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mircea_popescu: which is why people who set out to write "interesting journals" end up with crap and peopl setting out to write "earnest journals" end up the basis of history.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have fairly good picture of what i do ~not~ like to read
mircea_popescu: you don't generally know what you will like to read, is the problem here. and this is not a resolvable problem for good and fundasmental reasons, also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like all 3 notations. for erry size of hammer there is a time an' place.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, this is exactly "alf likes polish notation". good for you, but as the above cs intro page explains : YOU KEEP NEEDING SHIT FROM THE RIGHT.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-23 18:34 mircea_popescu: "Busy all day. The phone just would not stop ringing. Mark called several times (some of them about Paychex), Stu called (oops, late to meet him for lunch), my sister called (wants me to buy her a house, but in a good way), I called my grandparents to thank them for the Red Lobster gift card Fade and I used for dinner, the series of phone calls from Eric was because he had to debug a problem with the gpsd test suite hanging o
a111: Logged on 2019-02-24 06:42 mircea_popescu: witness how instagram is chock full of a bunch of pretentious pictures of foods/travels/whatever that the putative "authors" ~aspire~ to.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-24#1899021 << these tend to converge to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-23#1898936 -style horror . asciilifeform's pov re writing is to write the kind of thing he would wish to read himself, rather than 'here is what we ate , and here is what looked like when we barfed it out' . granted when taken to extreme other end, can result in writing nuffin at all . ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: archiving this http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~pjj/cs212/fix.html
mircea_popescu does very little actually creative work ; merely not getting in the way of people trying to make things is a full time job
a111: Logged on 2015-04-07 21:39 mircea_popescu: but i say the pigs make ham. as that one butcher observed, "i only follow the lines already there"
asciilifeform: so even if orig publication had been moar detailed and on asciilifeform's www, one would still be stuck walking all of these, to get proper picture .
asciilifeform: hanbot: orig 'v' was an asciilifeform torture room item, but it was other folx who made it actually useful ( mircea_popescu -- conceived a philosophical foundation for it, conceptually; ben_vulpes -- documented; mod6 et al -- reimplemented , and filled missing pheature holes ; trb users -- battlefield-tested; phf -- keccakized; etc )
asciilifeform: it remains true that the 'canonical' piece re subj was by ben_vulpes ( http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system ) tho
a111: Logged on 2019-02-24 06:53 mircea_popescu: all the recurrent "look how well this works out, except it only works out because the item was there, you couldn't have computed WHEN I WROTE IT that this is how it'll be useful, nor do you have the time or resources when it'd be useful to re-produce the thing in the past you should've marked" is entirely about this.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-24#1899032 << when 'v' started 'living' outside of domain of strictly trb, asciilifeform did eventually write 'open problems' piece re subj, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-24 06:47 hanbot wouldn't for a moment think of v as belonging in the set of "failed attempts"/"ugliness or banality potential of life on earth", but otherwise the problem of desire to control perception is spot-on. i certainly have that problem, "x isn't polished enough", "i'll write about y when it's all done and i know what the score is" etc
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-24#1899025 << imho trb ml contains massive record of ' asciilifeform's initial failed attempts at v ' : the sequence of 'determine flow with bare hands' pre-v patches. ( signed, too ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-24 06:38 hanbot: am i nuts for expecting the this to be on asciilifeform's blog, seeing as he wrote it?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-24#1899016 << more boringly, item was born from trb work ( and specifically jurov's mailing list mechanism , with enforcement of patch signatures ) , i.e. 'hand-cranked v', so ended up on the trb ml. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: lobbes your work inspired a trilema megapiece!
a111: Logged on 2019-02-24 08:16 hanbot: hey phf -- there's some shenanigans with your blog i think. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EVcgT/?raw=true
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-24#1899036 << back now, sorry about that ☝︎
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/02/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-ii/ << The Whet -- hanbot's Cuntoo Bake Test Notes - Part II
hanbot: hey phf -- there's some shenanigans with your blog i think. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EVcgT/?raw=true ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "but mp, why would you DO that!!!" "i don't know yet."
