's sort of the point of obituary, is to get any random reddit man to scratch his head

mircea_popescu: it's what we expect to see, isn't it ? usg is specifically the empire of "there's a difference between what is and what you want to see, and we live out of selling that"

phf: there's soviets that read "ponedelnik nachinayetsa..." and took it to heart, they proped up the rest of the charade. that's the ideal soviet man, that products of intelligentsia parents like ascii or myself talk about. it is obviously a chimera, but it still has a mythical value

asciilifeform: it's a religious ideal.

mircea_popescu: the point is really, "soviet man didn't know how to support a group" ?

mircea_popescu: and the piece is OF a respectable man, but not by a respectable man, though the quality of the masquerade is indeed high.

asciilifeform: if it's a usg.op, it's to prop up the rest of the forbes liquishit with this eminently respectable piece.

mircea_popescu: forbes ru exists to lend credence to the empty notion that forbes is a thing, which is no different from the proposition best-bitcoin-mining-trading-info-near-you-australia.s3.amazonaws.com is a thing.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you read "it seems to me, that he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group. everyone. or nobody. we all once were like this. us. people from a destroyed country" other than a) a retcon of history (soviet man EMINENTLY was never like this,. but like the opposite of this) and b) "please please please let there be no republc please" rendered in prolix sty

asciilifeform: what's next, a ru nyt ? wapo?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759922 << and yes it's plastered in spamola. confession : until today asciilifeform did not know there WAS a ru forbes ☝︎

asciilifeform: it reads like a genuine obit by a genuine man of a genuine man..

asciilifeform: 'perhaps, to the end of his days, valeriy bardin remained a soviet man -- it seems to me, that he did not know how to do things that would be of use to him personally, or some particular group. everyone. or nobody. we all once were like this. us. people from a destroyed country. and, perhaps, will be again. perhaps this was specifically the thing which was worth learning from valeriy bardin. when he was still there.'

asciilifeform: 'russia [at eu unix user group] was invited to pay a membership due in proportion to its network size. it turned out that russia (remember, '90s, nobody's got any kind of moneys whatsoever) must pay more than england, france, and germany put together. bardin took the stage and proclaimed that he is ready to pay, but only if the money will be used in accordance with the organization's charter -- to bring the development level of the r

mircea_popescu: "daniel is a bot" "how can you tell it's a bot ?" "because i don;t like what it says, but let's veil this into some numerology considerations". hurr.

mircea_popescu: im going to make this the permanent reference endpoint to that entire story of how sane language protects the speaker from idiocy as a passive aura.

danielpbarron: they also gave me a gmail address, for what that's worth. i'm like "what's wrong with doing it right here??"

mircea_popescu: i am personally insulted by all the useless fuckwits with patreon profiles because unlike the useless fuckwits a la say rms, they MOVED THERE AFTER THE REPUBLIC.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 17:37 asciilifeform: pushing dun do much for a trb node, who needs at any given time THAT ONE SPECIFIC NEXT block

phf: so the weird graph indicates that some hunks are missing antecedents, in this case at least test_mpi.c is claiming a previous version that's not in btcbase

diana_coman: it does modify a lot of things so it's seen as having antecedents ch1, ch2 and the mpi-fix iirc

asciilifeform: nao if only d00d had a key!!

phf: aaaand since i don't want to think about any of this shit right now, you get a multiline born until i get to it :>

a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 19:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record and in case it isn't entirely self-evident on the basis of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758486 : whenever some self-proclaimed "sovereign" of the fiat sort tries to say "hey, we have a law", the correct response is to a) point out to that self-proclaimed faux sovereign that there exist other just as valid because just as self-proclaimed faux sovereigns (the eu, russia, china, whatever, bucnha them

phf: which i think is a problem in quoter, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758552 ☝︎

asciilifeform: meanwhile zoolag, a machine the size of a man's fist, not only has 0 problem keeping up with tip of spear, but slightly pacing ahead of, e.g., bci & co

shinohai: a prb chain paradise!

asciilifeform: 'The Apple TV was connected to a Bose CineMate soundbar via Optical Audio connection but the Bose system was in indeterminable working condition. For reasons beyond the pale of explanation or sanity, the Bose system didn’t have any physical buttons on it. Not for power, not for volume, not for anything.' << lol!!

asciilifeform: ( and was it a 32-bit or 64- elf... )

deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/12/28/the-little-elf-that-saved-christmas/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The little Elf that saved Christmas.

