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mircea_popescu: otherwise, i think it's sufficiently self-obvious that nobody wants more crappy items. we've enough of those around to last a century. but i also won't sit still while being railroaded into a false choice between crappy items and never items ; if for no other reason then because too many people depend on me being at least slightly smarter than that.
mircea_popescu: originally i was going to just call it off, have it liquidated and so on. because yes eventually it has to come to this, nsa was started on the premise that "here is a talented engineer who evidently has little ability to take direction or manage himself, but which we're construing as due to poor prior context and expect will remedy itself, by itself, in short order".
mircea_popescu: so no, how about we don't discuss the random nonsense some 9yo captive inside stan would in his panicked despair have us rather occupy ourselves with. instead, exactly in trinque's practical terms : what the fuck am i going to do with a s.nsa resting on the clavicle of a grown man with 9yo shoulders!
mircea_popescu: the slowest release schedule in the world and all the rest of the stuff people don't say because they're affraid i might crack them one if they did say it certainly aren't driving anything into anything, rite. because we're playing Alf's Beginner Transaction Psychopathology and it's all explained in there in the inside of the top of the box! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: suffice to point out that evidently enough the whole binome as described is adaptive rather than designed. and it MUST be examined, and it must be repaired, rather than indulging in just as childish deflection. o noes, ~i~ of all people want to drive s.nsa into a wall, fancy that wonder!
mircea_popescu: i don't, for the record, think there's anything even vaguely like malice involved. i think it's simply ambered childishness, which he has managed to preserve unexamined so long into his adult life because he's never before found himself among people intelligent enough to force him to examine it. the signs of this are ubiquitous and i won't belabour,
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784630 << i think this isn't a satisfactory description of the issue for two reasons. one is that the man doesn't have merely very exacting standards, but a binome of which half is exacting standards and the other half is looser than a crack whore's butthole. ☝︎
mod6: However, each man gets to decide if he wants to partake in the Republic. Mr. Popescu always said he would eventually leave. And I respect that. Just wish it wasn't in anger.
hanbot: trinque true. i suppose some things can't be learned without an actual beating, delivered by an actual expert whisk. i don't really know to jam it into the sick skull, i guess. and no harm done, i've always appreciated your directness.
mod6: That we did. And I for one, would love to see Mr. Popescu to come back and be the father to the republic.
trinque: hanbot: I apologize for snapping at you. I think ben_vulpes and mod6 are doing a great thing coming in to try and save the project.
hanbot: mod6 at some point many years ago i had a tracker to keep track of my trackers. hang in there.
mod6: Alright then. It'll be really helpful I think for all of us. I, for one, literally have like 69000 things to keep up with these days.
hanbot: mod6 i think that's a great idea. i dunno about comfort (and i'm not asking for it, nor is it anyone else's to give me), but it'd certainly add some clarity, and keep things accountable.
mod6: hanbot: I can't speak for asciilifeform and make him state things. But, perhaps if we kept a public calendar of what is happening when, might give the public some comfort that tasks are getting completed on time.
mod6: I would like to see asciilifeform and mircea_popescu somehow come back to the table and continue their very important work together.
hanbot: trinque : as in alcoholism, person wanting to quit has to --want to quit--. that's what i'm not seeing.
mod6: Furthermore, I may be the only investor left in S.NSA, and I would very much like to see it continue. ☟︎
mod6: hanbot: i don't expect anyones "blind spots" or "deficiantcies" to go away over night. we'll work with him to make sure things happen they way they need to do so, when they need to do so.
hanbot: mod6 i know the strife is unpleasant, and i admire your drive to right things. but there's an actual extant problem here, which, if merely forgiven, lends nothing to the notion the problem will cease.
mod6: But I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
mod6: After the first "Hey, we're getting FGs for xmas!" And then it didn't come, for like 2 more xmas's... i could have simply negrated him.
mod6: I mean look, here's an example: I waited like nearly 4 years for an FG. But he delivered, and it works. It's a marvel, this FG. I think the fact that we have it, and it works, is more important than how long it took to realize.
mod6: I have too, and I recently read the entire thread on diana_coman's blog too. The whole thing. I know shortcomings have impacted lots of things. He's not the only one guitly of that. And even though I don't excuse anyones failures, I'm going to forgive. We've gained more than we've lost. In my estimation.
hanbot: mod6 indeed. but frankly, i haven't seen him say he would meet deadlines.
trinque: neh this much is true. I tried to pin alf earlier. he oughta reread that conversation.
mod6: Because he said he would. And asciilifeform has done a lot for us over the years. Invaluable things. Dispite, failures. I've failed too, hopefully I'm getting better also.
mod6: I don't think so at all. His role is outlined in the drafted document we posted above.
mod6: I guess I'll also add this: I agree that logging is very important. But lately, in here, emotions have been running high. And while trying to figure out the details, I need to focus and not read through hundreds of lines of cross talk and bickering.