hanbot nominates that old pic on trilema of some shit you took as mascot for this conversation
mircea_popescu: all the recurrent "look how well this works out, except it only works out because the item was there, you couldn't have computed WHEN I WROTE IT that this is how it'll be useful, nor do you have the time or resources when it'd be useful to re-produce the thing in the past you should've marked" is entirely about this. ☟︎
hanbot: i guess "we've always venerated v" ~= "we've always been at war with eastasia", but it's not so easy to see from this vantage.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 17:18 asciilifeform: back when asciilifeform was spending his days putting robot arm through glass doors etc
mircea_popescu: and alf of 2015 was a lot less confident in his own product than there was any cause to (for the obvious reasons he occasionally discusses, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892360 and all that) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: v-as-of-2015 is exactly the same item as something-that-will-happen-tomorrow. yes v-as-of-2019 has some sort of value associated, built in those 4 years. but the original, emergent item was valued according to prospective, not historical criteria. basically, it got whatever ~default~ value one put on his own ingenuity.
mircea_popescu: but you see, ~before~ "v" existed, in the sense you understand it now, v also existed as a thing that hasn't yet existed.
hanbot wouldn't for a moment think of v as belonging in the set of "failed attempts"/"ugliness or banality potential of life on earth", but otherwise the problem of desire to control perception is spot-on. i certainly have that problem, "x isn't polished enough", "i'll write about y when it's all done and i know what the score is" etc ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "if nobody saw me shitting my pants then therefore nobody has any cause to suspect i ever did" or somesuch. as fucking if that's how anything worked.
mircea_popescu: and so blogs are significantly shittier than they could have been, and in exchange the author steals his own hat, and "saves face" or w/e the fuck the inner 6yo imagines itself to be getting thereby.
mircea_popescu: it'd be way the fuck better to see the 500 failed attempts that went into that quiche/scooba/whatever. but people being the morons that their mothers made them, rather than the people their absent daddies could have conceivably made them, throw out the good stuff and keep around the chaff nobody cares about.
mircea_popescu: witness how instagram is chock full of a bunch of pretentious pictures of foods/travels/whatever that the putative "authors" ~aspire~ to. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: before i made nicole go naked on her knees NOBODY EVER imagined going naked on your knees is the proper path towards a technical career. before i published that thing, it wasn't self obvious it should be on loper-os. and so fucking following.
mircea_popescu: there's this common tendency among noob bloggers to regard the blog as some sort of trophycase/showcase. they miss out on their own youth, as the lived story of their own personal path through life, consisting as such always does of failure, and tribulation.
mircea_popescu: 2019 logic didn't seem nearly as logical in 2015, what can i tell you.
hanbot: am i nuts for expecting the this to be on asciilifeform's blog, seeing as he wrote it? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ~the~ this is actually in the article.
hanbot: mircea_popescu so it does. but i mean, "the idea behind this"? what if one's looking for -the- this?
mircea_popescu: at the time alf was being weird about publishing things on his blog.
mircea_popescu: hanbot cuz it links the mailing list.
asciilifeform: this i think covers it.
asciilifeform: ( trb vgenesis released slightly ~prior~ to 1st vtron per se, recall )
hanbot: asciilifeform do you have a url handy for your original, absolutely first-ever post on V? i'd like to link to it. (and while i'm at it, mircea_popescu why doesn't http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-releases-v-for-victory/ link to it?)
nicoleci: mircea_popescu: nicoleci kitten, check out latest comments, local troll dug out the linkedin of this lulzcow. write to them, say hi an' tell 'em your master ordered you to << this is done - i messaged him as ordered. :)
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/02/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714. - Part IV.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the whole heathen->cuntoo environment building will require some more brush-up and tweaking. eventually we'll get it smooth but for now such attempts are indeed very useful globally, even if i imagine locally frustrating.
lobbes: Luckily, this time around I have a 40MB screenlog to parse through. Will return once I have a more substantive understanding of where exactly the failure points are when trying to build my kernel config ☟︎
lobbes: However, I've got some detective work to do now; Last night I ran the Cuntoo script (using the same kernel used for the above functioning Gentoo, and aimed at a usb drive), however when building the kernel I saw a spew of "error: cannot read XYZ elf file" and then it drops me out of the bootstrap.sh
lobbes: good day, #t. Quick update on what I've been doing lately: I've been on a bridge-to-cuntoo quest. Firstly, I spent the last week or so successfully getting a hand-rolled classic Gentoo installed on my lappy; complete with alf's classic crapolade masks, functioning networking, gcc-musl, ave1's gnat, and diana_coman's v setup (tested and working splendidly, I will add).
