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BingoBoingo: Anything in particular bring you here
today?
BingoBoingo: ;;later
tell pete_dushenski Easy mode is
the only real way
to play most new "AAA" games while determining which of one's failures are due
to
the game's inherent challenge vs.
The game being an unfinished piece of shit
ascii_field: but
this brings us back
to
the question of whether mr s has ~intellectual authority~
mircea_popescu: moreover :
the solution
to
the challenge is plainly
there.
mircea_popescu: there is no structural way
to scoure a message outside of it.
ascii_field: i'll confess
that my first
thought, if anything were ever
to appear signed with satoshi's key,
that he has finally been found, killed, and usgificated.
mircea_popescu: but as
things stand
today, after
two years of idiocy from
the stooge camp, your doubts would be a weak minority even without it.
ascii_field: if it is
the intellectual authority behind satoshi's key, i must confess i have my doubts
gabriel_laddel: mats: don't be shy, name names! Who in here is faking
their hatred?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what is
the 'reserve power' here ?
gabriel_laddel: there was one man who wanted
to prosecute
the IBM fella, and I can't remember his name...
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: aha, lightoller did his
thing ~long before~
the ship began
to sink
mircea_popescu: the very notable reserve power behind it all is not
the hoard.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field nevertheless,
the strategic considerations involved are what
they are.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 21:39:10; mircea_popescu: because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst
time
to do research
ascii_field: the more i work with
the eldritch horror,
the less respect i have for
this 'messiah'
ascii_field a little confused. possibly from
too much x86 asm
today
mircea_popescu: (formally, once it no longer can be used
to make predictions)
mircea_popescu: you never can know whether you have or have not considered "the history", for
the plain reason
that history is something you only know once it no longer matters
mircea_popescu: but in actual fact
the usg idiots have done such a good job at burying
themselves,
that it likely wouldn't even be needed,
today.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i wouldn't presume
to be
the only one pushing
the heresy, no
mircea_popescu: normally
the switchover from prototype
to actual product might have needed a little prodding, so reserve funds make sense, yes.
mircea_popescu: the satoshi hoard poses very little
threat
to bitcoin as is.
the real
threat is, an ~ACTUAL~ bitcoin client emerging,
that's
thje actual son of
the original, not a bastardized clump of nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 02:55:29; asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: i don't recall mircea_popescu ever devoting a whole article
to specifically
that one. his position, iirc, is 'satoshi lost
the keys'
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 21:12:54; *: ascii_field has been pouring
the gasoline of
this heresy around for years, is pleased
that folks are finally lighting
the match
mircea_popescu: doesn't
this prove without a doubt
that half
the bugs were left behind ?
mircea_popescu: "During
the following 24 hour period, our CRS was able
to identify vulnerabilities in 65 of
those programs and rewrite 94 of
them
to eliminate bugs built in
their code.
This proves, without a doubt,
that it is not only possible but achievable
to automate
the actions of a
talented software auditor."
mircea_popescu: because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst
time
to do research
☟︎ mircea_popescu: at
the one
time when buying ibm was actually
the rigfht move.
ascii_field: he was
the one fella who got nailed 'for buying ibm'
mircea_popescu: he just got stuck
trying
to make it work afterwards, and got his ears nailed
to
the headboard when he couldn't.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 19:27:19; asciilifeform: re more important
than experimental results. Lightoller, in effect, put
traditions and customs ahead of
the lives of passengers.
To him, “the experience of years” and “what we have always done” outweighed all practical suggestions as
to what we might do instead,
to avoid killing
thousands of people.'
mircea_popescu: but yes, it does not follow
that
the heads ought
to stay on.
ascii_field: does not follow
that
the heads ought
to stay on; gluttony no - simony - yes
mircea_popescu: ascii_field beheading
the popist priests will not banish gluttony from your lands, kind sire.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu:
the problem lies with 'derps' not with
the 'rewrite'
trinque: mircea_popescu: I see
that point
too
ascii_field: mircea_popescu:
titanic is
the quintessential 'industry standard' - recall
the piece re:
the officers ?
mircea_popescu: i
think actually curtis yarvin is a very fine example of what's
the problem with derps "reviewing
the whole history"
ascii_field has been pouring
the gasoline of
this heresy around for years, is pleased
that folks are finally lighting
the match
☟︎ mircea_popescu: yet most of everything
that works was built by people doing
the incremental bs.
trinque: I deeply and passionately resent everyone in
the field which put systems such as
these in my lap and
told me
they were "industry standards" and so on
trinque: ftr I listened
to
the
talk;
the way
the man
thinks is a perfect representative of a mind which makes incremental changes based on "real world pragmatism" without ever reviewing
the whole history of
the field and designing from
that perspective.