hanbot: aha. bills & addys and similar stuff being private makes sense; why's who would do what private, though? ah, that kind of "space". yes, it satisfies my curiosity, thank you for clarifying. fwiw i'm not sure what can be gained from "space" as such - often what's most uncomfortable is what best leads to recovery and growth. but obviously your choice(s).
mod6: Quite frankly, and I hope BB doesn't mind me saying so, we kinda needed to even talk him into it. I think he was in quite a state of dismay at the whole thing. And I find it appropriate that we did that.
mod6: I wanted to give us some space to find out the details, to discuss everything involved. I for one, even having been in #trilema the entire time, and even having read BB's blog posts about BBISP, I still wanted to give BB the space to discuss with us all the details.
hanbot: trinque i'm not asking to be told anything. i'm asking why there were "discussions" over the course of several days that haven't been made public. this isn't to gripe at anyone, this is an attempt to preserve what's possibly the most useful tool of the republic, i.e. logging.
trinque: I see pointless sniping and nothing further.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 15:22 BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The new management is working out the details for their clean takeover of the remains of BBISP as a new venture. I defer the revelation of details to management.
hanbot: trinque i specifically mean the content of i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784462 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784415 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1784065 ☝︎☝︎☝︎
hanbot: possibly i missed earlier logs?
trinque: I'd say any judgment of how they're doing (at what, a day in?) is premature. ☟︎
hanbot: uld've extended to asciilifeform as well, but after a week + of stubborn refusal to admit wrongdoing or show any signs of work towards avoiding said wrongdoing in the future, i'd be acting ---very irresponsibly--- if i let my admiration of the man and his past work (or my dislike of the discord lately) obfuscate a serious, present, problem. anyway, looking forward to reading the communications, assuming those are still coming. if not, the questio
hanbot: <ben_vulpes> attn all, here's a draft of the new articles of organization for what was BISP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A5yUZ/?raw=true excoriate away << cool, thanks for posting. so: i would very much like to support bbisp/Pizarro, and I think it's great the foundation picked this up. while i think the particulars will likely prove challenging, i would have no problem putting faith, time, etc behind mod6 and ben_vulpes. a few weeks ago, that wo
TomServo: Wish I could help with any current woes, if that's possible lemme know. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i did not break tooth today; but on other hand the city finally showed up to fix the gas leak i reported 3d ago , and they have dug a moat around my car, on sides, to do it...
BingoBoingo: From the story it sounded worse than the picture I sent her looked. I will see if I can get pictures. of the repair. Damned ice cream cones full of dulche de leche with a hard chocolate shell.
BingoBoingo: Well it appears to be a rebreak of an area that broke when I was younger. Had some bonded ceramic patch and a chunk of that still seems attached.
BingoBoingo: So I broke a tooth today. Will get to see how good a dentist la Venezolana is Monday.
asciilifeform: i'ma play in the snow, ben_vulpes , also bbl.
ben_vulpes: i would also like to deposit these funds with a non-involved individual to seal in blood the capitalization of this entity ☟︎
lobbes: right. right. bah okay. I got work to do on my archive-related shit anyway
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784295 << I still think that this assumption, which you seem to be basing your current actions on, is a flawed assumption. But whatever, I'll still tune in to (and try to assist with, if assistance wanted) whatever asciilifeform (and ben_vuples mod6 and co.) produce. A split republic is still better than none as far as my individual fitness is concerned. Just... dumb. ☝︎
lobbes: Dick-pulling aside, it seems there is Schism 2.0 happening (which I think is fucking retarded but okay). Are there going to be two republics now or wat? This goes beyond a mere ISP, hence hard to enumerate the future.
mod6: Stand-by, we're trying to get that communicaiton out now. I'm reading the things.
diana_coman: hence as I said earlier: I'll be waiting patiently for its communications
diana_coman: mod6 I support tmsr isp but atm I am at a loss as to what it is and how to actually support it
mod6: But I'll not sit by and watch a bunch of in-fighting embarrass all the hardwork and effort we've put in. I'd rather burn out, than fade away.
mod6: I'll repeat myself: If you want a republic to exist, and you believe the foundation to be a good thing, support us. I've given seven years. Maybe it's time for someone who knows better than ole mod6.
diana_coman: I for one will certainly wait patiently for the bbisp communications when they come
ben_vulpes: mod6: i've said it before and i'll say it again, your calm under fire is invaluable and i'd be much obliged if you'd stick around.
mod6: <+trinque> I don't think now's the time for that. lest rustled jimmies, not more. << Ok, well let me know if you want to. I'm ready to step down and take my leave of all of this.
asciilifeform: trinque: i must confess that -- nope
trinque: asciilifeform: see how I told you one thing, and you tried to misdirect me with another? or no?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: One thing I've learned people watching here... It turns out boys are the shy gender. ☟︎
diana_coman: mod6, uhm, did I say it was an investment? equity in something is however still some stake in it or do you consider it's not?