asciilifeform: 99.99999%+ of what gets 'pushed' to a trb node, is thrown straight into the rubbish

asciilifeform: pushing dun do much for a trb node, who needs at any given time THAT ONE SPECIFIC NEXT block ☟︎

asciilifeform: mod6: when i think about shitoshi's idiocy that 'aggression' replaces, i froth with rage. the sheer stink of winblowzism, 'let's all run nodes for 2h a day after booting winblowz to play whorecraft-III, boot time is sooospeshul'

asciilifeform: a yes

phf: i think that maybe it should also return a link to original, or maybe post more than one line

BingoBoingo: brb, me voy a immersion

asciilifeform meanwhile was watching zoolag sync, 'hmm 10min from nao' turned into hour+, and still 10blox behind. culprit seems to be a combo of 'everybody else is lagging' and 'flooded with mempool crud, and as result , not spending enuff time disconnecting unproductives and pushgetblocks()ing with novel peers'

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's a mirror of the collection on mircea_popescu's www

ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you know i just went looking for a "best of MPOE-PR" and didn't find one

ben_vulpes: lol i stuck my head into bitcointalk.org for all of ten minutes before i found hanbot's legendary piece and jumped to #b-a

a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 13:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758896 << i have this vague memory that both phf and trinque were originally introduced in this sense by ben_vulpes ; whereas you were introduced similarily by hanbot. by comparison the pantsuit "evidently correct & only method" of herdemocracy has produced a whole lot of indiancandies and other self-choice delusionists.

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759407 << phf pasted me some emacs erc (irc client) auth scriptage way back in the gribble days which got him a rating, and trinque and i'd been drinking together in meatland, and hanging in previously a mentioned pantsuit hellhole irc channel and ricocheted off #b-a a few times (at my insistence iirc) before it stuck ☝︎

asciilifeform: or aspell -a etc.

asciilifeform: afaik german is the only living lang close-enuff to stand a chance of working like this with eng

asciilifeform: uncle al had a german/english one

asciilifeform: this oughta be a genre...

mircea_popescu: there is no difference between a patch unsigned and another patch unsigned, much like there's no difference between a nobody "gerald davis" and the exact same nobody "gerard david"

mircea_popescu: im not sure this is a problem. people use crapple os, an unsupported chain off the main v trunk as it is.

mircea_popescu: nature comes with a key shaped like that hole, it is called "apostasy is its own punishment".

asciilifeform: which has currently a birth defect hole in it, the classical blockchain is not properly speaking immutable.

mircea_popescu: it mearly meant this much, that it'd be a chain of patches.

mircea_popescu: but the discussion here is merely "how to enforce a correct chain of patches"

mircea_popescu: anyway, a lot of it is guessable on the basis of, mostly stoic re-write.

mircea_popescu: (reason earth is fulla iron is that gold needs a discretely different star to produce ; yes there's a continuous mass consideration involoved, but the results -- discretized)

a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.

mircea_popescu: (as to domus and personal divinity -- slavegirls regularily apologize for "not having managed more". because it's true, the fundamental with a view to only interaction with the superior is built out of the vague regret of one's own insufficiency. da fuck else is there.)

a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:30 mircea_popescu: at no prior point was there a case when... no step available, shortest one is eight billion light years tall and fuck you.

asciilifeform: and there's a reason we're talking over waveguide and not, say, entangletron

asciilifeform: or for that matter, usable maxwell. ( modern electronic design uses a narrowly restricted, i.e. sorta-fits-in-head special form of maxwell )

mircea_popescu: (i deliberately said "a guy like einstein" to avoid the history discussion)

mircea_popescu: sort-of akin to running mt_rand on (0, infinity) and expecting results to fit a register.

mircea_popescu: yes, but wide in a certain limited sense.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:28 mircea_popescu: for instance : there is NO REASON why general relativity should be tractable with (minor) extensions on infinitesimal calculus. in other words : there is NO REASON the gap between newton and einstein be narrow enough to be closed by a guy like einstein

mircea_popescu: which is WHY i kept chuckling at inept illiterate imbeciles herp-derping about "oh, a cult".

mircea_popescu: the necessary correlate of any functional republic, res divinae, the two together forming... a religion.

mircea_popescu: (and evidently, if this is not evident, the argument is not limited to culture ; theory of evolution proposes a succession of steps to arrive to humanoid, that all similarily also happened. wel...)

mircea_popescu: at no prior point was there a case when... no step available, shortest one is eight billion light years tall and fuck you. ☟︎