asciilifeform: ( the time for ben_vulpes to go there, and maybe do some hunting, is prolly nao or never )
asciilifeform: the rocket nozzle etc. plants , from what i hear, are in full throttle 'termite hollowing' mode as we speak, being sawed apart and carted away by various foreigners for fire sale prices
asciilifeform: for a while they have passable chocolate (roshen corp, having privatized su-era confectionaries) but today even it is inedible, having finally gone full bore soy crapola
asciilifeform: ru remains by and large the ~only trading partner of the ukrs (~nobody else wants any of their shit even for free)
asciilifeform: ( until 2014-present round of ukrwank, there was not particularly large incentive to do said replacement , trade ~worked )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's a great deal of 'inside wank' in re mechanics of urkdom; for instance, a number of sov-era factories, producing e.g. rocketry gear, were stranded on wrong side of the border on independence day; and it took a rather long time to complete (afaik, it's largely complete) the process of replacing their goodies with ru-local production
asciilifeform: observe that lolmart does not hand out food for 100% phree, either
asciilifeform: gotta at least try to recoup cost, neh
asciilifeform: ( it can absorb, apparently, a coupla 100k runaway ukrs per yr, but not 'all of them at once' )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: chiefly that ru doesn't want a full blown syria on its border
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the ukrs get ~phree fuel, for 'reasons'
asciilifeform: ( dutch, for instance, signed up to shoot communists in vietnam. was this necessarily act of a defective 20yo ? )
asciilifeform: ( possibly unlike mircea_popescu , asciilifeform does not believe that dutch was necessarily a defective 20 y.o. )
asciilifeform: it's rather like asking hiroshima surviver to complete in olympiad
asciilifeform: lobbes: i suspect that mircea_popescu nails it, prolly unlikely that anybody will ever overcome the radiation damage from being 70 y.o. and collecting usg pensions
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has lengthy personal history of traveling expensive, painful dead ends, and hence somewhat sympathetic to figures like dutch
asciilifeform: ( to complete the lulzpic earlier -- by the time asciilifeform figured out how to pump in candidate-headers and pump out solved nonce strictly via the intact jtag header , diff was already up in the sky )
asciilifeform: trinque: ( somewhat unsurprisingly, i found that they cut the tracks. bastards knew what they were doing. )
asciilifeform: trinque: in trips down lulzmemorylane, asciilifeform blew a good % of 2011 on halfcocked attempt to get miner going on surplus-usg boards with xilinx fpgas (in varying conditions of mutilation)☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta why i sometimes try and apply the excavator to other folx. but it to date always ended the same uninteresting way, and the most parsimonious hypothesis re why is afaik mircea_popescu's
asciilifeform: well i managed to escape finding mircea_popescu for >1yr ( and even then had to be dug up with excavator ) but possibly i went to wrong kindergarten..
asciilifeform: he certainly knows nao, i left him a few comments, lol
asciilifeform: weren't as recently as yesterday, the thread re btc exchange rates, that we're a fairly small target in fairly large galaxy ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: upstack -- do i misunderstand the model, or is the idea 'troo unbonsaikittened mind , proceeding from cause, will find the republic on own engine power, guaranteed' ?
asciilifeform: trinque: d00d's a christian, as far as i can tell, possibly (or not , i am not equipped to discern) in the danielpbarron style
asciilifeform: this is much higher bar than mastering integrals and building radio.
asciilifeform: chukcha shaman is not lost soul because he wants to communicate over 100km distance, he's a lost soul because he hasn't heard of hertz or maxwell's or at all touched the relevant material
asciilifeform: he's not the 1st, nor last, to admit to wishing for a pre-1993 net
asciilifeform: ( i can name example, but curious re what mircea_popescu has in mind )
asciilifeform: what , in the abstract, does he want, that mircea_popescu finds intrinsically retarded ?
asciilifeform: well he wants , roughly, the effect ( 'get my 1972 academy of sciences again' or the like) but has no possibly correct priors on which to work. hence shaman's radio.
asciilifeform: naggum's 'read only brains' , as valuable when aged as a burnt 2007 debian iso
asciilifeform: however asciilifeform's measured suspicion is that the hypothetical clueful reverser is moar likely to resemble trinque's d00d than a 20 y.o. douchebag .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've found that some septagenarian u.s. academics are moar shaman than smith, do have some measure of native intellect that can be knocked out , potentially, of its inca track
asciilifeform: who knows, maybe guestop is a master burglar , can go and pinch for us that privkey
asciilifeform: lol i mean d00d was able to log in, knows how to set nick!11 must know ~something~..
asciilifeform: guestop: you will probably want to read the chan log, http://btcbase.org/log/ , and make use of the search box, chances are that your q has been answered in the past week
asciilifeform: guestop: who are you , and what brings you to #trilema ?
asciilifeform: 'homo picketfenceicus' or how did mircea_popescu describe these.
asciilifeform: dutch had not 1 but 2 successful, by internal measures, careers in the belly of the inca ( prof. of geology in 20th c usa , and sgt in army ) , manages to combine cult of centrally-administered 'ordnung' and lip service to 'private property' without any apparent mental friction
asciilifeform: e.g. the alchemists, also got quite a few points 'right'.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform is an entomological connoisseur of 'clever fella tries to invent tmsr but fails on account of defective priors' artifacts. it's sorta like watching intelligent shaman try to build radio using voodoo doll action-at-a-distance, what to expect, fella never heard of electric fields , 'work with what i have!' )
asciilifeform: ( tldr -- d00d tries, naturally fails, to invent the republic )
asciilifeform: ( i dun have high hopes for 'word spreadings' but it is conceivable that somebody, somewhere, is 1) qualified to participate 2) will pull head out of arse for long enuff to actually do it )