mircea_popescu: in short, unpalatable as
this is, im afraid it'd be a field where no formal examination is possible.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is
that you can't have people mechanically NOT follow
their betters just
to maintain
the shattered scabbard of an "intellectual independence"
they do not actually possess.
mircea_popescu: this is universally a bad habit anyway. heck, not doing
THAT is even in
the rules, such as
they are.
mats: if you hate something,
thats fine, but i expect specific and reasoned judgment; its well and good
to despise node.js, or javascript, or c++, but i catch a funny smell in here when folks more or less coopt
the opinions of
their perceived betters
☟︎ nubbins`: <+mats> because every
technical person i have ever met with
this attitude has
turned out
to know a lot less
than
they believe
they did <<<
those who
think
they know X have
those who know X outnumbered hundreds of millions
to one
mircea_popescu: the proportion of actual humans coming out, about
the same
throughout.
mircea_popescu: 't ya ?!),
the result is a lot of obnoxious, self-centered, lazy
twerps.
mircea_popescu: anyway. historically
there's no impact. for many years
teachers soundly and loudly despised
their pupils.
this resulted in a large mass of insecure, neurotic schmucks, freud fodder. for some years now
teachers loudly and perhaps soundly love
their pupils. outside of a few cases of coabitation which are apparently a criminal offense for some contorted reason (what sense does it make, you asked
them
to love
the kids didn
mircea_popescu: and i do mean
this no. prolly met more mothers
than you met reverse engineers,
too.
mircea_popescu: i dunno,
the reverse case can also be made. no mother i ever met was actually aware how shitty her offspring was.
trinque: mats: sure you can; you never smelled something even
though you already knew it was rotten?
mats: because every
technical person i have ever met with
this attitude has
turned out
to know a lot less
than
they believe
they did
mircea_popescu: do you suppose
torquemada was
the worst anatomist of his age, because unlike
the other jews, he was contempt-powered ?
mats: and here is why: i don't
think its possible
to be a good reverse engineer when you approach odd design choices with contempt rather
than curiousity.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he had a slide on how Bitcoin solves
the Byzantine general's problem
mircea_popescu: things like how
trilema shapes
the future irrespective of how many derps deem
themselves
to be "offended" by it and attempt in
their meagre way
to resist are obviously not well explained by
that
theory.
ascii_field: think of
the fella who first loaded own spoodge onto a microscope slide.
mircea_popescu: a rare enough
trait, which is why periods of abundance do not increase
the population.
mircea_popescu: so
the doctor example is particularly cogent.
the doctor, and more generally
the scholar (called scientist
these days) is
the person whose curiosity is inflamed by what makes others puke.
mircea_popescu: so you know, if you decide you hate it
then you couldn't possibly (in
this worldview) ever learn anything from it, or even examine it critically.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the root is, i suppose,
the unwarranted expectation
that choice predates existence, and
that it necessarily is (not even by god's grace or anything, but immediately) accessible
to "thinking people" which
the subject will always see himself as. consequently, given
that choice predates existence, and given
that it is necessarily accessible, it
then follows
that one may only be informed by
things one approves of.
mircea_popescu: ironically, half
the
time
this happens in response
to someone asking b-a
to stop being so radically self-centered.
mircea_popescu: well,
the role of b-a in most people's lives at
this point is i suppose
this critical if at
times forcible examination of mental habits and automatisms
they hold dear unexamidely.
nubbins`: i don't have w/e paperwork is required
to purchase guns or ammo
ascii_field: this is
the kind of field i refer
to as 'of entomological interest'
mircea_popescu: such as you know,
things written by english native speakers.
mircea_popescu: as best i can discern atm, a curiosity steeped in burning hate is by far
the best approach when dealing with maggot swamps.
ascii_field: nubbins`: yours?
they look like cheapo surplus 9mm luger
mircea_popescu: moreover, and more importantly, other
than
the "palatable" part, which is entirely your own aesthetic judgement, i'd like some substantiation as
to
the "nobody gains" part. how do you know
this ?
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 15:54:23; mats: ya'll need
to cool it with
the hate bandwagons, curiousity about how
things work is a superior and more palatable approach
BingoBoingo: <assbot> Logged on 16-07-2015 14:21:09; asciilifeform: also, learned
that
the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand()
type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in
therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a
turd only
they support << From my limited understanding it isn't Phoundation nodes, but SPV shit running Hearnia's BitcoinJ doing
that
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it became apparent
that
they're not kids but actually mentally retarded, and
they certainly do not mean well.
mircea_popescu: the chicken scriblings coming after were originally excused under
the "they're kids and
they mean well" header.
mircea_popescu: anyway.
the claim is not
that
the original code is bad as in, bad penmanship.
the claim is
that
the original code is no good as in, not sane design.
this is consistent with a prototype and not particularly reflective on
the capacity of
the author.
nubbins`: ^ guy disagreeing with hearn's opinion
that satoshi's code was diarrhoea splatter