mircea_popescu: "Somebody needs to fork gcc at the last GPLv2 release (4.2.2 I think, need to check) and maintain that, because the FSF has gone totally around the bend and the community shouldn't depend on it anymore." << check that lulz.
mircea_popescu: should be fun to go on hunting expedition among the wolves that ate boston 4th time tho.
asciilifeform: has plenty of folx with primo employment quals to be fulltime furnace stokers, tho
mircea_popescu: africa africs, they'll be burning dung and tyres, of course.
mircea_popescu: the united states does not have the required skilled workforce to maintain nuclear plants, let alone build them. it's a foregone conclusion.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 1 natural resource not yet exhausted in north amer, is (shit-grade) coal. lizards are fixin' for a return to 'golden age' of soot and aerially-dispersed thorium, for coupla decades nao
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they'll prolly go for it, as the easiest thing to maintain. (in other words : heating new york is impossible as a matter of fact -- the best way to "explain" this to the affected while maintaining control is to pretend it's deliberate)
BingoBoingo: Well, one Pantsuit primary election faultline is appearing to be a "Green New Deal" that consists of eliminating fuels and nuclear power within 10 years. A proposal that makes... heating New York impossible
mircea_popescu: "Poking at making an open source version of the Cisco toolchain again, from publicly available sources. (No, Cisco isn't paying me to do this, most of those engineers are off for the holidays and not even answering their work email. I'm doing it because I'm disgusted with the FSF and would love to undermine Mepis II any way I can.)" << nuts. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the us has been de-industrializing on the strength of the imbecility and sloth of the population for a century straight.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it was avoidable. it's like saying "sinking submarine won by appointing X captain".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what did they win ?
mircea_popescu: or i guess the gain is that inept bois who can't afford a cup of standardcoffee at the standardshop could pretend like they're "fixing it" for 8 years, which is to say most of their productive life ?
mircea_popescu: or what was it, now whenever someone who hates black people is looking for ammo he can go "obama was ~easily~ the most inept, ridiculous, useless and failful president in history" ?
mircea_popescu: a functionally iliterate moron from illinois/kenya got to fist bump with the functionally illiterate morons polishing the white house floors. i guess that's a gain in fried chicken ?
a111: Logged on 2014-07-19 03:17 mircea_popescu: there for all eternity, to confront generations of bright teenagers that'll take about five minutes to figure out she's a furniture, and maybe not torture her for it. maybe.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu covered this , in http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761495 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: who won what from the whole "black president" charade ?
mircea_popescu: funny how poorly the whole charade worked out. imagine if they came to you, you know, "here guy, you're the least informed dork in all of this obscure university's legal history dept, we'll promote you as the truly white black man! then you can go down in history as the most idiotic black man the soil ever produced, while we move on to different-but-same whiteboi wanking posts".
a111: Logged on 2019-02-23 17:23 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu has this piece , where rms as lev trotsky, 'troo left believer' surrounded by the usual swarm of cynical grifters who inevitably come to put proboscis into 'troo believer' as surely as flies to shit
mircea_popescu: in short, obama is the ~by product~ of a bunch of retarded white boys, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: turns out that yes, hussein bahamas was suckered into that play and crushed.
mircea_popescu: more money away from the competition. (Unless Obama's smart enough to talk congress into investing in the future _before_ it becomes an imminent crisis.)"
mircea_popescu: guy's political intuitions are remarkably weak : "All along, their big worry was the price of oil would rise to the point where alternative energy sources became _cheaper_, and people started funding research into them not out of altruistic or environmental motives but because there was money to be made in the near term. The massive price decline in oil is a mixed blessing for OPEC; it shrinks their paycheck but diverts even
asciilifeform: i can picture how someone might end up living like this. but cannot picture why he'd publicly write about it.