trinque: I don't think now's the time for that. lest rustled jimmies, not more.
mod6: trinque: I think you'd be a suitable replacement for me.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i cannot offer anything with which to disagree.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the only way I can follow that is as purely ideal "republic as a notion" etc. perhaps true but not particularly... effective let's say
asciilifeform: trinque: the flavour of 'emo' is unfortunate, but i for instance have an oath to mp that i have not been released from. and is the only reason i am still tuned in. the disposition of snsa after asciilifeform's pending anathemization , is a strictly practical matter, rather than 'pulled dick' thread.
diana_coman: mod6, a stake in something is never "debt only" really the way I see it; honestly, would you offer to take an "iou" while at the same time being totally unwilling to even give advice if asked? ☟︎
trinque: I don't see that at all
mod6: diana_coman: I don't see how a new venture is better off saddled with debt to it's former master. It was to be successful, it needs a fresh start.
shinohai: I admit to have suffered dejection in past couple of days which had me questioning the future of Republic, but honestly, what else is there?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 13:57 mircea_popescu: alternatively, i have no problem taking say 1.5 worth of absolutely senior convertible equity in your continuant venture, however you call it.
diana_coman: fwiw mod6 how do you then square "could not be bothered with" with -> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783243 ;it's one thing to say "I don't want to hold your hand" and another thing to say "I don't want to have anything to do with you" ☝︎
lobbes: diana_coman has it I think; why "split" resources when moar brains = stronger republic
asciilifeform: lobbes: i have enough respect for mircea_popescu to respect his decisions; when he does not want to coauthor with somebody, there is no reason why he oughta have to. and so when he asks for asciilifeform's resignation as snsa cto, i will give it to him.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784451 <- I fail to quite follow this reading of events tbh; and in any case "running it ourselves" does not mean nor does it have to be "in isolation" ☝︎
lobbes: Not just ISP venture, but Republic as a whole. A mind with experience like mircea_popescu's comes along very infrequently. I.e. "resources" in my earlier comment refer to moar than just capital >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784360 ☝︎
mod6: On a personal note, regarding "patience and support", I want to let it be known that it will be very hard if not impossible to make the ISP venture a success without the support of specficially, mircea_popescu, hanbot, diana_coman - and ``Minigame''. We need your business here.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 14:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news i registered #loper-os and #asciilifeform defensively ; whenever you feel like building them up say and i'll pass them along. ☟︎
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu i would like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552625 << these -- back plox. ☝︎
trinque: ben_vulpes: I can comform my shopping to your schedule. When does it need to arrive?
trinque: I am.
mod6: So, we're working on it. And I am seriously discouraged by the line of commentary in here, as opposed to support.
asciilifeform: if you ask the d00d, i fail at moar or less errything, lol
trinque: I don't know, don't like to speak for people either.
asciilifeform: trinque: i enjoyed having mp as a coauthor, making phuctor, FG, various other pieces. but i cannot give the man what he wants, at the rate at which he wants it, this is unfortunate but fact.
trinque: I recall one time I got pissy and tripled down on political strife over nothing.
trinque: I am not tarnishing my reputation by the wallet operating as anything other than a mechanism.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i do not enjoy to overstay my welcome where not wanted. mp and you invited me in 2013 to the party, can just as rightfully uninvite .
asciilifeform: with this in mind : ben_vulpes + mod6 : when you reimburse me this week please do not make use of trinque's walletron. trinque is quite dear to me but it is my current understanding that my trinquewallet will cease to function when i am formally anathemized , and i do not want any coin to become trapped in it.
asciilifeform: hanbot: understand that one of the things i ~like~ about mp, is that he doesn't slide back on things. so hole or no hole , it is what it is.
hanbot: sten. it's not a pretty place, and i have no idea why you'd want to live there.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The new management is working out the details for their clean takeover of the remains of BBISP as a new venture. I defer the revelation of details to management. ☟︎
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 <- o.O ; I hope bbisp makes public soon some clear strategy and reports ☝︎
trinque: otherwise I'd say the guy who spent the most time writing an OS is probably the guy to assess hardware.
trinque: as for submission, in my house truth is the thing submitted to, and it so happens that most of the time I hold it.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:57 asciilifeform: also goddammit why so slow, mircea_popescu , i'm waiting for the 'de-lording' bullet, staying up past bedtime
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:03 trinque: I think shinohai snowflaked himself up his own recently
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784334 <<< This I did, have been running my trb node this way for some time. I do plan on trying your musl recipe, I just needed working os on my daily driver and had to go with what I know at this time. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. this whole "potential subscribers" is easily enough said, but you've apparently created quite a credit crunch for the item. because "well, let's send bbisp a box" "what if they go under ?" "i guess we underwrite some bonds" "but they DONT WANT your bonds!" "um..."