asciilifeform: i can stomach nomoar of this
asciilifeform: 'Biked to the chick-fil-a on ben white. In 95 degree heat.' 'The hot water started working again this afternoon. Life is good.' 'For the record, a $5 gift card at starbucks doesn't _quite_ buy a mint hot chocolate and a slice of lemon pound cake, but it comes close.' << oook asciilifeform's dosimeter is fully black
asciilifeform: http://archive.is/Jt2js#selection-4119.0-4126.0 << also lulzy. this is just about bottomless well of these, tho, i'ma not pollute the log .
mircea_popescu: "If I go home, I'll be endlessly pestered by cats. If I go into a room and close the door, they'll claw at it, the whole time." << dood had some srs problems. i sent much less disrespectful cat flying out window.
asciilifeform: 'November 2, 2008 Cross compiling gcc's c++ support doesn't work because even though I'm saying --enable-threads=posix the various subdirectories are trying to run the compiler it built to grep out the "Thread model: " line to set the config entry target_thread_file (which gets used to set glibcxx_thread_h, which is breaking) and you CAN'T RUN IT WHEN WE'RE CROSS COMPILING YOU TWIT!'
mircea_popescu: what morris is this ?!
asciilifeform: ^ gottaluvv how that's justanotherdiaryentry, and not followed by 'november 9, 2008: today i made arrangements for seppuku'
asciilifeform: 'A sad day; the McDonald's double cheeseburger is no longer a dollar menu item. They now have the "McDouble" (which is the same thing but only one slice of cheese), but it's a sign that the whole thing is likely to drop off soon. Apparently, just because the economy has imploded doesn't mean we haven't still got galloping inflation.' << there's 9000 of these, i'ma leave off , so as not to ruin appetites
asciilifeform: 'So there's a small but nonzero chance that if the suit over the Linksys build system goes to trial that I would be on Cisco's defense team working against the SFLC. Maybe even testifying in court against them. Considering I still think the SFLC is in the wrong here, I'm pretty happy with this.' << whatever happened with that
mircea_popescu: these numbers for, or if the perl generating them didn't suck quite so badly.) Tired. Bedtime. Tackle it in the morning." << 2008, this.
mircea_popescu: "So the busybox "dc" command was broken when I tried it, but Denys fixed it last night, so I can do the next perl removal patch now. (I need to get this done before the merge window closes.) Three hours later, I've learned how to implement the greatest common denominator algorithm in shell script using Eucilid's algorithm, and I'm only about halfway through. (This would be easier if I either had any idea what the kernel used
mircea_popescu: he sounds like he's from maryland or something, to me.
asciilifeform: ( or why else 'buy house for sister so as to eat at mcd' ?! )
mircea_popescu: n Ubuntu 8.10, which eventually turned out to be that gcc 4.3 is miscompiling Python 2.5... Eventually my cell phone battery died from all the calls." << how about this.
mircea_popescu: "Busy all day. The phone just would not stop ringing. Mark called several times (some of them about Paychex), Stu called (oops, late to meet him for lunch), my sister called (wants me to buy her a house, but in a good way), I called my grandparents to thank them for the Red Lobster gift card Fade and I used for dinner, the series of phone calls from Eric was because he had to debug a problem with the gpsd test suite hanging o ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'My sound cancelling headphone make excellent earmuffs while walking to The Donald's ' << this has gotta be a joak ☟︎
asciilifeform: ilar. If it's not electronically searchable, it won't matter... ...Project Gutenberg will scan in and OCR the public domain books, but in 100 years will anybody remember that UPI (a competitor to AP that went belly up a few years ago) even existed' << poor bugger
asciilifeform: 'Yesterday Fade wanted to know why Reuters and the Associated Press don't let their content stay on the web long. It's because they're old newspaper service organizations that want to charge for access to their archives. Places like Yahoo news subscribe to their content, then have to take it down after a couple weeks. It's funny that most of what future generations are going to know about 1995 onwards will be from archive.org and sim
mircea_popescu: the "industry standard".
mircea_popescu: "So yesterday, I told paychex the exact amount of money that was in Impact account, and the portion of that Mark and I each earned, and that my main concern was not bouncing a check. Today, they want to deduct $253.50 more from the account than I told them was in it. Â This did not seem to raise any red flags on their end." << keks. "paychex", also still in business. also still doing the same exact thing -- meanwhile it's